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Silly Burrito posted:He has already switched to OAN anyway. Probably not a winning strategy: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/one-america-news-network-verizon-cable-tv-trump/
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The Murdochs have been mad at Trump before. The question is how long they stay mad at him before they go crawling back to Daddy. Because they always go back to Trump.
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I think at this point it is far more likely they board the DeSantis train, and perhaps there’s backdoor negotiations about Trump getting a pardon if DeSantis wins. Provided of course that Trump is a good boy, and doesn’t try to poo poo up DeSantis’ campaign. Which Trump’s ego probably can’t allow him to do. He simply cannot handle irrelevance.
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MrMojok posted:I think at this point it is far more likely they board the DeSantis train, and perhaps there’s backdoor negotiations about Trump getting a pardon if DeSantis wins. Lmao that Trump would negotiate anything. He's the idiot king, it's not in him to back down. The gop is going to face another "back trump or fracture the party forever" decision and, like has been said, they always go back to Trump. He's playing a game of chicken and believes 100% he's invincible.
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DeSantis is absolutely as evil, but not as embarrassing. (From the Murdoch POV.)
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Barreft posted:You seem like a really good person, so I'm curious why you're asking forgiveness from a random person on a dying message board simply because you stated your opinion? You almost sound worried to upset them? Apologies for putting words in your mouth, you just seemed to completely back down and crumple from your opinion even though you're as right as anyone else here. I guess because whenever I feel like I've angered someone or upset them, my first inclination is to figure out why and attempt to explain myself instead of just immediately writing them off. I try to seek out clarity when I communicate and attempt to understand the ways by which not everyone views things the way I do. Or I'm just a big pussy pushover who apologizes all the time whenever someone gets bent out of shape. Maybe both. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jul 24, 2022 |
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Every republican thinks they can be the king. It's part of the belief system. They're just all cowards and waiting for the first knives to enter him before they commit.
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dont forget though murdoch preferred jeb, marco rubio, etc in 2015 pretty much up until his win in the primary was inevitable. im just saying desantismentum might be premature
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BiggerBoat posted:I guess because whenever I feel like I've angered someone or upset them, my first inclination is to figure out why and attempt to explain myself instead of just immediately writing them off. I try to seek out clarity when I communicate and attempt to understand the ways by which not everyone views things the way I do. it's probably the first one, don't feel bad
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Arsenic Lupin posted:We've been discussing whether the Jan 6 commission hearings are having any effect. The Murdochs have been in the tank for DeSantis since last year, with Fox News literally collaborating with DeSantis' media people and the major GOP donors have been making a bee line from Trump to DeSantis over the last few months. The establishment GOP's position has already been on record for a while now. The problem is despite their full court press DeSantis still trails Trump by ~10 points in most polls. Everyone on both sides talks about DeSantis like he's Serpentor to Trump's Cobra Commander, but that remains to be seen. DeSantis didn't actually win his race by all that much and he's completely untested on the national stage. The Jan 6 committee has been doing real damage, Trumps numbers are creeping downward, especially after this last hearing, and DeSantis is closing the gap, but they're not there yet. At this point the GOP establishment is probably hoping DOJ does them a favor and indicts Trump, but even if that does eventually happen, it's unlikely to happen before Trump declares. A Trump/DeSantis ticket would be a dream team, but ETTD so that's all downside from DeSantis' perspective. The entire establishment's knives are out for Trump, but he's been there before and swatted them away like flies. To be clear no man is invincible, anyone can get it at any time. Every untouchable king was untouchable right up until they weren't, but Trump is like Joe Pesci's character from Casino, it doesn't matter what you beat him with, he's going to keep coming back until you put him down completely. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 24, 2022 |
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Scipiotik posted:Every republican thinks they can be the king. It's part of the belief system. They're just all cowards and waiting for the first knives to enter him before they commit. But up until now each one has blinked and chickened out when facing a party-ending split. They always cave. Except trump, because gently caress the gop, they're a means to an end. So since everybody else won't actually destroy the party by refusing to cave, trump will win his takeover of their party until it ends.
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I feel pretty confident saying that whether the GOP nominee is Trump or DeSantis that republican voters will back either one and, in all likelihood, either can beat Biden. Republicans will happily vote for either one of those assholes. There's very little doubt in my mind. I wish there were.
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Discendo Vox posted:a) Maggie Haberman is an opinion columnist. CNN et. al. are as culpable as FOX for Trump’s primary win because their dependence on clicks and viewership had them giving Donnie the bulk of their election coverage.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:We've been discussing whether the Jan 6 commission hearings are having any effect. I’m sure we’ll see this reflected in FOX programming. Right?
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BiggerBoat posted:I feel pretty confident saying that whether the GOP nominee is Trump or DeSantis that republican voters will back either one and, in all likelihood, either can beat Biden. Republicans will happily vote for either one of those assholes. There's very little doubt in my mind. You don't think Trump throws a coup sized fit when he loses the primary and completely implode on the party? If he can't win nobody can.
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BiggerBoat posted:Or I'm just a big pussy pushover who apologizes all the time whenever someone gets bent out of shape. You were doing a thing all people do. Here’s the larger thing going on. It’s a common thing everyone does to conflate one instance of a category with the entirety of the category. It’s a thing our brains do. So Maggie Haberman is a specific instance, all media the larger category. Brain goes Maggie Haberman = all media. Now specific folks are doing this on purpose to make this happen more. This is to undermine public participation and faith in these myths eg media, government, etc. Unfortunately there are also real and good reasons to lose faith right now in a lot of those. Many of the people doing it on purpose are basically trying to make fascists. So backing down for thinking about it in a harmful way when that is pointed out is good.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:You don't think Trump throws a coup sized fit when he loses the primary and completely implode on the party? If he can't win nobody can. The silver lining of Trump becoming the nominee is that he'll almost certainly have to destroy Desantis to get there
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2024 Maximum  timeline:- Both Trump and DeSantis run in an increasingly ridiculous and heated primary where they tear each other apart, but DeSantis just edges out Trump for the win - Trump runs third party, is told he can't do that, runs anyway because since when does that matter to him, and burns it all down - The conservative portion of the Supreme Court all go to Applebees but make the mistake of letting Kavenaugh drive or something.
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The thing about the WSJ and the Post is they have readership that is not exclusively conservatives The WSJ obviously serves financial elites, and the Post finds a lot of working class niches, having a very strong education beat for example--which they wield how you would expect. I don't think looking at the Post or the WSJ turning on Trump means much. It serves their more moderate readership while also feeding them anti-trans and pro-cop propaganda.
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Scipiotik posted:Every republican thinks they can be the king. It's part of the belief system. They're just all cowards and waiting for the first knives to enter him before they commit. This is incidentally how they’re all responding to the idea of secession. They all want to form the CSA again but they all want someone else to take that first step, because they know deep down they’ll get yeeted real quick.
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VideoGameVet posted:CNN et. al. are as culpable as FOX for Trump’s primary win because their dependence on clicks and viewership had them giving Donnie the bulk of their election coverage. I don't think Trump voters care about CNNs coverage
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Fart Amplifier posted:I don't think Trump voters care about CNNs coverage Trump won 2016 partly on the back of people who thought he was more moderate than Clinton, and part of that was non RWM sources credulously running with "Trump says he'll have a universal health care plan!" or ignoring "Trump outright says he plans to drop more bombs and kill more civilians than Obama." On top of that, when CNN and the like were light on Trump, it normalized him so that Trumpists could say "Geez, even commie CNN says you're being alarmist about how dangerous he is" and not even need to do any doublethink over it because it was true.
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Killer robot posted:Trump won 2016 partly on the back of people who thought he was more moderate than Clinton, and part of that was non RWM sources credulously running with "Trump says he'll have a universal health care plan!" or ignoring "Trump outright says he plans to drop more bombs and kill more civilians than Obama." On top of that, when CNN and the like were light on Trump, it normalized him so that Trumpists could say "Geez, even commie CNN says you're being alarmist about how dangerous he is" and not even need to do any doublethink over it because it was true. loving MSNBC did more to normalize Trump to people than basically anyone else in the media did. Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski did a call in with him every loving morning from Escalator Day to just about after when he secured the Republican nomination and then he turned around and threw the both of them under the bus because they went "Well yeah, but..." to him in one interview and they crossed the loyalty terminator in his grievance-scaled goobrain. But before that, they'd chat him up like he was an old friend, inquire raptly about his latest hot takes, laugh at all the horrifying things he'd say that were clearly just jokes (they were, in fact, not jokes), and made him seem palatable to the types of people who would wake up in the morning and flip on MSNBC to listen to whatever the gently caress Joe goddamn he probably murdered an intern in his office back when he was a congressman Scarborough had to say about anything. Again though, it just goes to show that even the most obsequious of sycophants will still never be enough for Trump and he'll betray them all in the end. Sadly though, he has an everflowing spring of new ones lining up to replace the traitors all the time.
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Jimmy Fallon: not only obnoxiously unfunny, but also enabling normalisation of Donald Trump for some easy yucks.
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BigglesSWE posted:Jimmy Fallon: not only obnoxiously unfunny, but also enabling normalisation of Donald Trump for some easy yucks. 
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Tiny Timbs posted:It’s hard to take any solace in a shift towards putting everything behind a Desantis run DeSantis scares me more than Trump does. He's every bit as evil, but actually competent.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:DeSantis scares me more than Trump does. He's every bit as evil, but actually competent. It's this, for me. I'm terrified at the idea of white-knuckling it through another four years of Trump, but DeSantis a) is much more competent and b) would almost certainly get two terms.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:DeSantis scares me more than Trump does. He's every bit as evil, but actually competent. Yes. When we enter into full on fascism, you want to keep it dysfunctional and accurate it’s collapse and Trump has shown to be remarkably bad at running a country. Practically speaking.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:DeSantis scares me more than Trump does. He's every bit as evil, but actually competent.
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InsertPotPun posted:mmmmeh. you need a cult of personality to get trump numbers, desantis isn't going to gather a trump cult of personality because he's a grumpy dickhead who isn't entertaining in the least. chuds need trump's "humor" to hide behind, "it's just a joke, bro" is a gigantic part of the chud playbook and trump, being objectively funny either on purpose or by accident, is a lot of what makes him bulletproof. they used to refer to nixon as "charming" and "funny" too despite the fact that he was a bitter old toad who took pleasure in other people's pain....hey that sounds like trump! Pretty much my feel too. Desantis is more the post-Trump edition of Scott Walker or something than he is the next Trump, pushing the new buttons of the Republican party. Can he win elections? Maybe? Will he do damage if he wins? Certainly. But he's not a "Trump but competent" or showing any signs of becoming one.
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They may have found some of the missing texts messages from Jan 6. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/secret-service-investigators-text-messages/index.html CNN posted:Secret Service investigators were scrutinizing the phones of 10 Secret Service personnel that contained metadata showing text messages were sent and received around January 6, 2021, but were not retained, two sources told CNN.
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InsertPotPun posted:mmmmeh. you need a cult of personality to get trump numbers, desantis isn't going to gather a trump cult of personality because he's a grumpy dickhead who isn't entertaining in the least. chuds need trump's "humor" to hide behind, "it's just a joke, bro" is a gigantic part of the chud playbook and trump, being objectively funny either on purpose or by accident, is a lot of what makes him bulletproof. they used to refer to nixon as "charming" and "funny" too despite the fact that he was a bitter old toad who took pleasure in other people's pain....hey that sounds like trump! Yeah, the media didn’t gut JEB! on Twitter/the debate stage, Trump did. The real question is going to be going into the 24 primaries is if Twitter will reverse course when Trump declares his candidacy. They’ve said his suspension was indefinite but well I don’t trust Twitter one bit. Him getting back on their would suck a lot of wind out of the sails of his competitors.
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Bellmaker posted:Yeah, the media didn’t gut JEB! on Twitter/the debate stage, Trump did. "He doesn't need Twitter. He's on Truth! That's where all the cool kids are going now!" He'd totally go back to Twitter given the chance.
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InsertPotPun posted:mmmmeh. you need a cult of personality to get trump numbers, desantis isn't going to gather a trump cult of personality because he's a grumpy dickhead who isn't entertaining in the least. chuds need trump's "humor" to hide behind, "it's just a joke, bro" is a gigantic part of the chud playbook and trump, being objectively funny either on purpose or by accident, is a lot of what makes him bulletproof. they used to refer to nixon as "charming" and "funny" too despite the fact that he was a bitter old toad who took pleasure in other people's pain....hey that sounds like trump! As someone who lives in Florida in a red district, I can say with 100% certainty that this is entirely untrue. The CHUDS here absolutely loving worship the guy. The Flea Market and Bumper Sticker litmus tests totally register as positive and fanatical for Ron. Maybe not to the Golden Calf/Cult Leader levels of Trump but more than significant. And we've also seen time and time again that Republicans have short memories and will move on the next factory built conservabot politician up and comer with remarkable speed when it comes election time; more than capable of turning on their own or forgetting about them when they have to (Palin, Ryan, Pence, Romney, Cheyney, GWB, McCain). Trump could find himself on that pile. If, for whatever reason, it's not Trump in 2024, GOP voters will absolutely rally around DeSantis and turn out for him, especially against the shambling corpse of Joe Biden - who not even Democrats can loving stand or want back. Also, right away, DeSantis takes FL out of the equation as a possible swing state, but that already seems to have happened anyway so it might not matter. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jul 24, 2022 |
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But do Floridians actually watch him speak or just read about him in the news? Dude sounds like a huge dweeb, hard to imagine him having much presence in a national election. Definitely no way he could pull off a Trump style rally, dude doesn't have the personality or energy.
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BiggerBoat posted:As someone who lives in Florida in a red district, I can say with 100% certainty that this is entirely untrue. This is a better litmus test than a lot of people realize. What's fascinating is that here in Texas there's still a ton of Trump poo poo at these places but nothing for Abbott. We'll see if that actually matters in November one way or the other. I'm not a Florida native and have only a passing knowledge of the 2022 Gubernatorial election. I'm assuming he's going to be reelected because Dems are lovely at coming out for midterms. But let's take that to 2024 when Dems are slightly less lovely about voting. Is that gap in voter passion enough to shift Florida from Red to Blue? Are there enough anti-DeSantis people in the state to create a shift?
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He really is just the most unfunny, gormless motherfucker. How he got a TV show is beyond me.
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volts5000 posted:They may have found some of the missing texts messages from Jan 6. quote:Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the Secret Service, told CNN the agency conducted an eight-hour search Thursday of various internal message systems to try to determine if the January 16 request was sent to the Secret Service. No record of that letter ever reached the Secret Service, he said. Leadership at dozens of federal agencies can look forward to getting blasted with congressional emails going forward, since DHS leadership can't be hosed to make sure document preservation notices get distributed
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/politics/liz-cheney-donald-trump-january-6-cnntv/index.html January 6 committee could subpoena Ginni Thomas The committee investigating the events surrounding the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol will “contemplate a subpoena” for Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, if she does not voluntarily meet with the committee over her role in advocating to overturn the 2020 election results, the committee’s co-chair said Sunday. Rep. Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican who serves as the vice chair of the committee, told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” on Sunday that the committee is speaking with Thomas’ counsel. “We certainly hope that she will agree to come in voluntarily, but the committee is fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena if she does not. I hope it doesn’t get to that. I hope she will come in voluntarily,” Cheney said. “So it’s very important for us to speak with her and as I said, I hope she will agree to do so voluntarily but I’m sure we will contemplate a subpoena if she won’t.” The committee has asked Thomas, a conservative activist, to meet with the panel and provide documents that could be relevant to the investigation. The committee has email correspondence between Thomas and former President Donald Trump’s election attorney John Eastman, as well as texts between her and Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. The texts show Thomas urging Meadows to continue the fight to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Eastman and Meadows have also been subjects of the committee’s investigation. A lawyer for Thomas said in a letter to the House select committee last month that he “does not believe there is currently a sufficient basis to speak with” Thomas.
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