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the open world version loot should all be tradeable and usable at level 1 where the instanced version has a level requirement and maybe character bound
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They should just get rid of raiding
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Jul 9, 2022 18:45
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30.5 Days posted:They should just get rid of raiding Good god yes.
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Jul 9, 2022 18:55
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retpocileh posted:Hmm, so what happens at the zoneline, do all the mobs just disappear from your screen? Can you still hit them from across the zone line? Can you like just run back and forth over it causing them to yo-yo? When you drag a mob and get to a maximum distance from its spawn location or to a zone line, the mob goes invulnerable and walks back to its spawn before resetting. I don’t think it’s hard, and you could have diagetic zone markers like cave exits or bridges or cliffs or whatever.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:21
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Subjunctive posted:When you drag a mob and get to a maximum distance from its spawn location or to a zone line, the mob goes invulnerable and walks back to its spawn before resetting. I don’t think it’s hard, and you could have diagetic zone markers like cave exits or bridges or cliffs or whatever. That's very different from how EQ ZLs work. This would basically mean no trains.
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Jul 10, 2022 01:08
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retpocileh posted:The open world version is harder, drops better versions of loot (Legendary Helmet of Bullshit instead of Helmet of Bullshit), doesn't have those easy mechanics, and is subject to all the competitive poopsocking and nerdrage that P99 raiding consists of for those who want it. Seems like a terrible idea. If the hard stuff is open world only, access to it will be controlled by the most toxic part of the playerbase. That turns off the majority of players capable of doing the hard stuff, because it turns out most people enjoy hard content more than they enjoy poopsocking or being total assholes.
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Jul 10, 2022 02:10
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retpocileh posted:Hmm, so what happens at the zoneline, do all the mobs just disappear from your screen? Can you still hit them from across the zone line? Can you like just run back and forth over it causing them to yo-yo? I don't know the specifics, but what I do know is that their intention is to make it so that it has as much depth as the EQ training mechanic had. I assume they break leash and run back to where they spawned.
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Jul 10, 2022 03:39
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They could just drop the player who crossed the line from their aggro list & the player can't deal damage to aggro them again for 5-10s. That's basically what happens already. TBH if the EQ client was more intelligent in how it loaded maps you'd already have a problem with people treating the zone line like a free FD
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Jul 10, 2022 05:07
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cmdrk posted:Or, the open world version drops the "True" version of the loot, with no functional stat changes but Everyone Knows It's Better. That'll be enough. Yes, give the items a different color shade (ie green colored robe is blue for the open world one or whatever) and people will want to do both. Maybe add a very small chance for a pet or toy or whatever to the final boss in the open world version if you really want to add something special. Even if you don't and they are completely identical, if the loot / lock out timer is different between instanced and open world the hardcore raiders would do both anyway.
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Jul 10, 2022 13:24
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DaitoX posted:Yes, give the items a different color shade (ie green colored robe is blue for the open world one or whatever) and people will want to do both. We could just automate this and call it "Find Raiders" button or some poo poo
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30.5 Days posted:They should just get rid of raiding And do what instead? Genuinely curious. I like raids personally but I’ve only ever done them when there’s a gentleman’s agreement on raid rotations between guilds. Getting a bunch of people organized and doing some big bads is fun. I’d nope out pretty quick if it was batphone first to engage bullshit tho
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cmdrk posted:And do what instead? Genuinely curious. Just leveling. DDO has some endgame activities, but it mainly runs off remorting like old MUDs. It's not the most popular MMO in the world but it pays its bills & if you're going for retro MMOs it's probably a reasonable point of comparison.
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DaitoX posted:Yes, give the items a different color shade (ie green colored robe is blue for the open world one or whatever) and people will want to do both. Just have it be open world until a group clears it and then it's not there anymore but now there's an instance to redo it.
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lol https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2022/july/ quote:Today, it is our pleasure to announce that we have secured another $2.4 million USD from private investments to help us continue this incredible, community-building project. Added to the funds raised in earlier stages of Series A funding, our total investment capital raised to date, is now $5.34 million.
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That is not enough money to ever finish this game. It's dead.
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Maybe Curt Schilling can save it.
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So they've now raised more than the original EQ cost to develop in today's dollars lol
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Groovelord Neato posted:So they've now raised more than the original EQ cost to develop in today's dollars lol i mean mmos are wildly more expensive to make than they were in the 90s
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Jul 22, 2022 01:19
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Especially WoW-chasing tab target MMOs
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I said come in! posted:That is not enough money to ever finish this game. It's dead. yeah it’s just funny to me that somebody just wasted a couple million dollars for the team to screw around for another couple of years
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Jul 22, 2022 02:59
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This game is going to get released and it's going to own. I've never been wrong about this kind of thing before.
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Node posted:This game is going to get released and it's going to own. I've never been wrong about this kind of thing before. I've preordered New World AND Tabula Rasa!
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I miss the wildstar thread, those were some good dumpster fire MMO threads. The era of vapor ware MMO kickstarters is much less exciting than laughing at horrible releases. All that said, lmao more funding to make this unity engine ESO wannabe limp on for another year.
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I miss Wildstar, that game was nuts. Leveling up characters was fun, but the end game was really bad, and by the time the devs fixed it and made raiding accessible, it was too late, everyone quit.
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I loved Wildstar's combat but found the questing to be dull as dirt so I think I got to level 30 in the Beta and lost interest because I knew the endgame was going to be even less fun thanks to that batshit loving insane attunement
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FrostyPox posted:I loved Wildstar's combat All the skill shots in addition with the requirement to connect to US/EU made it playing outside those countries pretty much unplayable. I'll never understand the choice to have ping reliant combat and then not give players a way to get a reasonable ping.
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I wish we could see how far they got with EQNext.
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LuckyCat posted:I wish we could see how far they got with EQNext. I have always been curious about that too before it got canceled. I kinda feel like the next obvious stage to take EverQuest would be a mobile MMORPG, but at this point I think that will never happen. EverQuest 1 & 2 are ran by a pretty small team now that seem to just want to focus on cranking out content for that for the few whales and players left playing it.
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LuckyCat posted:I wish we could see how far they got with EQNext. my heart hopes that someone will leak a half-finished build but my pessimism expects they didn't make anything that we didn't see in the carefully designed teasers I said come in! posted:I have always been curious about that too before it got canceled. I kinda feel like the next obvious stage to take EverQuest would be a mobile MMORPG, but at this point I think that will never happen. EverQuest 1 & 2 are ran by a pretty small team now that seem to just want to focus on cranking out content for that for the few whales and players left playing it. i'm pretty sure the eq1 devs are trying to find the sweet-spot for tuning where content is doable by multiboxers but still too hard for the average players so they can gently persuade people to buy kronos (tradeable subscription time, can be transferred across servers) to pay for carries through content, at least on live servers. i don't know what the monetization scheme is for progression servers but i assume much of the cashflow from those comes from xp potions
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As someone playing on the latest TLP I’ve been spending all of my subscription-granted DB currency for mana potions and our static leveling group uses XP potions for catching people up who missed sessions etc. For me since I play casually, the stuff I get from a sub is enough. If I were pumping quarters into the game I’d probably just box instead. But yeah, I dunno. I’m cool with most of the monetization in EQ. The stat potions seem less effective than just having a class around who can give you the equivalent bit more powerful buff. And I like pet illusions  As far as EQNext goes, I’ve read stuff from developers saying they couldn’t make pathing work with the voxel engine which was a huge problem and was a big factor in killing the game. Meanwhile Dave Georgeson claims they could’ve shipped it absolutely no question.
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LuckyCat posted:I wish we could see how far they got with EQNext. Same, I was pretty pumped for it. I doubt there’s much to see though 
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Maybe we’ll see an EQ3 some day. Darkpaw Games seems pretty active with EQ1 (idk about EQ2). Also, they should revive a vanguard server.
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LuckyCat posted:Maybe we’ll see an EQ3 some day. Darkpaw Games seems pretty active with EQ1 (idk about EQ2). Also, they should revive a vanguard server. gently caress EQ3, they should just bring back Vanguard. The game just needs more quests, and faster leveling. There are dungeons that are empty and need to be filled out with quests and enemies. Players discovered there is at least one dungeon, that is absolutely massive, but it's completely empty.
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There is also https://vgoemulator.net/index.php but I don't know what the status is and how far along in development it is. Its been worked on since 2014, but to my knowledge its not very active. Hoping someone can fill me in who has been able to keep up to date.
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I said come in! posted:gently caress EQ3, they should just bring back Vanguard. The game just needs more quests, and faster leveling. There are dungeons that are empty and need to be filled out with quests and enemies. Players discovered there is at least one dungeon, that is absolutely massive, but it's completely empty. That's completely bizarre. Imagine how much longer it takes to do design, art, and construction for an entire level than to fill it with enemies, and imagine how mismanaged a project would have to be for one thing but not the other to happen.
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I said come in! posted:There is also https://vgoemulator.net/index.php but I don't know what the status is and how far along in development it is. Its been worked on since 2014, but to my knowledge its not very active. Hoping someone can fill me in who has been able to keep up to date. A buddy logged in a couple of months ago and there were 4 people playing.
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LuckyCat posted:A buddy logged in a couple of months ago and there were 4 people playing. Awesome! They’re back to pre-shutdown pop.
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LuckyCat posted:A buddy logged in a couple of months ago and there were 4 people playing. They're like, 5% of the way done. It'll be a long time before we see real numbers, assuming the project even completes. Which would make me happy, I just don't see it happening. Vanguard was great. It had terrible technological and management problems, but it was still a great game. Visionary Realms should just scrap Pantheon and buy the Vanguard IP from Daybreak. They already have a basic game ready, it just needs polishing on the content and performance side.
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