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Grapplejack posted:Tbh I'm surprised we haven't gone whole hog into asteroid mining because that solves a lot of problems sorry but asteroid mining is just a lib fantasy
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indigi posted:like what? free, perfectly clean, unlimited power, for one you'd also create microwave death rayguns by doing this so it is likewise impossible under anything other than global communism
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Jul 25, 2022 18:38
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500 good dogs posted:sorry but asteroid mining is just a lib fantasy nonsense they don't believe anything can/should change
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Jul 25, 2022 18:38
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mine an asteroid inside my rear end
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Jul 25, 2022 18:44
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500 good dogs posted:sorry but asteroid mining is just a lib fantasy it's the first stop on the path to humanity being able to survive for any real length of time, but also impossible under anything other than fully realized communism. the lib fantasy part is thinking it could ever come about in anything even remotely resembling the current world order so that it would be like the expanse or whatever and you could go have Space Adventures in your lifetime or even your great-great-grandchild's lifetime
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Jul 25, 2022 18:45
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Grapplejack posted:Tbh I'm surprised we haven't gone whole hog into asteroid mining because that solves a lot of problems You could mine an old dump for a single digit percent of the cost of that and get all the same stuff they have in asteroids so I don't know what problems that solves other than not enough space barges full of lithium accidentally crashing into the earth. Unless you just mean for processing ore for use in space which is pretty useless because space is a waste of time
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the bitcoin of weed posted:space telescopes are cool and compared to a lot of other boondoggle space bullshit pretty cheap and simple The ones <$400M, sure. Don't read about Roman's or JWST's development. The good news is that there's a new NASA program for ~$1B class telescopes that will be managed like the <$400M ones. There'll be a far IR (like Herschel) or X-ray telescope (like Chandra, NuStar) selected this decade Grapplejack posted:Tbh I'm surprised we haven't gone whole hog into asteroid mining because that solves a lot of problems What Pentecoastal Elites said but also it requires a much more advanced space business ecosystem to buy down tech costs (launch, reliable space systems), which is precisely the revolution the space industry has seen in the past decade. Another issue is that it would require the development of new space mining cartels to manage how all of the metal makes it to market. It could/would really mess with geopolitics. https://hir.harvard.edu/economics-o...eroid%20mining. guidoanselmi has issued a correction as of 18:55 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 18:50
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Capitalism is the Great Filter.
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Jul 25, 2022 18:57
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Capitalism is the Great Filter. I unironically think this is true in at least some sense for creatures that are basically like us (individual social animals). Capitalism as a technology, or something like it, can probably can arise from any system in which specialized labor is developed. The civilizations who don't recognize it in time and quash it kill themselves through nuclear war or cooking their planet via pollution or whatever.
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Jul 25, 2022 19:10
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:free, perfectly clean, unlimited power, for one how is it any different than just building more solar hydro and wind? the only clean power-generating element not present in abundance on Earth is He3 and we can get that from the Moon if we ever get around to doing fusion I don’t think mining asteroids solves any problems more quickly, efficiently, or realistically than simply shifting productive forces away from fossil fuel exploitation and into renewables
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Jul 25, 2022 19:11
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I think capitalism is good.
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Jul 25, 2022 19:19
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NEOs are pretty unlikely to have meaningful deposits of He3 due to size, solar distance, and spin. hth
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Jul 25, 2022 19:20
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indigi posted:how is it any different than just building more solar hydro and wind? the only clean power-generating element not present in abundance on Earth is He3 and we can get that from the Moon if we ever get around to doing fusion in the short term (by which I mean several hundreds of years), no, the last thing we should be doing is space industry of any sort. In the longer term, though, while I think a global communist society could get pretty close to optimal distribution of resources you're still going to want more energy to do stuff with, and renewable energy isn't completely clean. Neither is space-based energy generation technically but you offload everything you can into space so your only polluting enterprise becomes the actual receptor infrastructure in construction and maintenance. Ultimately, though, you want to be mostly living and doing your thing off-planet (and planets in general) and for any sort of not-fooling-around space industry you've gotta crack some asteroids.
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Jul 25, 2022 19:23
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oh for sure. that’s the cool poo poo I’m way into AnimeIsTrash posted:I think capitalism is good. I don’t think it’s good but it is necessary so we may as well try to enjoy it while we can.
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I don't think that communism is needed to have a space faring civilization but without it, the chances are slim and also it will be terrible just like now is terrible I hope I live long enough to see what happens though the current changes within the spaceflight industry are super compelling
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Jul 25, 2022 19:31
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500 good dogs posted:sorry but asteroid mining is just a lib fantasy on the other hand the belter woman in the expanse was extremely sexy. remember this b4 u open ur mouth again. or else
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Smythe posted:on the other hand the belter woman in the expanse was extremely sexy. remember this b4 u open ur mouth again. or else 
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Smythe posted:on the other hand the belter woman in the expanse was extremely sexy. remember this b4 u open ur mouth again. or else 
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Jul 25, 2022 22:03
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Arent there a bunch of rare earth metals that are relatively abundant in asteroids but on Earth come from like 3 mines, all of which use incredibly exploited labor. From an ethics standpoint robotic asteroid mining would almost certaintly be less harmful to human health and the environment than traditional mining on Earth; at least for these sorts of resources.
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Jul 26, 2022 00:53
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nickel, cobalt, iridium, platinum come to mind there's no point in sending people. it'd all be robots
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you see, asteroid mining would be free of exploitation because it would be implemented by a utopian communist earth government. the constant rocket launches would also not cause any impact to the earth, for the same reason.
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guidoanselmi posted:nickel, cobalt, iridium, platinum come to mind good thing we can make robots without rare earth metals
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I'd like to colonize a planet and terrorize the zerg, jim raynor style.
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LOL I think I just mashed some poor fella's dog
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playtime is OVER *bricks a zergling*
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if you have robots that can mine rare earths in space do you know where it’d be even easier to deploy them
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indigi posted:if you have robots that can mine rare earths in space not Afghanistan lol
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Lord of Pie posted:not Afghanistan lol I bet China could
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It really is going to be very funny when the locals let them mine unmolested because they pour money on them instead of bombs
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unwantedplatypus posted:Arent there a bunch of rare earth metals that are relatively abundant in asteroids but on Earth come from like 3 mines, all of which use incredibly exploited labor. guidoanselmi posted:nickel, cobalt, iridium, platinum come to mind this technology does not and will never exist lmao
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the bitcoin of weed posted:this technology does not and will never exist lmao why? Its certainly not physically impossible
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Jul 26, 2022 04:32
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neither is turning lead into gold, with the right technology that exists in theory
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the milk machine posted:neither is turning lead into gold, with the right technology that exists in theory We already conduct nuclear transmutation in particle accelerators. There's literally no reason to think that you couldn't mature this technology further. We just don't because its not practically beneficial. edit: I'm so fortunate to be born at the exact unchanging apex of technology and culture. Just think, if I were born in another era, I would have to grapple with understanding I will grow old into a world fundamentally different than the one I grew up in. Thankfully, the 21st century is the asymptote of humanity. The response to my sarcasm will be eschatology. unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 05:05 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:We already conduct nuclear transmutation in particle accelerators. There's literally no reason to think that you couldn't mature this technology further. We just don't because its not practically beneficial. local maximum of humanity
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Vomik posted:local maximum of humanity Over time changes in environment move local maxima, freeing up further evolution. Same in the rest of life as it is in us; and history moves much faster than biology. Unless you want to claim that human civilizations are so stable that historical factors will not change the variables at play, and therefore not move local maxima. unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 05:10 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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yeah the local maximum is moving... down!
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500 good dogs posted:yeah the local maximum is moving... down! When bangladesh begins flooding, do you think they will respond by abandoning modernity, tearing down their factories, and reverting back to a feudal way of life; or do you think they will respond with re-orienting their productive efforts, combined with modern technology, for the purpose of mitigating the damage? If this process continues for decades and decades, they'll probably get pretty good at the techniques used to minimize damage, even if they are helpless to stop damage entirely. They will have advanced down a path of development, that would not have occured without the disruptive flooding event. In this case, technological and developmental progress advances, despite worsening conditions. It does not matter what causes the maxima to move, only that they do move. There is no going back in history or in evolution. Therefore, I think its incredibly unlikely for human civilization to technologically and developmentally stagnate in a local maximum of development as was hinted at earlier.
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unwantedplatypus posted:When bangladesh begins flooding, do you think they will respond by abandoning modernity, tearing down their factories, and reverting back to a feudal way of life; or do you think they will respond with re-orienting their productive efforts, combined with modern technology, for the purpose of mitigating the damage? If this process continues for decades and decades, they'll probably get pretty good at the techniques used to minimize damage, even if they are helpless to stop damage entirely. They will have advanced down a path of development, that would not have occured without the disruptive flooding event. In this case, technological and developmental progress advances, despite worsening conditions. no they're not going to abandon modernity, they're just going to die OP
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500 good dogs posted:no they're not going to abandon modernity, they're just going to die OP Its going to take decades for that to happen, and people will be trying to actively not die while it is happening. They might fail, but failure is not stagnation. And failure is not a guarantee, no matter how smart cynicism makes you feel.
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As a leftist I think that the people of the third world will go quietly into the night.
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