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galagazombie posted:So much of the worlds religious taboos and proscriptions are so very obviously the pet peeve or traumatic memory of the individual writer. Augustine doesn't even pretend it's otherwise
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Desperately hoping question 7 caused schoolyard brawls. poo poo, let's get it started right here and now: Latin can kick rocks.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:poo poo, let's get it started right here and now: Latin can kick rocks. In nomine Martis et Iovis quid mihi modo dicisti?  
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:poo poo, let's get it started right here and now: Latin can kick rocks. Seriously, is there anyone who wouldn't choose to give up Latin? Though in 1902 maybe that's some sort of classist trap 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:In nomine Martis et Iovis quid mihi modo dicisti? man u cannot possibly be using in support of the johnny-come-latelys
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It's a honeypot for Catholics
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Is "both" a permitted answer?
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The Lone Badger posted:Is "both" a permitted answer? Only if you're James Joyce
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:poo poo, let's get it started right here and now: Latin can kick rocks. poo poo, Latin is for n00bs who think 2000 years is a long time. Old Egyptian is where it's at.
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Culture is a funny thing. It's been said that a lot of Romans would speak Greek, enjoy Greek culture, and gladly incorporate Greek religion into theirs, while holding actual Greek people in absolute contempt.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Culture is a funny thing. It's been said that a lot of Americans would speak English, enjoy English culture, and gladly incorporate English religion into theirs, while holding actual English people in absolute contempt.
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As though any student would pick Greek over Latin. I remember reading in the histories of our local university that a persistent problem was that Greek was a mandatory subject, but nobody on the staff actually knew much Greek or cared about remedying the situation so everybody just kinda pretended they were learning / teaching Greek. Granted that was 17th century, but I think some attitudes don't change.
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steinrokkan posted:As though any student would pick Greek over Latin. I remember reading in the histories of our local university that a persistent problem was that Greek was a mandatory subject, but nobody on the staff actually knew much Greek or cared about renewing the situation so everybody just kinda pretended they were learning / teaching Greek. Granted that was 17th century, but I think some attitudes don't change. It's anti-Byzantine discrimination
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steinrokkan posted:As though any student would pick Greek over Latin. I remember reading in the histories of our local university that a persistent problem was that Greek was a mandatory subject, but nobody on the staff actually knew much Greek or cared about remedying the situation so everybody just kinda pretended they were learning / teaching Greek. Granted that was 17th century, but I think some attitudes don't change. My secondary school was like that, despite the fact that the teacher was ethnically Greek herself.
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considering how much Americans slobber over English accents and are incredibly credulous to everything we say for some reason I'm not sure this is true.
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At my undergrad everyone preferred Latin, Greek seemed to frustrate people to no end. I should note I was not one of them, I've never touched either language. I'm mostly impressed & intrigued by how open ended those questions are. "What are you feelings? Defend them." is kind of interesting to me as a type of question, almost more something in therapy than in class. According to the Englishmen I know, anybody who likes English culture doesn't understand English culture. Englishness is to be endured, not enjoyed, if you don't like it there's the door simple as innit. (as an American the parallel that comes more to mind is how many white people interact with African-American culture & African-Americans, where some very very racist people are happy to listen to rap and rock and jazz and such, and of course very famously that most of the players of pro basketball & football are black while the owners of those sports are pretty infamously racist old white jackasses)
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Tulip posted:(as an American the parallel that comes more to mind is how many white people interact with African-American culture & African-Americans, where some very very racist people are happy to listen to rap and rock and jazz and such, and of course very famously that most of the players of pro basketball & football are black while the owners of those sports are pretty infamously racist old white jackasses) Yeah that's the first thing that came to my mind. It's cultural appropriation, but 2000+ years ago.
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edit: oops, wrong thread.
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steinrokkan posted:As though any student would pick Greek over Latin. I remember reading in the histories of our local university that a persistent problem was that Greek was a mandatory subject, but nobody on the staff actually knew much Greek or cared about remedying the situation so everybody just kinda pretended they were learning / teaching Greek. Granted that was 17th century, but I think some attitudes don't change. this explains some things about about opinions
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steinrokkan posted:As though any student would pick Greek over Latin. I remember reading in the histories of our local university that a persistent problem was that Greek was a mandatory subject, but nobody on the staff actually knew much Greek or cared about remedying the situation so everybody just kinda pretended they were learning / teaching Greek. Granted that was 17th century, but I think some attitudes don't change. In my limited experience Greek is definitely harder. Partly just because its harder to memorise stuff in a different alphabet, partly grammar. Actually having a definite article slaps, though.
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feedmegin posted:In my limited experience Greek is definitely harder. Partly just because its harder to memorise stuff in a different alphabet, partly grammar. Actually having a definite article slaps, though. For people in western, central Europe and the Americas, which I suspect is most goons, latin is also a lot closer to our native languages, no? Romance especially, but even in english, there are plenty of words and sentences that parse. To use my beloved Ecce Romani I: quote:Sextus puer molestus est. It's one of the most hilarious sentences at 16. But also, "Sextus is an annoying boy." is pretty easy to get. Or as I might say it irl, "Sextus is a little gremlin, eh?" The grammar gets complicated (except maybe for germans??) but even so, I understand it's still simpler than greek? e:  little fucker proves a useless clown even as his foster brother is mugged in the capital, in the climax of the epic first Ecce Romani saga Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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Best part of Ecce Romani is when the slave tries to escape and they catch him and brutally mutilate and disfigure his face as punishment. Like oh you thought this was going to be a quaint textbook of banal housekeeping events with post enlightenment values like all the other languages? Hell no welcome to 100AD pleb.
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galagazombie posted:Best part of Ecce Romani is when the slave tries to escape and they catch him and brutally mutilate and disfigure his face as punishment. Like oh you thought this was going to be a quaint textbook of banal housekeeping events with post enlightenment values like all the other languages? Hell no welcome to 100AD pleb. That owns  which school level is it intended for? I wish I could read that stuff in ground school.
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Year 8 (first year of high school) for us.
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The Lone Badger posted:Year 8 (first year of high school) for us. i remember reading these graphics, translated into finnish, as a projector series. goddamn, did my latin teacher do an unlicensed translations of this loving storybook? he was pretty badass
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yeah we got it freshman year of high school, so roughly 14/15 years old.
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This is what we had in the Netherlands, for our actual first lesson: I think the books were a generation old already by the time we got them in 1997, when I was twelve years old. Just a year after us, a publisher came out with a new series of books for high schools, so we were the last year to get to know Marcus et Cornelia. In a later lesson there was also an Aemilia and it blew my classmates' minds when I said that Cornelia and Aemilia couldn't possibly be sisters. We didn't really learn Roman naming, so that was something I'd just picked up by myself
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yeah that one was deprecated for us i think, people ten, fifteen years older than me learned about SERPENS IN HORTO
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In high school we used the Oxford Latin Course as our text series. So we got subjected to illustrations like this:
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I admire the simplicity of “what do you know of [X]?” as a question. E: keep Latin drop-kick Greek, we used Cambridge Latin Course and we liked it. Or at least we liked Caecilius and family, except Quintus. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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I would consider it very unfair if "nothing" didn't get full marks
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cheetah7071 posted:I would consider it very unfair if "nothing" didn't get full marks Another good troll would be to write the citation for Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire or similar.
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Beefeater1980 posted:I admire the simplicity of “what do you know of [X]?” as a question. grumio ancillam delectat 
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Whorelord posted:considering how much Americans slobber over English accents and are incredibly credulous to everything we say for some reason I'm not sure this is true. Also they all think we've met the Queen. Yeah, all 67 million of us pop round for tea with Lizzie on Thursday afternoons.
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moonmazed posted:grumio ancillam delectat 
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All you motherfuckers talking about taking Latin in high school are starting to make me think my American public education might not have been as good as Reagan said it was 
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cheetah7071 posted:I would consider it very unfair if "nothing" didn't get full marks How about "I know that I know nothing, and am therefore the wisest of all."
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Magnetic North posted:All you motherfuckers talking about taking Latin in high school are starting to make me think my American public education might not have been as good as Reagan said it was The main advantage that high school Latin learning confers is to allow you to sound  educated by making Latin quips.
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Zopotantor posted:The main advantage that high school Latin learning confers is to allow you to sound Also: being able to learn Spanish or Italian in two months
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