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its funny that its where grok comes from. lots of people say grok these days
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Sounds like maybe Charlie Manson was a new type?
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mark immune posted:you do not under any circumstances "gotta hand it to" heinlein
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that book sucks lol
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The only Heinlein book I’ve read is Starship Troopers and I’m forever glad that when Paul Verhoeven made it into a film he made fun of it in the most gratuitous fashion
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the only heinlein i've read is the two page All You Zombies because i enjoyed the movie Predestination (everyone should watch Predestination without any knowledge about it, it owns)
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Apologies if this has been discussed in the thread before but I've just reached the part in the Devil's Chessboard about Lee Harvey Oswald and, wellquote:Dr. Renatus Hartogs, a German-trained physician who was chief psychiatrist at Youth House, found the intelligent and free-floating Oswald to be such an interesting case that he made the thirteen-year-old the subject of one of his seminars. Hartogs’s psychiatric profile of Oswald—which he would reprise for the Warren Commission a decade later—created the pathological framework by which the alleged assassin would be known for many years to come. Oswald, according to Hartogs, was an “emotionally disturbed, mentally constricted youngster” who was “suspicious and defiant in his attitude toward authority.” While a probation officer had found Lee to be a “small, bright and likable boy” with a reasonable explanation for his truancy—he thought school was “a waste of time” and “the other children made fun of him because of his Texas drawl and his blue jeans”—Hartogs saw Oswald as a walking time bomb. The only reason he had not “acted upon his hostility in an aggressive or destructive fashion” was that he had not yet “developed the courage.” Hartogs himself was a curious case, one of those intrepid explorers of the human mind who—with government encouragement and funding—had been willing to go to the scientific fringes. His résumé included a stint at Montreal’s Allan Memorial Institute, where Dr. Ewen Cameron conducted his diabolical “Sleep Room” experiments. Hartogs went on to work with Dr. Sidney Malitz of the New York State Psychiatric Institute, which received funding from the Army Chemical Corps and the CIA to conduct drug experiments on unsuspecting patients involving LSD and mescaline. Later, after Hartogs was drummed out of psychiatry by a sensational sex scandal, he turned himself into a hypnosis expert. Now I'm just waiting for Jolly West to show up lol
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Gosh it sure is a good thing MKUltra was useless and they never did succeed in their goals to create brainwashed assassins Otherwise this Oswald guy could've done some real damage!
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scary ghost dog posted:its funny that its where grok comes from. lots of people say grok these days Rob Grokowski
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I went to school a block from the Allen and even in grade 6-7 we knew some bad poo poo had gone down there with MKUltra but it still gets me everytime I read about it somewhere else.
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I know someone's who's aunt got her brain fried in the MKULTRA experiments at McGill. EDit: I feel like Québec is an untapped vein in conspiracy circles, some wild poo poo went down here. MonsieurChoc has issued a correction as of 16:20 on Jul 22, 2022 |
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Isn't there a Heinlein book where a bunch of people switch their consciences into different bodies, then they all gently caress on the moon?
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MonsieurChoc posted:I know someone's who's aunt got her brain fried in the MKULTRA experiments at McGill. do not google Ant Hill Gang
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multistability posted:Apologies if this has been discussed in the thread before but I've just reached the part in the Devil's Chessboard about Lee Harvey Oswald and, well MonsieurChoc posted:EDit: I feel like Québec is an untapped vein in conspiracy circles, some wild poo poo went down here.   link Another fun Montreal fact is that Peter Dale Scott thinks he may have been semi-involved in one of the MKUltra experiments. He's also apparently from Westmount lol rich neighbourhood where noted luminaries Leonard Cohen, Mordecai Richler and, uh, Kamala Harris, spent a bunch of time, which explains his inability to shed that last bit of anti-communism he has
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Kamala went to Westmount high but lived in Ville Emard if memory serves.
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List of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson episodes (1967) 1228 July 31, 1967 Vice President Hubert Humphrey, psychiatrist and author Dr. Renatus Hartogs
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My partner endearingly refers to Jolly West as Jolly Rogers
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This is good on Sleep Room experiments https://youtu.be/TKLy1ALj3Pc
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papa horny michael posted:Dr. Renatus Hartogs Doctor Renatus Hartogs --> angst duo orchestrator
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papa horny michael posted:List of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson episodes (1967) 
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https://twitter.com/PNACpod/status/1550563914441687040 https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1354979487524540417 https://twitter.com/PNACpod/status/1550623686935384066
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I feel like at this point it's not even speculation that (at minimum) elements of the Saudi government knew what was happening, would that explain the stock trading
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hell it could have been bin laden himself
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Shear Modulus posted:hell it could have been bin laden himself George W. Bush and Salem bin Laden (brother of Osama) set up Arbusto Energy in Texas in 1977 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy
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scary ghost dog posted:its funny that its where grok comes from. lots of people say grok these days i've only heard it but heard it a lot from people talking about knowing how to use the text editor vi improved and assumed it was a word they made up to make themselves sound smarter for being able to use vim
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BasicLich posted:George W. Bush and Salem bin Laden (brother of Osama) set up Arbusto Energy in Texas in 1977 lmao
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In praise of conspiracy theory, by Silvia Federici  
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imagining someone already posted this here but it is driving me insane https://twitter.com/mddeh/status/1550144268588797959?s=21&t=xeEq32cRbL1I5J97nKHCgw
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maxwellhill posted:This is good on Sleep Room experiments prob one of the most slept on scientists implicated in this military research is Donald Hebb, in part because he is gigantically famous as a father of neuroplasticity (he invented the phrase “use it or lose it” as applied to neural connections formed through a process now called Hebbian plasticity). thread favourite Alfred McCoy wrote a book called a question of torture where he traces a line from Cameron and Hebb’s work (as well as work by John zubek in Manitoba and John lily) on sensory deprivation to modern forms of torture, which unsurprisingly include a lot of sensory deprivation. Zubek, imo, feels like a willing idiot and edited a text on human sensory deprivation research that I have a copy of. I can upload some pics later today of my favourite section where he lists off all the active research groups at the time, including multiple military institutions, without thinking anything nefarious about it
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I'm stupid because of course it's online. Anyways, here's a couple pages brimming with internet search holes for a rainy day. The story arc of #6 is chef's kiss. In addition to Zubek, who presents it here unquestioningly, I think a lot of scientists, potentially including Hebb, were completely oblivious or blinded by rampant careerism. Though Zubek blatantly not mentioning Ewen Cameron in the section on Alan Memorial is a knowing omission.    
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I finished Chaos. Wtf is on the Tex Eatson tapes!?
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Hebb!!! Please clap Edit: the very first entry already nails it - all this poo poo goes back to accounts of "communist brainwashing" and the US trying to develop their own gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 17:08 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Hebb!!! there’s an article that was published by a lifelong Hebb loving neuroscientist (who helped see Hebb’s book republished and also co-wrote a biography of him) who said McCoy was confused and that Hebb’s work was all about boredom
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MonsieurChoc posted:I finished Chaos. Wtf is on the Tex Eatson tapes!? We might find out in 15 or 20 years
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bedpan posted:We might find out in 15 or 20 years lol if you think those tapes aren't accidentally stored next to a 5 pound magnet for some reason
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