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BigPaddy posted:It has been BoB for like a decade with people having to click participation links so that there are stats about which corps are turning up to ops which is used to judge who is active enough to remain in GSF. To be fair, that was for the pubbies. I don't remember (TrueTM) goons ever being required to click paps.
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SHISHKABOB posted:To be fair, that was for the pubbies. I don't remember (TrueTM) goons ever being required to click paps. I mean, I still did because I liked flying spaceships and shooting other people even though all I had to do was log into jabber, mumble and contribute to a zor chain once a month
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Potato Salad posted:Dude, beat by beat you've got this wrong, and not even in a marginal way. You are way off the mark here, and it's unusual for you. There were plenty of people broadly smearing all of GSF. For example: Potato Salad posted:Groomswarm Federation: Drop Corp Now
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SHISHKABOB posted:To be fair, that was for the pubbies. I don't remember (TrueTM) goons ever being required to click paps. And according to the recent fireside is now going to be rolled out to GEWNS as well, along with ending further SA-based recruitment to focus on EVE-based recruitment.
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Dalael posted:In this post I will attempt to demonstrate why not punishing the killers of emperor Caligula 2000 years ago directly lead to the housting of The Mittani and furthermore... [Ocean pisses off Caligula]...[]......[]......[]......[]......[]......[]...[Mittani steps down. He doesn't play the piano.]
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Jul 23, 2022 19:26
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The FC collects the pap, so you might fill your pap quota by accident if you just like flying around space and exploding stuff.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:28
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learnincurve posted:Goonswarm just told me I didn't understand it's sense of humour. my 2nd stint playing bad game eve online, i had come back and heard whispers that gsf was a kinder, gentler place that didn’t tolerate racism, sexism, etc. anymore. this would’ve been around the time deklein was lost and we were in saranen before the move to delve. i remember in one of the first mainfleet pings i joined, someone on comms mentioned she had gotten lost or missed a fleet warp or something and asked how to catch up. immediately several people started making women can’t drive jokes. she kinda laughed along, but that poo poo continued for several minutes with more people coming out of the woodwork with jokes on the subject of  i asked them to knock it off because even if the woman they were directing it at didn’t mind, there were probably others who did mind but weren’t comfortable speaking up. i got called a white knight, told to chill because it’s just a joke bro, and to go back to reddit. i don’t remember the names or corps, but wouldn’t be at all surprised if that last comment came from someone in karmafleet since they made up like 2/3rds of every mainfleet at the time. anyway that’s my story about “goons” revealing i didn’t understand their culture. i quit not too long after the move to delve and before the last big war, but i am not surprised to hear that the curtain finally got pulled back and org leadership turned out to be a mirror of mainfleet comms all along.
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DARPA posted:There were plenty of people broadly smearing all of GSF. For example: See my post about complicity, which you appear to be embracing enthusiastically.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:36
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Regardless of whether you agree with me or not, remaining in GSF past this point is a conscious decision. At minimum, it's a demonstration of apathy or willingness to mentally "find the block button" for everything that has come forward. At worst, it's a statement of approval or solidarity with pedophilia or unrestrained religious extremism.
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I’d be hilarious if kartoon came back right now and handed the goonfleet Corp keys to goosefleet
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Jul 23, 2022 19:45
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hailthefish posted:And according to the recent fireside is now going to be rolled out to GEWNS as well I don’t think anything that concrete was proposed, and if waffe participation keeps steady (which is admittedly a big if), it wouldn’t matter anyway, because waffe participation has historically been good enough to avoid sanction even without its favored child status.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:46
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This is the latest Waffe info.quote:Goonwaffe Corp Changes
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Potato Salad posted:Regardless of whether you agree with me or not, remaining in GSF past this point is a conscious decision. At minimum, it's a demonstration of apathy or willingness to mentally "find the block button" for everything that has come forward. At worst, it's a statement of approval or solidarity with pedophilia or unrestrained religious extremism. Or it just takes a long time to move a decade's worth of stuff out of Delve.
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It's also worth pointing out yet again that any "the institution is too important to fail" posting is talking about weighing their conscious choice to apathetically turn a blind eye to all that has happened--and will trivially continue to happen--in a video game community. That's the "important institution" they're weighing against their personal moral code. Edit: It also implies that "the institution" will fail without you, which no lol it won't. There's plenty of fresh blood and soil in EvE to keep GSF rolling. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Potato Salad posted:Regardless of whether you agree with me or not, remaining in GSF past this point is a conscious decision. At minimum, it's a demonstration of apathy or willingness to mentally "find the block button" for everything that has come forward. At worst, it's a statement of approval or solidarity with pedophilia or unrestrained religious extremism. it's also a whole can of "FYGM" e: obviously this isn't applicable to the people quietly fleeing.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:53
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Feliday Melody posted:This is the latest Waffe info. We don't loving care
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Feliday Melody posted:This is the latest Waffe info. I think it's funny that they are removing the "bad smilies" now and not.... idk at some point in the past.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:58
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:We don't loving care Do not take this out on me.
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Potato Salad posted:It's also worth pointing out yet again that any "the institution is too important to call" posting is talking about weighing their conscious choice to apathetically turn a blind eye to all that has happened--and will trivially continue to happen--in a video game community. Cannot  this enough, remember that all of this is being excused for specifically because people want sov, the worst system in EVE by a longshot. There's a reason all the people leaving are going to WH/NPC null, the main unique thing sov null has is supercaps, which nobody enjoy flying as it is
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Goonwaffe forums had one guy desperately fighting to have the worst of the smilies removed over at least a year to general apathy.
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SHISHKABOB posted:I think it's funny that they are removing the "bad smilies" now and not.... idk at some point in the past. I also saw a fair share of the worst smilies I've seen in my life on Goonfleet. That I'm pretty sure didn't come from here.
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Bad Purchase posted:i asked them to knock it off because even if the woman they were directing it at didn’t mind, there were probably others who did mind but weren’t comfortable speaking up. The secret technique to dealing with goons and sundry other internet dorks that I figured out over 15 years ago is this: Gentle public rebukes do not work. If you want behaviors to stop you have to bully them into submission because "I'm making a dumb joke and people are laughing so obviously the person complaining is wrong" is all they're going to get out of that.
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Jul 23, 2022 20:00
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:We don't loving care I think it's interesting. It's not like letting people know what's going on in Goonfleet is gonna make them suddenly want to join it.
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I'm taking any bets that they'll purge  or  and the like. Purging the text of white nationalism in place of purging white nationalists themselves is an old, ooooooold "See, we're trying, honest" playbook.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:The secret technique to dealing with goons and sundry other internet dorks that I figured out over 15 years ago is this: Gentle public rebukes do not work. If you want behaviors to stop you have to bully them into submission because "I'm making a dumb joke and people are laughing so obviously the person complaining is wrong" is all they're going to get out of that. yeah, at the time i read the room and figured if i made too big of a stink the FC would've broadcast me and told everyone to press F1. but looking back, that would've made it a better story.
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The richest part of it is that they're going to flail at things like the wiki or smilies for a bit but leave BBTB and whoever that "I messed up with edgy transphobic stuff, so you all owe me apologies" yxzidew or what's-his-name in the alliance. They'll never ban their Lowtax and his most insidious enablers. FruitNYogurtParfait posted:The secret technique to dealing with goons and sundry other internet dorks that I figured out over 15 years ago is this: Gentle public rebukes do not work. If you want behaviors to stop you have to bully them into submission because "I'm making a dumb joke and people are laughing so obviously the person complaining is wrong" is all they're going to get out of that. Consistently applying pressure also sucks the self-congratulatory fun out of the situation. Being a killjoy works. Not that it'll work now that the circlejerk of armored wagons will be tighter than ever before. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Feliday Melody posted:Do not take this out on me. Well stop posting updates then! It's quite easy when you think about it!
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Well stop posting updates then! It's quite easy when you think about it! I will keep posting information as long as people keep speculating on that information. Kindly, just block me if you do not want to read it.
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this poo poo always felt more straightforward when it was Manfred or Vince underwriting the worst poo poo in Eve online. GSF leadership sold itself as the adults in the room, and I loving fell for it
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SHISHKABOB posted:To be fair, that was for the pubbies. I don't remember (TrueTM) goons ever being required to click paps. That was, indeed, one of the privileges of being a member of The Party back in the day. Hell, I remember a speech from Mittens back then about how the entire purpose of the Imperial apparatus was to allow the ordinary Goon (meaning SA posters and people with cultural ties to the forums community outside of EVE) to live the high life in spaceships while being the dumbest, laziest, most useless motherfuckers imaginable. You were still encouraged to click the paps for the fleets you participated in because performance was comparative, and every recorded sortie by a Waffe member got us one step closer to kicking Raging Ducks.
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Lol at the "True Goons" who wouldn't last 10 days un-permabanned on SA in 2022. I suppose there's a few "I'm socially stuck in 1855" containment zones where they would get by well enough.
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Feliday Melody posted:I will keep posting information as long as people keep speculating on that information. Kindly, just block me if you do not want to read it. Keep posting some of us want to roast our marshmallows using the dumpster fire.
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Feliday Melody posted:I will keep posting information as long as people keep speculating on that information. Kindly, just block me if you do not want to read it. Or just not post it here, on a comedy forum that has no affiliation to the Groomwaffe or Groomswarm any more. That's actually loving easier
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I personally don't feel there's anything to be gained by running off the GSF people still posting in this thread as long as they're not posting full on harassment/pedo defenses, but I do find myself wondering why they're making the effort when so far the messaging from above has been pretty plain that the coalition no longer views the entire SA forum community as worth having a corp even notionally affiliated with (like MRCHI and the PA forums). And it is somewhat concerning where the lines have been drawn on what is and is not acceptable in the name of warm bodies in fleet.
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Potato Salad posted:"ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU WEREN'T POLITE ENOUGH, ABOUT THE PEDOPHILE SHELTERING WOUNDED-BIRD-AMBER-HEARD-BITCH-SHOOTING QUEERBASHERS IGNORING SEXUAL HARASSMENT" Quoting for posterity. Remember that you DO NOT owe abusers or abuse enablers respect, ever. gently caress groomswarm.
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Potato Salad posted:Consistently applying pressure also sucks the self-congratulatory fun out of the situation. Being a killjoy works. repeatedly going "other people might not like that" makes people mad at you and not the people being jackasses. Being polite might get you some thank you pms from likeminded people but nothing actually changes that way without critical mass Directly yelling at someone to knock it off and calling them a stupid piece of poo poo to their face makes them weaker and undercuts their attempts at playing to their crowd and is much more likely to cause immediate speaking up.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Or just not post it here, on a comedy forum that has no affiliation to the Groomwaffe or Groomswarm any more. That's actually loving easier a) Just because TheAdj says so doesn't mean it's true. There's years of history that can't be erased by fiat, and even if modern Waffe really is a pubbie corp it's still riding our legacy. b) This is a general EVE thread, and political upheaval in one of the game's largest power blocs would certainly be relevant discussion even if it had no direct connection to us.
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Feliday Melody posted:Do not take this out on me. Ignore Shane, he's just going to keep on endlessly angryposting at you and anyone else he gets mad at. It's his tic.
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Voyager I posted:
AMEN!!!
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Potato Salad posted:I'm taking any bets that they'll purge The next time anyone says posters in this thread aren't just tossing baseless accusations around and tarring all their imagined enemies with crazy poo poo, link the quoted post. It's just raving.
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