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Herstory Begins Now posted:What are you replying to, that post is about dems opposing republican legislation And you brought up a nebulous lack of "major" Republican legislation to back that up. So i'm returning with the the idea that Republicans being able to butcher Democratic legislation however they want implies that they are not actually being "stonewalled" at all. I will admit it kinda went off-track and become it's own thing though. squirrelzipper posted:Ok how do you motivate voters who believed you when someone blocks what you’re doing? Let me ask you - how do you think the mid-terms are going to go? Do you believe that sometimes politics is about what you say publicly, that can perhaps communicate a vision? How dare squirrelzipper...answer the question they were asked? What? All i've seen is everyone do everything but actually debate their points. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok - answer me this. Why is Manchin Chariman of the Energy senate committee given his position and sinking of the Climate bill? Because all of the senators more senior then him didn't want it.
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Yinlock posted:And you brought up a nebulous lack of "major" Republican legislation to back that up. So i'm returning with the the idea that Republicans being able to butcher Democratic legislation however they want implies that they are not actually being "stonewalled" at all. I will admit it kinda went off-track and become it's own thing though. It's not a nebulous lack, I was asking you to specifically name major pieces of republican legislation from the last decade. The existence of which would disprove the assertion that dems have effectively opposed republican legislation.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's not a nebulous lack, I was asking you to specifically name major pieces of republican legislation from the last decade. The existence of which would disprove the assertion that dems have effectively opposed republican legislation. I cannot, but i'm not sure why I have to. The fact I cannot specifically name major pieces of Republican legislation does not actually prove the assertion that Democrats have "stonewalled" them. That's why I called it nebulous, it doesn't actually do anything except bring an arbitrary criteria into the argument.
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Dems have effectively opposed republican legislative efforts to the extent that republicans do not have major legislative accomplishments in the last decade is the exact opposite of nebulous.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Dems have effectively opposed republican legislative efforts to the extent that republicans do not have major legislative accomplishments in the last decade is the exact opposite of nebulous. Again, that is not proof of your assertion. The thread just got finished establishing that a) Republicans tear poo poo down rather than build, and b) They infight a lot Both of these sufficiently explain why they don't have "major legislative accomplishments". Handouts to the rich, inflated military budgets, and a yearly record-breaking wealth gap are all in order, so in terms of Republican goals things have been running like clockwork.
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Why are republicans able to get things done outside of the legislature then if the reason is that they're divided and infighting? It's telling that their primary methods of effecting anything significant appear to be with executive powers or via the judiciary. SCOTUS in particular you would expect more infighting from than seems to realistically manifest, though there are of course some disagreements, but nothing suggesting the republican members are significantly, consistently divided..
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Dems have been remarkably effective at stonewalling the republicans legislative efforts. How many major pieces of republican legislation from the last 10 years can you even name? Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 - a massive delivery for their donors and perceived as great by their base. Getting 3 supreme court appointments, which many dems rolled over on to cross the aisle for despite the would-be justices blatantly lying under oath. In fact, Trump appointed and the senate confirmed so many judges it shifted the federal judiciary hugely in favor of republican and ideologue control. These are combinations of executive (appointment) and legislative (confirmation) acts. The judiciary is now delivering on Republican goals. Btw, the only thing that stopped the republicans from getting rid of the ACA with nothing to replace it and blowing up nearly a fifth of the economy was John McCain, who was dying of brain cancer and probably wanted to do one good thing in his life before he went. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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This tax cut and jobs act? Gallup: Also who are the many dems who crossed the aisle for scotus confirmations? amy coney barrett was unanimously opposed by dems. kavanaugh was 50-48 with 1 dem voting for him. gorsuch had 3 dems vote for him, but the tally was 54-45, so their votes didn't matter Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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Regardless, if the Dems manage to actually gain a seat in November, manchin needs to lose everything. There’s no functional difference between 50 and 51 dem votes.
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Manchin still has the support of his party because he represents the party's ideology. Reminder that Biden will be the first to tell you he does not support m4a or the green new deal. The fact that Manchin has faced zero consequences is proof that the party has more interest in "sensible comprimise" than supporting anything even remotely progressive. And why would the party do anything different when they already have your vote?
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If they wanted to even some bullshit inside-the-beltway thing like not inviting Manchin to some fancy dinner and catching a news cycle of "Dems BLAST Manchin and BURN him on Twitter what a horrible fate!" could be used to shore up the support of people pissed off at nothing happening. Manchin himself would probably get in on it and love it for the campaigning boost he could milk out of it back home by being the Most Hated Democrat vote for me as senator y'all I'll fight them for you like I have been! Yet.....nothing. Not a single thing. The 'punishment' has been all rewards. Kinda seems like he may not actually be fighting against what the rest of the party wants.
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there is something funny in Joe Biden picking his every move for forty years with the goal of becoming president, and then spending his entire presidency eating poo poo at the hands of his ideological clone if only Joe Biden had any prior experience with why a right wing dem in the pocket of his state's biggest industry was a fundamentally useless creature to rely on! no way to see this coming, I guess
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The House passed their version, but the Senate version is almost certain to die. This will be the first on the record vote for marijuana legalization in the Senate, though. Wyden, Schumer, and Booker spent a year trying to customize it to address everyone's objections, so this is probably the version that has the chance the of getting the most votes and any Senator who votes "No" is likely going to be impossible to get on board in the future. https://twitter.com/JarrellTDillard/status/1550058004153880576 Edit: Biden has Covid. https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1550124299167547395
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Biden has covid. Welcome to the kamalaverse
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lord, you denied us Trump dying of covid, I am just saying, you owe us one (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:lord, you denied us Trump dying of covid, I am just saying, you owe us one probably would give anti-vaxxers fuel as well.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:lord, you denied us Trump dying of covid, I am just saying, you owe us one gently caress off with this bullshit.
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I didn't realize yeowch wanted president Harris.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Biden has covid. Does Biden have covid, cancer, or both?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I didn't realize yeowch wanted president Harris. I mean at worst it's kind of a lateral move, right?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Does Biden have covid, cancer, or both? Just Covid right now. He had skin cancer that was removed and an aneurism in the late 80's.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just Covid right now. TWO aneurysms in the late '80s actually.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I mean at worst it's kind of a lateral move, right? It's probably better that the first woman president is Biden's bland liberal VP than Trump's frothing reactionary VP.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I didn't realize yeowch wanted president Harris. It's a real monkey's paw situation, to be sure.
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Everyone paying attention should have already learned the difference between a caucus of 49 and 50 when Breyer retired.
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Biden said he had cancer yesterday, who are we to gainsay him (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It's probably better that the first woman president is Biden's bland liberal VP than Trump's frothing reactionary VP. For all of Pence's many, MANY faults, could you just imagine if the timeline were a year or two later and MTG or Boebert were known enough to be on Trump's radar when he was shopping for a VP? At least Pence put up token resistance to Trump's Coup plan (he's still a horrible monster and I hope this comes off as damning with faint praise)
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shucks, sure would suck if an old rapist succumbed to being ancient with illnesses (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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World Famous W posted:shucks, sure would suck if an old rapist succumbed to being ancient with illnesses to repeat, it'd be hosed up karmically for it to kill the old rapist who was vaccinated but not the one who wasn't, who is also supremely unhealthy otherwise.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's not a nebulous lack, I was asking you to specifically name major pieces of republican legislation from the last decade. The existence of which would disprove the assertion that dems have effectively opposed republican legislation. Tax cuts and jobs act for one Edit: lol nevermind someone else gave the same example and you moved the goalposts because you never defined what you consider "major" in the first place. Herstory Begins Now posted:amy coney barrett was unanimously opposed by dems. kavanaugh was 50-48 with 1 dem voting for him. gorsuch had 3 dems vote for him, but the tally was 54-45, so their votes didn't matter Very successful stonewalling by the Dems as all of those justices strip away rights In truth, Trump was far more successful at derailing the Republican plans than the Dems were. Trump routinely blew up deals with tweetstorms whenever he'd get mad about something and just torpedo the entire thing by getting his voters rallied against it. I'm pretty sure even McCain killing their Obamacare repeal at the last second was the result of Trump attacking him for months at that point HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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mrchoupon posted:When I worked for the local school district IT department there was a separate union for support staff. We were distinct from the teachers but still part of the NEA. At least in the area I'm from, it was something that wasn't even presented as an option, so I'm glad to know I'm wrong on this at least for some places in the country. When I worked school district IT, myself and several other people got laid off when it came time to recontract and the administration explicitly blamed the teachers union holding out for too much money - trying to drive a wedge between the teachers and everyone else. It just seemed like a scummy tactic from the Admin to layoff your IT, cooks, and maintenance staff as a way to punish the teachers. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I didn't realize yeowch wanted president Harris. do you not? imagine another incoherent speech bookended by weird laughter every day, it's fantastic as long as the president's not going to do poo poo, they might as well entertain us
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HonorableTB posted:Tax cuts and jobs act for one I didn't object to it being called major, I questioned the claim of it's popularity. Passing a single major bill in 10 years doesn't make much of a case that the republican legislative agenda isn't being effectively opposed. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:do you not? imagine another incoherent speech bookended by weird laughter every day, it's fantastic in my ideal world we would never have another entertaining president ever again
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This tax cut and jobs act? Gallup: Randalor posted:For all of Pence's many, MANY faults, could you just imagine if the timeline were a year or two later and MTG or Boebert were known enough to be on Trump's radar when he was shopping for a VP? At least Pence put up token resistance to Trump's Coup plan (he's still a horrible monster and I hope this comes off as damning with faint praise) Wasn't there a story about Reince Priebus stranding Trump's plan on a tarmac until he agreed to pick Pence? I swear I remember that story but I can't find anything about it now.
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Following up on their recent marriage equality legislation, the House just passed the Right to Contraception Act. All House Democrats and 8 House Republicans supported Americans right to contraception/birth control. https://twitter.com/BillPascrell/status/1550146164217061377 No doubt all those R's that voted "Nay" have a good explanation for their decision. All the luck to them in fitting that explanation into a sound byte while they're getting drilled with "Republicans don't think you should be allowed to buy condoms", over and over in their midterm races. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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DeathSandwich posted:At least in the area I'm from, it was something that wasn't even presented as an option, so I'm glad to know I'm wrong on this at least for some places in the country. Gross. That’s a common tactic unfortunately even when both groups are unionized, but thankfully no one bites around here and it usually ends up with both unions collaborating on picketing/protests/etc. The district I work in has a “if teachers get a raise, so does CSEA” clause in the CSEA contract which I think is great, makes sure we’re not totally leaving them in the dust although they still don’t get paid enough imo
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-Blackadder- posted:Following up on their recent marriage equality legislation, the House just passed the Right to Contraception Act. It's weird seeing dems forcing republicans to actually vote on stuff
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-Blackadder- posted:Following up on their recent marriage equality legislation, the House just passed the Right to Contraception Act. I have a general rule of thumb, where if something makes the Republicans look cartoonishly evil or if there's some news I would really want to be true (or conversely would be horrified if it were true), then I should be skeptical and investigate further. Following that rule, I looked into this. No, there's no added context or explanation needed, there's no poison pill to point to and go "yeah but the Democrats also stuck this other unrelated thing into the bill to force Republicans to vote against it for the headline", no its pretty clean. The Feds forbid states from ever banning any of the commonly used forms of birth control, and a ton of Republicans vote no. The best they can come up with is that the bill is unnecessary. OK, so what, loving vote for it anyway you tool. Rigel fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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