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Twincityhacker posted:...is there *any* news what so ever besides the January 6th hearings? The XFL is coming back for a third time.
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Jul 25, 2022 20:46
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Twincityhacker posted:...is there *any* news what so ever besides the January 6th hearings? Monkey pox is still spreading, the government is still insisting it’s a gay disease, and just recently said that gay men are giving monkey pox to children.
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Jul 25, 2022 20:47
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Gripweed posted:Monkey pox is still spreading, the government is still insisting it’s a gay disease, and just recently said that gay men are giving monkey pox to children. When did the government do that?
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Jul 25, 2022 20:48
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Twincityhacker posted:...is there *any* news what so ever besides the January 6th hearings? Well it's a few months old so I don't know that it's super current events, but I recently learned that the Democrats' purpose-built fundraising/campaigning tool 'NGP VAN' was recently acquired by a private investment firm operating out of the UK - https://theintercept.com/2022/05/10/democrats-campaign-tech-ngp-van-apax/ I'm just a lowly worker, so obviously I don't know fancy, high-level concepts like finances and international influence, but uh, it seems really bad to have a foreign-based entity own the largest voter information database in existence.
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Jul 25, 2022 20:50
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:When did the government do that? https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1550969674778775552?s=21&t=YyOV_-py8UpRNIQX-QsBcA (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 25, 2022 20:52
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Gripweed posted:https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1550969674778775552?s=21&t=YyOV_-py8UpRNIQX-QsBcA Oh. I don't think I would consider MGT saying something dumb as "the government says gay men are giving kids moneypox" or it's "only a gay disease." This is the only official statement from the CDC about it: quote:Dr. Jennifer McQuiston, deputy director of the CDC's Division of High Consequence Pathogens and Pathology, said Friday that the cases in children were not surprising and that the US should be ready to respond to more.
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Jul 25, 2022 20:59
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The AP described it as an STD so whatever the CDC meant there, the message was clear. Good work framing this as the new gay plague at a time when homophobia is on the rise.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:01
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I mean she at least works for the government? Like when you get a big office in the capitol you're at least a little government, yeah?
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Jul 25, 2022 21:02
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Holy gently caress they could not have framed that worse.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:04
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MTG is only just barely part of the government in the most basic sense. She's a member of the House minority and has no committee seats. Her only power is to cast votes on other people's bills. This tweet no more reflects the position of the federal government than that of some random mid-hierarchy civil servant. The civil servant probably more so, since they can make unilateral binding decisions
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Jul 25, 2022 21:04
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Jaxyon posted:The AP described it as an STD so whatever the CDC meant there, the message was clear. The "STD" part was MTG editorializing. She doesn't say it is an STD in the clip and the CDC literally says it isn't an STD: quote:Since the monkeypox outbreak began in May, most of the cases have happened among men who have sex with men. However, anyone can catch the virus through close skin-to-skin contact. In the case of children, the agency said this could include "holding, cuddling, feeding, as well as through shared items such as towels, bedding, cups, and utensils."
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Jul 25, 2022 21:05
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Jaxyon posted:The AP described it as an STD so whatever the CDC meant there, the message was clear. Relating it to sexual contact in any manner is irresponsible and wrong. what the actual gently caress.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:05
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The "STD" part was MTG editorializing. Yeah somebody better let the AP know that https://twitter.com/AP/status/1550459483113095168 But great work CDC on making sure to mention "kids" and "men having sex with men" in the same sentence at a time when conservatives are implying all queer people are child groomers.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Relating it to sexual contact in any manner is irresponsible and wrong. what the actual gently caress. No it's not, because it is vital that highest risk communities be informed of symptoms, prevention, vaccines, and treatment. That's how epidemiology and public health work. It's walking a fine line between trying to protect the communities at highest risk and having it framed as another gay disease.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:08
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The "STD" part was MTG editorializing. I think they meant this AP article from a few days ago https://apnews.com/article/monkeypox-the-next-std-3266fd0ae451578c989605f430cd3897 I don't know if "The Government" is saying it's an STD but a lot of people, and messaging had not helped this, are becoming convinced this is just a gay STD which is uh, both really bad and really dangerous.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:08
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Fritz the Horse posted:No it's not, because it is vital that highest risk communities be informed of symptoms, prevention, vaccines, and treatment. That's how epidemiology and public health work. It's transmissible through contact. You don't need to say "gay sex" when you can say " physical contact". just because there is a vector via gay sex is no different than a vector through dry humping or naked mud wrestling. You can inform communities without putting a loving crosshair on their back in your press release. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 21:12
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CDC is really bad at messaging. Real March 2020 vibes from this poo poo.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:13
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People ITT making generalizations about impeachment, a process that has been rarely implemented and under wildly differing circumstances. And no former president has been prosecuted before. I think it's fair to say trying to draw conclusions about how the voters respond to impeachment or the political climate surrounding them is short sighted. What is happening right now has never happened in America before. You can be cynical about that, you can be optimistic about that, both are reasonable responses, but pretending the arc of history bends toward any particular outcome is soothsaying.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:17
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haveblue posted:MTG is only just barely part of the government in the most basic sense. She's a member of the House minority and has no committee seats. Her only power is to cast votes on other people's bills. This tweet no more reflects the position of the federal government than that of some random mid-hierarchy civil servant. The civil servant probably more so, since they can make unilateral binding decisions I mean sure saying it's "the government's view" is very uh generous but also i really, really do think that a sitting congresswoman is more a part of the federal government than a random irs pencil pusher or whatever. Like its in the constitution and stuff
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Jul 25, 2022 21:18
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projecthalaxy posted:I mean sure saying it's "the government's view" is very uh generous but also i really, really do think that a sitting congresswoman is more a part of the federal government than a random irs pencil pusher or whatever. Like its in the constitution and stuff When people say "an organization says X", it implies that the heads of the organization says X. If you think, in this case, that the top ....800+ members (house/senate/president/white house top staff/cabinet leaders and their top staff/etc) of an organization are the heads, we disagree. And I suspect most everyone would also disagree with you. Kalit fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 21:22
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Did any of you saying MTG isn’t “the government” actually watch the clip? Walensky literally says the US knows of two cases in children that were traced back to the “men who have sex with men community, the gay men’s community.” That is the head of the CDC saying that children got monkeypox from contact with specifically gay men. I think that reasonably counts as “the government’s position.” It was not taken out of context.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:36
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Jigsaw posted:Did any of you saying the MTG isn’t “the government” actually watch the clip? Walensky literally says the US knows of two cases in children that were traced back to the “men who have sex with men community, the gay men’s community.” That is the head of the CDC saying that children got monkeypox from contact with specifically gay men. I think that reasonably counts as “the government’s position.” It was not taken out of context. Yeah messaging is not just "Are the words we said factually true" it's also "how we say it". And they just handed a soundbite to violent fascist homophobes. And the media is already running with it. Pretty big "oopsie" and I guarantee you some queer folks are going to get hurt or killed because of it. But we can debate how much "in the government" MTG is, sure.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:40
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Jigsaw posted:Did any of you saying the MTG isn’t “the government” actually watch the clip? Walensky literally says the US knows of two cases in children that were traced back to the “men who have sex with men community, the gay men’s community.” That is the head of the CDC saying that children got monkeypox from contact with specifically gay men. I think that reasonably counts as “the government’s position.” It was not taken out of context. The question she was asked was how two infants got it when 99.8% of confirmed cases are from sexual contact between two men.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:43
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Kalit posted:When people say "an organization says X", it implies that the heads of the organization says X. If you think, in this case, that the top ....800+ members (house/senate/president/white house top staff/cabinet leaders and their top staff/etc) of an organization are the heads, we disagree. And I suspect most everyone would also disagree with you. Yeah which is why i said the initial framing of her as "the government" was "very generous", which is a figure of speech meant to convey the meaning "inaccurate". I apologize for being unclear. The rest of the post was disagreeing with the idea that "a random low level civil servant" is more influential in the government than a sitting member of Congress, because I disagree with that. Elected officials have a lot of power, both hard and soft, in terms of platform and prestige and so on, as well as being able to vote on legislation and introduce bills and stuff. I don't know. Maybe being in Congress is pointless and impotent but we sure seem concerned with who gets to be there.
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Jul 25, 2022 21:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The question she was asked was how two infants got it when 99.8% of confirmed cases are from sexual contact between two men. Yes, and she said they got it from contact with the gay men’s community. The idea that it is an STD and was spread by child abuse may be editorializing by MTG and the AP, fine, but the claim that gay men gave two children monkeypox was not. Thus, the government’s position is that gay men gave/are giving children monkeypox, while they did not directly comment on whether monkeypox is an STD. Edit: if she wanted to counter the possible misinterpretation of her statement, in order to address the question you posted, it would have been very easy and helpful to add something like: “and although sexual contact is one way this disease can spread, it’s not the only way, and wasn’t in those cases.” (Or something phrased better than that that communicates the same info—I don’t have as much time to prep or workshop these things as the head of the CDC.) But this isn’t strictly relevant to the original point, which was just that the government’s position is that gay men gave/are giving children monkeypox. Jigsaw fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 21:46
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Jigsaw posted:Yes, and she said they got it from contact with the gay men’s community. The idea that it is an STD and was spread by child abuse may be editorializing by MTG and the AP, fine, but the claim that gay men gave two children monkeypox was not. Thus, the government’s position is that gay men gave/are giving children monkeypox. You know there is a difference between a factual statement and a description of intent? Do you say that "Chinese people gave 200 million Americans covid" because the original outbreak group was 100% Chinese? Jigsaw posted:Edit: if she wanted to counter the possible misinterpretation of her statement, in order to address the question you posted, it would have been very easy and helpful to add something like: “and although sexual contact is one way this disease can spread, it’s not the only way, and wasn’t in those cases.” (Or something phrased better than that that communicates the same info—I don’t have as much time to prep or workshop these things as the head of the CDC.) That is basically what the CDC did say: quote:Since the monkeypox outbreak began in May, most of the cases have happened among men who have sex with men. However, anyone can catch the virus through close skin-to-skin contact. In the case of children, the agency said this could include "holding, cuddling, feeding, as well as through shared items such as towels, bedding, cups, and utensils."
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Jul 25, 2022 21:56
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If MTG said the sky was blue because I'd look out the window, because amongst other things she's a known liar and conspricy theorist.
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Jul 25, 2022 22:02
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Twincityhacker posted:If MTG said the sky was blue because I'd look out the window, because amongst other things she's a known liar and conspricy theorist. That's great but major news outlets are already running with "it's a gay plague" in various forms. And this is sounding awful familiar to anyone who lived through the 80's.
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Jul 25, 2022 22:26
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You know there is a difference between a factual statement and a description of intent? Do you say that "Chinese people gave 200 million Americans covid" because the original outbreak group was 100% Chinese? Dude, people are complaining about the way the message was delivered and your response is "you know there is a difference between the delivery and the message, right?". Of course they know, they're explicitly complaining about the delivery and framing.
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Jul 25, 2022 22:33
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Gumball Gumption posted:Dude, people are complaining about the way the message was delivered and your response is "you know there is a difference between the delivery and the message, right?". Of course they know, they're explicitly complaining about the delivery and framing. Yeah I literally said exactly that in my post. Jaxyon posted:Yeah messaging is not just "Are the words we said factually true" it's also "how we say it".
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Jul 25, 2022 22:39
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haveblue posted:MTG is only just barely part of the government in the most basic sense. She's a member of the House minority and has no committee seats. Her only power is to cast votes on other people's bills. This tweet no more reflects the position of the federal government than that of some random mid-hierarchy civil servant. The civil servant probably more so, since they can make unilateral binding decisions MTG is an elected representative so she absolutely is the government, but either way I was talking about the video. Walensky is also part of the government.
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Jul 25, 2022 22:45
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah I literally said exactly that in my post. It's that thing where because the first post was "The government says" anyone who comes in with a more refined argument that actually makes sense still gets treated like they went "uh the government says" instead of just being engaged as their own argument.
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Jul 25, 2022 22:46
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Gripweed posted:MTG is an elected representative so she absolutely is the government, but either way I was talking about the video. Walensky is also part of the government.
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Jul 25, 2022 23:08
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I think the point is that there's clearly groundwork being laid to start attacking gay people for "health" reasons, and considering centrist support for gay rights hinges entirely on if it polls well or not this should be Concerning. e: attack gay people for "health" reasons again, I mean (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Yinlock fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 23:34
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Jethro posted:She is part of the government, but she absolutely is not the government in the way people mean when they say the government. But surely the CDC would count as “the government” in a popular sense.
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Gripweed posted:MTG is an elected representative so she absolutely is the government, but either way I was talking about the video. Walensky is also part of the government. edit: n/m. Really not pertinent to this discussion
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Jul 25, 2022 23:40
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If your focus is on what MTG tweeted and not Walensky said you are just playing a pathetic game of political sports. Walensky’s messaging is atrocious and vile. She has lied outright about covid numerous times and now she is spreading gay panic. If Biden wasn’t experiencing elder abuse by Dems I’d say he nominated her out of maliciousness.
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Jul 25, 2022 23:51
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Lol yes a woman who has spent most of her career working to improve the screening and treatment of HIV/AIDS is a homophobeLeon Trotsky 2012 posted:The question she was asked was how two infants got it when 99.8% of confirmed cases are from sexual contact between two men. Given those statistics, I think we should be castigating the virus for being so homophobic and bigoted, and not Dr. Walensky.
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The issues with 99% of the cases being queer people is that if you are not a man who has sex with men it's *very difficult* to get a test.
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