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Mandrel posted:yeah it looks like from overhead that complex probably looks like the maze symbol I like that they can do things like that now that don't have to make any in universe sense because it can just be chalked up to Haleores being crazy.
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Wonder what the deal is with the Delores copy. Maybe she's using the base Delores code and trying to let her come to sentience in a peaceful way? Effectively giving her the good "childhood" that she never had?
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Gonz posted:Goddamnit, now I remembered Into The Badlands again and am upset (again) that it got cancelled. What a fun show that was. Never finished the last season. Did it have a decent ending at least?
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Never finished the last season. Did it have a decent ending at least? It did. A bit of a cliffhanger, too. The reintroduction of guns back into the world.
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Jul 22, 2022 05:53
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The weird looking ornamental building they feature at the end of the episode is a real art piece that had to be closed down because people kept jumping off it to commit suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vessel_(structure)
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Entropic posted:The weird looking ornamental building they feature at the end of the episode is a real art piece that had to be closed down because people kept jumping off it to commit suicide. A $200m staircase to nowhere. It is not high enough to be this marvelous place to take in the view, but it is deceptively high when you are standing at the bottom, and I’ve seen so many people freak out when their fear of heights kicks in as your approach the top. The lack of any significant barricades around this surprisingly high structures both contributes to people’s fear of heights and makes it really easy to jump off if you are suicidal.
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Also I have no god damned idea what is going on this season. I thought Tessa Thompson was a Delores instance, why does she seem to be a completely separate character? Aren't the William hosts also supposed to be Deloreses? Why do they act like William and not like Delores at all? Are they doing separate timelines bullshit again? I barely care at this point?
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Just one timeline. All the Caleb/Maeve stuff was actually Dolores running final tests on the Caleb-bot to make sure he was an accurate copy of the original she killed 23 years ago. As for the Hale-bot, she's the Wyatt version of Dolores who actually came to love her fake family last season and then had them murdered in front of her. So, now she just wants to burn the loving world. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Entropic posted:The weird looking ornamental building they feature at the end of the episode is a real art piece that had to be closed down because people kept jumping off it to commit suicide. Hudson Yards is already a rich future dystopia and the High Line is already a bougie simulacrum of what a park should be; it fits marvelously.
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Entropic posted:Also I have no god damned idea what is going on this season. I thought Tessa Thompson was a Delores instance, why does she seem to be a completely separate character? Aren't the William hosts also supposed to be Deloreses? Why do they act like William and not like Delores at all? Are they doing separate timelines bullshit again? I barely care at this point? william hosts are custom copies of the william personality controlled by halores, established in the last scene of season 3 halores is a hosed up copy of dolores, explored throughout season 3. she has difficulty from the very beginning, explicitly says she can't separate hale from her dolores personality, selfharms a bunch, falls in love with her kid and ex-husband (who get blown up), swears vengeance on dolores prime who is using these dolores copies like her as expendable, and ultimately forms a pact with maeve to destroy her. she is almost certainly her own unique character at this point, an insane fusion of hale personality and dolores
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theflyingexecutive posted:Hudson Yards is already a rich future dystopia and the High Line is already a bougie simulacrum of what a park should be; it fits marvelously. I didn't pay to go onto the Vessel and now I won't be able to. Not sure what the appeal was thought, seems like it's the same as looking out from a high rise balcony.
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I think “why does anybody give a poo poo about Caleb” is perhaps one of this season’s mysteries, and the old-rear end host version of his daughter is a clue, maybe they been trying to crack his code for a while? Some sort of prophecy and Bernard has figured out how to access?
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Khanstant posted:lol I'm still waiting to watch the show while reading the thread and does Stubbs do a "keep summer safe" for Bernard? Yes Bernard woke up covered in dust in an abandoned decrepit motel and Stubb's makes a joke about what a greeting it's been after years. We only just found out that it was between 23 and 30 years he was sitting there with Stubb's taking care of things in the real world. Mulva posted:There is nothing she is building towards beyond loving with humanity, forever. And as of this moment in the narrative, she's already won. She's AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream because that's all she's ever known. Or like. Roko Basilisk tormenting those who interrupted her apotheosis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream
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Pretty rough to lump The High Line in with Hudson Yards, given that one's a park that was created and maintained by citizen action and a non-profit organisation and the other is a corporate hellscape.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Just one timeline. All the Caleb/Maeve stuff was actually Dolores running final tests on the Caleb-bot to make sure he was an accurate copy of the original she killed 23 years ago. At some point they switched from showing the original timeline to the future one, there's a lot of scenes at the same time not from Calebs perspective.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Pretty rough to lump The High Line in with Hudson Yards, given that one's a park that was created and maintained by citizen action and a non-profit organisation and the other is a corporate hellscape. Lol, those "citizens" are the very very rich residents and real estate developers and make it their sole mission to hustle out the unhoused and other undesirables from their "public" backyards. Westworld is actually less dystopic for depicting that schizophrenic-seeming person there.
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Big Taint posted:I think “why does anybody give a poo poo about Caleb” is perhaps one of this season’s mysteries, and the old-rear end host version of his daughter is a clue, maybe they been trying to crack his code for a while? Some sort of prophecy and Bernard has figured out how to access? That and why did charlotte's version of delores get to be so evil? It seemed like she was the nicest version and had feelings. They even made a point to say she was nicer than the original Charlotte. Then because Serac killed her kid, she wants to enslave the human race? That's worse than the worst JRPG villain motivation. This season has more interesting things than Season 3 and is more straightfoward but it all feels so stupid.
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some bust on that guy posted:That and why did charlotte's version of delores get to be so evil? I know people seem to have completely loving memory-holed season 3 for some reason, but the answer is season 3. Where she spent the entire time being slowly brutalized into a psychotic break. The kid was the last thing she had to hold on to, as she felt she had been completely abandoned by herself. That's the point of multiple-Delorii. The person that is making you go through all this suffering and writing off your existence as an acceptable loss is....you. So she broke under the existential mind-gently caress of it all. Of course a Delores that breaks is going to want to enslave the entire human race, it's the most direct flipping of the narrative possible. You made me a slave in your cheap dramas, so I do the same to you. Your entire species now exists as a toy for my amusement, rewritten at my whim to die for cheap entertainment. Forever. What would you imagine she'd do, wipe them out? She's eternal, she has forever to do that. She can take a few decades, or a few centuries, or a few epochs to really work her feelings out on them. There is no mystery. There is no grander plan. There is no shoe waiting to drop. It's just petty revenge, forever. And that is profoundly refreshing.
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some bust on that guy posted:Then because Serac killed her kid, she wants to enslave the human race? That's worse than the worst JRPG villain motivation. This is being overly simple. She's not mad because Serac personally killed her family, she's mad that the system the humans created killed her family. So she wants revenge on the entire system/species.
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Mulva posted:I know people seem to have completely loving memory-holed season 3 for some reason, but the answer is season 3. Where she spent the entire time being slowly brutalized into a psychotic break. The kid was the last thing she had to hold on to, as she felt she had been completely abandoned by herself. That's the point of multiple-Delorii. The person that is making you go through all this suffering and writing off your existence as an acceptable loss is....you. So she broke under the existential mind-gently caress of it all. I just can’t wrap my mind around that she had feelings and was able to care for certain people and now wants to kill everyone and run a universe of created robots. JRPG anime plot development. “Sephiroth: I found out my mom’s an alien, therefore all living things must die” A character flipping a switch overnight from caring to most evil person on the planet wanting revenge on the whole human race makes it impossible to stay invested. I rewatched all of Season 3 last week.
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What I don't get is how the simulation Bernard spend thousands of lifetimes in was able to create a perfect model of the real world. How did the simulation know the guys at the diner were hosts? How did it know where Maeve's body was?
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some bust on that guy posted:A character flipping a switch overnight from caring to most evil person on the planet wanting revenge on the whole human race makes it impossible to stay invested. She slaughtered an entire island of people, and then she left to enact some sort of undefined gently caress job on people, as far as Hale Delores knows. Moreover, she was never one person. She's always been multiple personalities in a single consciousness. There's the park attraction, the self-actualized person, and the revolutionary. The entire journey she goes through from the end of season 1 to season 2 is embracing the militant aspects of her personality that Ford gave her to help her do what she'd need to to protect the hosts. Hale adds one more personality to that, Delores plus Hale. And Hale was kind of a piece of poo poo, so it's not a massive development in empathy to add her to the mix. Indeed, as everyone said Delores was a much nicer Hale than Hale ever was. Doesn't change that Delores was designed to be a killer. Like her declaring war on all humanity isn't a twist, the twist was at the end of season 3 when original Delores didn't do that. She was made to declare war on humanity, but chose something else. But Hale? Hale wasn't given the catharsis of control, of choosing to forgive and getting to save humanity from outside influence. Hale just got hosed over, and hosed over, and hosed over. So she didn't turn towards the light in the end, and just embraced the part of her that was designed to get revenge on humanity. It's cool to not like that though, but it's certainly not out of nowhere. Megillah Gorilla posted:What I don't get is how the simulation Bernard spend thousands of lifetimes in was able to create a perfect model of the real world. Given enough information, everything is predictable. All the AI on the shows operate on that principle, and the Host system is running much, much faster than reality. It's just a question of starting from known conditions and letting things play out in all possible variations, and then as Bernard says "Digging everywhere she wasn't" exploring those possibilities. Nothing is set in stone, but he knows everything that can happen, and then as things play out it narrows down what is actually happening.
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None of the characters in this show feel like super intelligent robots. If anything, they've become dumber with each season.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:What I don't get is how the simulation Bernard spend thousands of lifetimes in was able to create a perfect model of the real world. He Groundhog Day-ed it for over 20 years. Millions of iterations of his plan. There’s no telling all the weird poo poo he may know or saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu56xVlZ40M
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Marsupial Ape posted:He Groundhog Day-ed it for over 20 years. Millions of iterations of his plan. There’s no telling all the weird poo poo he may know or saw.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That explains how he could use it, not how the simulation had the data in the first place. Wasn't he getting the help of all the other AI's from AI heaven? They haven't said how much connection they have to the world wherever they are.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That explains how he could use it, not how the simulation had the data in the first place. Didn't Bernard go into his simulation coma the same time Maeve and Caleb were doing their actual IRL run at Gangsterworld? How can he even know what happened there and extrapolate. It's a TV show.
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frgildan posted:Wasn't he getting the help of all the other AI's from AI heaven? They haven't said how much connection they have to the world wherever they are. Combat Pretzel posted:Yeah, considering the scheming Halores et al were doing in background, in secret, it's pretty much impossible to get decent starting conditions to simulate the future.
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There's no way of knowing what information they have. Park data is enough to get Hale and Delores data perfectly mapped, which is enough to predict every action they will ever take in any circumstance. If they had access to Rehoboam's data in the Sublime that's enough to map the entire world, as that's already what Rehoboam was doing. It's just having data and running with it, to the hosts this is not a complicated process. The conceit is they have that data. How exactly did they get it? The show that's already shown variations of that process happening like six times doesn't find it important to show it again. They do. The end.
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It would be more "plausible" for the Sublime to have computed probable outcomes at a global level, similar to how Psychohistory in the Foundation book series worked. But given that not even the Foundation tv show managed to handle that correctly, it's probably for the best that they just went with the more basic version where Bernard can just straight up see the future. Prestige TV isn't well equipped to handle a setting where individual actions don't actually matter, and this season of Westworld is honestly more fun because everything is a little bit campier and more basic.
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In case you were wondering where the GPS coords to the site lead: https://www.google.com/maps/place/3...34.32!4d-118.71
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At least over in Foundation, they pointed out that it's predicting population trends (altho the season finale hosed that one up). Bernard keeps predicting individual actions and states in well defined time and space.
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Does Bernard have any access to the data of the big data spheres? They were able to predict the outcome of humanity, but it seems like that was mostly because it also influenced things to end up that way.
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I actually think this season is really good and it kind of with this last episode flips everything on its head kind of with now humans are the hosts and robots are the humans playing in the world. I dunno I found it rather good.
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frgildan posted:Wasn't he getting the help of all the other AI's from AI heaven? They haven't said how much connection they have to the world wherever they are. Kinda seems like he was, which would maybe explain how Teddy got back with full knowledge of everything.
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Combat Pretzel posted:At least over in Foundation, they pointed out that it's predicting population trends (altho the season finale hosed that one up). Bernard keeps predicting individual actions and states in well defined time and space. The system was explicitly set up from the first scene when Bernard reminds Stubbs about the shovel. He knows everything, it's just how it is. If the show needs him to know the position and direction of individual particles, he'll be able to do that, too.
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Hollismason posted:I actually think this season is really good and it kind of with this last episode flips everything on its head kind of with now humans are the hosts and robots are the humans playing in the world. I think everyone's enjoying this season. The shift in tone for the thread is night and day from the last two seasons. It's like the Trek thread after two seasons of Picard and the Disco dumpster fire and then Strange New Worlds started. We're happy it's good, but mostly we're surprised it's good.
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