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DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.
In our job we've been using Foxit PhantomPDF and it's worked great for us. Granted they are trying to move to a SaaS model too, but you can still buy perpetual licensing*.

Edit - for now at least you can still buy perpetual.

DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jul 22, 2022

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Counterpoint: Adobe's model is actually loving fantastic if you dabble in a lot of things because you have access to everything. Yes, if I just needed Photoshop and didn't care about having the most recent version, I could save a lot of money. But occasionally I need InDesign and Illustrator and Premiere and Acrobat and all that crap; I absolutely could not justify buying any of them, but I get them as a nice perk, and everything's always the most recent version, and I get access to a bunch of premium webfonts, etc., etc.

Based on what I can charge though access to those things, I don't feel it's a ripoff at all. And if you aren't making money off it, frankly, pirate it. I don't give a poo poo and Adobe probably doesn't give a poo poo at the end of the day. Their primary concern is professionals, and they've made it actually quite accessible to access a full array of professional-level tools, continuously updated and supported across multiple platforms, for not an exceptional amount of money.

You need to pay money for nice things. That's why I use ForeFlight and not FltPlanGo.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I just wish they weren't dicks about SAML integration, making it an enterprise-tier-only feature

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
If I remember right, Quark could barely even open and convert older versions of their own files past one version of the software. and those loving license keys were a tremendous hassle. Again, the whole idea of this page layout software is to make things easier, more simple and make you more productive at work but, gently caress me, every time any of them released a new "better" version of their poo poo it just introduced a slew of new unanticipated problems that you had to work around somehow.

And typically it was the users and people posting on message boards who had to figure that poo poo out.

And like kefkafloyd said, a lot of the work in these shops are exact repeats where a customer just needs more of the brochures he ordered last time or a business card with a new name on it. Except not so fast because the color shifts and this isn't compatible with that and that font got hosed up or some frustrating bullshit while your production manager is screaming at you about deadlines and (rightfully) doesn't understand why we can't just RIP and output the exact same loving job we've been printing for 7 years running because the plate maker doesn't understand the new transparency engine, the job crashes when you print it or whatever the hell.

I'm out of the industry now too except for freelance poo poo and now work at a casino.

It was a good move.

Everything introduced in the printing industry was all centered around making things easier, faster and more streamlined but that line of work is more brutal than ever, the profit margines are lower than they've ever been and you're expected to know SO MUCH MORE for increasingly less pay. The workers are basically the beta testers for whatever Adobe decides people want.

Adobe is like the EA of creative software.

E

PT6A posted:

Counterpoint: Adobe's model is actually loving fantastic

Counterpoint: Some months I don't generate enough freelance work to offset the subscription cost and others I might break even if I do a one off job.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 22, 2022

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

eXXon posted:



These aren't the smart sunglasses that overheat, so uh... is this an AI generated bundle? And no, there's not even a discount compared to buying the items separately.

The sunglasses that overheat were the Facebook ones made by Ray-Ban

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

BiggerBoat posted:

I'm out of the industry now too except for freelance poo poo and now work at a casino.

It was a good move.


I’m also out of the biz now too. Last year I left to join another software company in a completely different vertical with some of my former colleagues. I still miss it, but it took the pandemic to make me realize I had to make a change. But the graphics industry had been my entire career for 22 years, and it was hard to say goodbye.

I would have loved to work for Enfocus or Callas, but the latter is in Europe and the former never had any openings.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
I’m curious, could these kinds of changes in printing files over time result in content accidentally getting printed on a different page like there was a rogue column/page break in between?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
yes

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

BiggerBoat posted:

Counterpoint: Some months I don't generate enough freelance work to offset the subscription cost and others I might break even if I do a one off job.

I mean, obviously it depends. But being able to say "yes, of course I have pro-level video editing tools, I can get this done for you!" just once has paid for a few months of subscription to the part I use regularly. I think it's pretty cool that I have access to pretty much whatever the gently caress I want for no additional cost. I can see why a lot of people *don't* like that aspect, but it's pretty great for me. I've used basically everything at least once, and there's no way I could justify that cost if I had to buy everything individually.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

https://twitter.com/lostinhist0ry/status/1550420291452809223

I've never had enough money to buy a fancy expensive fridge but am I wrong in thinking that a lot of these features are just lost to time / cost minimisation?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


If you take what a fridge cost in the 50s and calculate the inflation then you're looking at 4 grand. If you spend that sort of money on a fridge you get back a lot of the features. Things like a vegetable box that clips into the door have been replaced by people buying pre-packed veg.

https://www.siemens-home.bsh-group....essoriesOthers/

Capt.Whorebags
Jan 10, 2005

That refrigerator probably uses more electricity than an aluminium smelter and if the refrigerant gas leaks everyone in the house dies.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
Yeah, the features showcased in that video are very much a part of modern fridges, they just look different. That's a big fridge, but they have lots of big fridges now too. The door still has the butter shelf, and the bottle section has expanded. The veggie tray has been moved to the main fridge, and is often paired with a fruit tray - both removable. The other shelving also often has rollers, and is made out of clear plastic for visibility. The freezer is generally expanded on modern American fridges, and automatic ice makers have generally replaced ice boxes. However, one big feature that new fridges have is that their greatly improved efficiency means they save you more than $300 a year in energy to run.

https://www.energystar.gov/products/appliances/refrigerators/flip-your-fridge

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Also modern fridges don't eat the ozone layer for breakfast.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
What's with all these fridges I see with the water spout inside the fridge? Dumb as hell

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Harold Fjord posted:

What's with all these fridges I see with the water spout inside the fridge? Dumb as hell

The thru-door spout can have reliability issues such as breakage, mold, or leaks, due to the mechanical nature of it. Putting the faucet inside the door makes it less prone to fault, and much cheaper to repair. I think some folks also don't like the look of the water spout. Obviously the big drawbacks are the lack of convenience and the temperature loss from opening the door to fill your water (generally balanced by the improved efficiency of not having a hole in your door).

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Harold Fjord posted:

What's with all these fridges I see with the water spout inside the fridge? Dumb as hell

Kitchenaid did/does that and it's super dumb. Just gonna stand here with the door open while I fill this glass with water........

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Water spot with the ice machine balances the hole problem with being in the side that is less susceptible to minor fluctuations

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Old rear end toasters are still better than today's.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Detective No. 27 posted:

Old rear end toasters are still better than today's.

I see someone watches Technology Connections.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

:hmmyes:

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
most people don't have a choice in their refrigerator, either you rent and you don't haul a refrigerator around from place to place or you're a homeowner and you start to have a choice. i bought my house seven years ago and we're still using the fridge the last owners left behind, so i'll be well into middle age by the time this thing craps out and i've got to buy a new one

so most people are using the cheap baseline refrigerators that already exist in their housing unit, which if you were renting a cheap apartment in 1955 or whenever that video was made, you'd have a crappy, small fridge that would definitely release toxic gases if it broke

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
My experience with refrigerators and modern appliances in general is that they tend to break fairly quickly. Like 5 years in. I've gone through a stove, a dishwasher and a fridge that I had repaired 2 or 3 times before it just finally poo poo the bed entirely. The dishwasher was maybe about 7 or 8 years old I think and it a computer board that broke that they don't even make anymore. CPU board on the stove also went out and it would have cost me almost as much to fix as just getting a new one.

I've been replacing these things with ones that have as little computer poo poo as possible.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Senor Tron posted:

I see someone watches Technology Connections.

Why am I such a sucker for this guy's videos. I'll watch a 40 minute diatribe about heat pumps, and be nodding in agreement the whole time. It is something about his dry humor.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jul 23, 2022

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

His videos have a cozy 90s PBS vibe to them.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


I watched 15m of him talking about phone ringers and was weirdly fascinated

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

TACD posted:

https://twitter.com/lostinhist0ry/status/1550420291452809223

I've never had enough money to buy a fancy expensive fridge but am I wrong in thinking that a lot of these features are just lost to time / cost minimisation?

I wasn't able to find a sales brochure from this specific model, but a seemingly-comparable fridge from Sears that was available the same year cost $290, or over $3100 today.


The only features I saw that a modern fridge might lack are things like the removable veggie organizer, where it's taking up space for a feature that not everyone would use, and could be easily replicated with cheap organizers from a store.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Well at least I learned good fridges with nice features are still around if I ever save up enough to get one.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Our problem with any appliance tends to be that we own a smallish condo. On our last fridge the door couldn’t open all the way because it hit the dishwasher. It was a struggle to find a fridge that fit in our space that wasn’t a budget piece of junk. It’s a symptom of the general McMansion trend in the states that anything nice is loving huge. Because we live relatively modestly compared to our income I have money to spend on this kind of thing but the market isn’t there overall I guess for what we need.

I ended up finding a Chinese brand that had French doors for the fridge above two somewhat shallow freezer drawers. It has no features other than keeping things cold which ended up being all we really wanted anyways. The drawers just suck for keeping ice trays anywhere and there’s no ice maker so we just have learned to live without ice cubes.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

TACD posted:

Well at least I learned good fridges with nice features are still around if I ever save up enough to get one.

Even the expensive ones break stupidly easy. Samsungs have notorious ice maker overflows and failures. LGs have compressor issues. KitchenAid is stupid expensive and puts the water dispenser inside which is a deal breaker for many.

I just want a French door fridge with an external water dispenser that doesn't suck or doesn't cost 4K

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

TACD posted:

https://twitter.com/lostinhist0ry/status/1550420291452809223

I've never had enough money to buy a fancy expensive fridge but am I wrong in thinking that a lot of these features are just lost to time / cost minimisation?

Like Kaal said, modern fridges still have those features, just rearranged a bit. You just haven't ever seen a video of a modern fridge salesman trying to sell those features to you.

And the rearrangement is often for good reasons. That in-door veggie organizer sounds convenient, and probably looks great in a showroom where sales reps have carefully packed it for maximum attractiveness, but its size, shape, and position seem rather impractical compared to the removable veggie drawer found in basically every fridge today. Modern fridges tend to be designed for a more flexible use of space, with things like adjustable shelf positions or swappable fruit/vegetable bins.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
https://twitter.com/babyjocko/status/1550528003851296768?s=20&t=Th-x0Ah9-FiU9OvAMyKPSw

This reply is kinda hilarious though cause of that whole list the only 2 important new features are better energy efficiency and frost free. All the rest are either luxury extras most people live without, like water dispenser (personals I never had it) or completely useless (wi-fi?)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I do not ever want to have to do software updates on a fridge

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Thanks Ants posted:

I do not ever want to have to do software updates on a fridge

Suck it, Jin Yang

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
So I move around alot and most of the features she's describing are present in most refrigerators:
The slide shelves are the biggest one you don't see but they're there. Usually it's a slide drawer, and the nicer friges don't slide but instead have brackets that basically let you dictate the size and shape of the interior.
I think only the cheapest models didn't have a little butter flap thing in the door.

Others have already pointed out why the folding veggie tray isn't a good idea.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Thanks Ants posted:

I do not ever want to have to do software updates on a fridge

What, you don't need it talking to you, monitoring it from your phone and a display screen with pictures of milk and butter on it?

I suppose you want it to simply keep your food cold and last longer than 4 years because you don't want to work?

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
since technology connects was mentioned, my radical idea is that we should all change from upright fridges to chest fridges which are basically a solved engineering problem and are extrmely unlikely to get infect by the techbro curse of "smart_____"

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

PhazonLink posted:

since technology connects was mentioned, my radical idea is that we should all change from upright fridges to chest fridges which are basically a solved engineering problem and are extrmely unlikely to get infect by the techbro curse of "smart_____"

Its pretty common in Europe to have a chest freezer in a utility room or somewhere as well as normal fridge/freezer in the kitchen if you've got a decent sized family. Can just throw all the frozen food in there that you don't need immediately, bulky stuff like pizzas etc. It seems a lot more practical than having a giant American fridge/freezer taking up half the kitchen with the much smaller floorspaces here.

karthun
Nov 16, 2006

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Blut posted:

Its pretty common in Europe to have a chest freezer in a utility room or somewhere as well as normal fridge/freezer in the kitchen if you've got a decent sized family. Can just throw all the frozen food in there that you don't need immediately, bulky stuff like pizzas etc. It seems a lot more practical than having a giant American fridge/freezer taking up half the kitchen with the much smaller floorspaces here.

It's pretty common to have a deep freezer in the us too. I grew up with one in my bedroom after my mom divorced my biodad and we lived in a small two bedroom apartment.

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Chest freezers go in the garage and store meat.

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