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It's all wrapped up with her father, he was a scientist whose work was stolen, I think, by Department H. The adamantium coating Logan's skeleton was definitely stolen from him and that's why she wanted to kill Logan for so many years, to reclaim what was stolen from her father. I'm sure I'm missing details but that's the important bits off the top of my head.
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the answers to most of those questions is that she's a heavily augmented cyborg with very few fleshy bits remaining.
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rantmo posted:It's all wrapped up with her father, he was a scientist whose work was stolen, I think, by Department H. The adamantium coating Logan's skeleton was definitely stolen from him and that's why she wanted to kill Logan for so many years, to reclaim what was stolen from her father. I'm sure I'm missing details but that's the important bits off the top of my head. oh ok that makes sense. That owns, I like that. It's a shame her character design is dogshit because that's a fantastic motivation
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glitchwraith posted:I think that was Chris Claremont's original plan for them, but for some reason it was never fully implemented despite being hinted for a while. I believe it was eventually brushed aside as the Weapon X project implanting false memories into them to control them. As I recall, there were two reasons, effectively. One is that Claremont is from an era at Marvel that was big into hinting at things without ever explicitly discussing them, which he's talked about in interviews before. Wolverine's actual past was supposed to be one of those "we know, but we're not telling" parts of the universe, like just how badly scarred Doom actually was. In fact, Logan not remembering a lot of his history was a relatively late addition. There's a bit in the original Miller/Claremont Wolverine miniseries where Logan says in his internal monologue that he knows who his father was, but the rest of his family's a mundane sort of mystery. The other was that Byrne and Claremont agreed about flat zero which had to do with Logan. As far as Byrne was concerned, for example, Logan's bones were pure Adamantium and his blood cells regenerated by themselves; Claremont always considered Logan's bones to be heavily reinforced, but not replaced. There was always a fairly substantial risk that the moment Claremont left Marvel, Byrne would kick his way onto the X-Men and "fix" everything, which might've been one of the only upsides of the early '90s Bob Harras talent drain.
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Gripweed posted:oh ok that makes sense. That owns, I like that. It's a shame her character design is dogshit because that's a fantastic motivation The design is very much of its time and more or less in keeping with some of the fancier-looking Reavers--Donald Pierce and Prettyboy in particular--and I've always kind of loved her look because it's both distinctive and completely singular, no matter who the artist is, when she goes into combat mode there's no question who it is.
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Speaking of Wolverine-related characters, does he know that Mariko is alive? At the end of the Old Man Logan series she was watching over his future wife in secret but between Silver Samurai and Gorgon knowing about her I would assume present day Logan would have learned about it.
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rantmo posted:The design is very much of its time and more or less in keeping with some of the fancier-looking Reavers--Donald Pierce and Prettyboy in particular--and I've always kind of loved her look because it's both distinctive and completely singular, no matter who the artist is, when she goes into combat mode there's no question who it is. The combat mode is fine, I just mean her outfit. The little tasseled leather skullcap and the shoulder pads that go all the way down.
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She's had other looks over the years, but that is her iconic look.
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It also should be said Claremont was heavily against giving Wolverine a solo book as he feared it would result in every bit of Wolverines backstory being mined for content which would make Wolverine less intersting. Which turned out to be true, at least sometimes
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rantmo posted:It's all wrapped up with her father, he was a scientist whose work was stolen, I think, by Department H. The adamantium coating Logan's skeleton was definitely stolen from him and that's why she wanted to kill Logan for so many years, to reclaim what was stolen from her father. I'm sure I'm missing details but that's the important bits off the top of my head. Incidentally those same techniques were later used to reinforce (not coat) the bones of Daredevil villain Bullseye
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Incidentally those same techniques were later used to reinforce (not coat) the bones of Daredevil villain Bullseye but Adamantium is toxic. Wolverine can survive with adamantium in his body only because of his mutant healing factor.
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Gripweed posted:but Adamantium is toxic. Wolverine can survive with adamantium in his body only because of his mutant healing factor. Luckily, Bullseye is a comic book character
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Luckily, Bullseye is a comic book character a comic book character who should be dead of heavy metal poisoning
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Eh whatever. They can say that since it's not much it's toxic but it would take decades before it kills him.
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How toxic it is varies a lot. In X-Tinction Agenda when Wolverine gets one of those Genosha collars that takes your powers he got sick right away, like he was going to die within 24 hours. Then when he lost his adamantium his healing went into overdrive and he lost his nose, then, after getting the adamantium back and later losing his powers in Death of Wolverine it doesn't seem to make him sick at all.
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Skwirl posted:How toxic it is varies a lot. In X-Tinction Agenda when Wolverine gets one of those Genosha collars that takes your powers he got sick right away, like he was going to die within 24 hours. Then when he lost his adamantium his healing went into overdrive and he lost his nose, then, after getting the adamantium back and later losing his powers in Death of Wolverine it doesn't seem to make him sick at all. In Death of Wolverine though they explain that it still is extremely toxic and it's just that Beast was able to whip him up some sort of plot-convenient drugs that makes him no longer affected by the adamantium.
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Adamantium's toxicity varies by story; I seem to vaguely recall that the idea when he first started getting sick every time his healing factor was turned off was that since Wolverine's bones are fully coated by adamantium, the metal prevents his bone marrow from, like, doing the poo poo bone marrow is supposed to do (I think it has something to do with white blood cells? I don't know, I'm not a doctor), but the point is, Bullseye has never been shown to have any adverse reactions to the skeletal reinforcement he received. Hell, I don't know, maybe that was part of the puzzle that Lord Dark Wind (Lady Deathstrike's father) figured out that didn't get swiped by the Dept. H scientists or something
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There’s definitely a scene in one of the X-Force books between Logan and Laura where she’s giving him a hard time for healing slower than her because his healing factor is bogged down by dealing with his higher amount of adamantium.
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Completely coating the bone seems like a sucker's move. I have a titanium rod in my leg, just put adamantium rods in all of Wolverine's legs. All ten of them. Normally I'd say 'OK, maybe some kind of skeletal coating is less traumatic' but we're discussing Wolverine.
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Hell yeah, more Ewing/Rodriguez Defenders, let's get weird.
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I'm trying to read Reckoning War. This is probably a mistake, but I have Unlimited so at least I'm not wasting money on a Dan Slott book. Like, seriously. What the ever-loving gently caress is actually going on? Is anyone but the F4 ever going to be in-character? Why is the moon being loving destroyed treated as a throw-away plot point less important (so far, in my read through) than Yet Another Invasion of New York.
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DigitalRaven posted:Why is the moon being loving destroyed treated as a throw-away plot point less important (so far, in my read through) than Yet Another Invasion of New York.
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DigitalRaven posted:I'm trying to read Reckoning War. This is probably a mistake, but I have Unlimited so at least I'm not wasting money on a Dan Slott book. because cyclops lives there and there was no way it wasnt getting undone. ugh, what a terrible story
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Soonmot posted:because cyclops lives there and there was no way it wasnt getting undone. We actually haven't seen the Summers Moon House for a while now, though that may be a coincidence, or tied to Vulcan suddenly losing his poo poo again.
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ugh, really hate that defenders is leaning into that poo poo america chavez retcon e: rodriguez's art still kicks rear end tho site fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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site posted:ugh, really hate that defenders is leaning into that poo poo america chavez retcon What was the retcon?
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America's gay super moms from the super lesbian dimension were a figment of her imagination and she's really just another boring science experiment and she doesn't have her star power anymore
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well that’s just bullshit and I’d expect better from Ewing.
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Zombie Dachshund posted:well that’s just bullshit and I’d expect better from Ewing. they might not have a choice
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It’s kind of impressive to retcon something to be more boring. Retcons tend to make things wackier
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What the gently caress? it was brief but her super lesbian super moms were just in the Dr. Strange sequel.
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her mom's still exist it's just that they are no longer super or from the super lesbian dimension. they're just two scientists who work for a supervillain also yeah i totally assumed the retcon was to make her more in line with the movie but nope
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Yeah, I don't know either. Maybe they just wanted to clarify that she's not an illegal immigrant? That comic series was weird. Really beautiful, though. cant cook creole bream posted:Man, it's a shame that this plot doesn't really work, because the art of that book is really beautiful. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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Also the only reason America Chavez was in the Dr. Strange movie is because she could kick through dimensions, that's gone?
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Skwirl posted:Also the only reason America Chavez was in the Dr. Strange movie is because she could kick through dimensions, that's gone? By the end of that series, she basically had all her powers, but weaker. Like, with lots of effort she managed to make a portal. Honestly, I don't know what the intention there was.
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I imagine the America move was just an effort to not step on another writer's toes, even if that writer is dumb
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No one has been using America in their books and I'm pretty sure no one is trying to use the super lesbian dimension right now tho
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There was a digital Strange Tales comic that featured Chavez, Clea, and Wong as one of those "this exists mainly because of the movie" comics that I'm 90% sure was also written by Ewing. Keep trying to google to confirm that, but for some reason Marvel doesn't show the creative teams for the digital comics. Anyway, it also referenced Chavez' current status quo.
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I get Lady Deathstrike and Spiral confused all the time. I wonder what Spiral is up to.
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I believe the explicit intent of the America retcon was the same intent behind giving her foster parents in the smae minideries: that a character doesn't get to be latina representation i they're an extradimensional alien. which like, I get, but it still sucks.
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