[Biosphere Collapse] 420 days of blazin' it

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The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

when I was younger I wanted to build robots. I should've figured out a way to have pursued that. now I'm not even sure we will be succeeded by our mind children and if we are I suspect they will somehow manage to be racist despite the lack of any nonrobotic life

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:16

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# ? May 24, 2024 20:33

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

i feel like people dramatically overestimate contemporary technology

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:45

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Mr. Lobe posted:

Imo he takes way too long to make his point

goons hate brevity.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:48

grass toucher: Jul 23, 2022

Stereotype posted:

i feel like people dramatically overestimate contemporary technology

as someone who deals with automated systems everyday, oh my god yes

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:48

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Homeless Friend posted:

goons hate brevity.

But brevity is the soul of oh right yeah that checks out actually.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:51

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

if marvel did it, its possible...

# ? Jul 26, 2022 06:51

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Stereotype posted:

i feel like people dramatically overestimate contemporary technology

loving god yes. If people weren't so high on the illusion of tech we would've panicked about the climate years ago

# ? Jul 26, 2022 07:13

Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

there's a live one in the D&D space thread right now posting paragraph upon paragraph about how generation ships and asteroid mining are real, and strong, and their friend

people absolutely poisoned by fiction and elon musk-like scammers

and yes i know, but it's an ok thread usually

# ? Jul 26, 2022 07:25

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

sheeeit.. lets go 1st gen xbox. we could fit all of humanity in there

# ? Jul 26, 2022 07:27

Blackhawk: Nov 15, 2004

Lpzie posted:

has a perpetual motion nut ever been in a position to build a power plant?! curious what their reaction would be when it doesn't work and the town is asking questions.

Kind of?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huemul_Project

# ? Jul 26, 2022 10:04

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

Mola Yam posted:

there's a live one in the D&D space thread right now posting paragraph upon paragraph about how generation ships and asteroid mining are real, and strong, and their friend

people absolutely poisoned by fiction and elon musk-like scammers

and yes i know, but it's an ok thread usually

we can barely keep a handful of people alive in a glorified airplane that can be resupplied four times a year and doing even that is the most expensive and complex project ever undertaken in all of human history.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 10:07

coke: Jul 12, 2009

Erghh posted:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/19072022/mountain-glaciers-heat-waves/

lol looks like it's only time before the snow completely disappear from the area

# ? Jul 26, 2022 10:17

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Slavvy posted:

loving god yes. If people weren't so high on the illusion of tech we would've panicked about the climate years ago

the funny thing is if we had panicked about climate change years ago we'd also be doing better on the space front because we'd know more than gently caress poo poo all about how ecologies function and earth systems science rather than it being a joke of a subject barely studied anywhere and left to literally the steve bannons of the world and might have any idea whatsoever how to keep anyone alive in space lmao

# ? Jul 26, 2022 10:30

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Hmm not sure about that. If we knew then what we know now about ecology and earth systems we might have concluded that a base on the moon or Mars is a complete fantasy based on the entirely false premise that humanity's destiny is to expand to new lands forever, a fantasy that doesn't belong anywhere outside a tintin book or that one scene from the west wing

# ? Jul 26, 2022 10:43

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

Mola Yam posted:

there's a live one in the D&D space thread right now posting paragraph upon paragraph about how generation ships and asteroid mining are real, and strong, and their friend

people absolutely poisoned by fiction and elon musk-like scammers

and yes i know, but it's an ok thread usually

huh? oh ffs

Raenir Salazar posted:

I believe I presented some ideas before, but the fact is having our entire species being on Earth at a minimum is incredibly dangerous for the survival of our species. Being able to deflect large asteroid impacts requires some space travel ability, I don't think right now we could launch and get little engines on a big rear end asteroid to nudge its trajectory; its also unclear to me if we can see every large rock slowly drifting its way towards us, especially if for whatever reason it isn't particularly reflective/bright because its made out of some light absorbing material.

At a minimum I think you would agree that spreading out throughout our solar system would help diversify and improve our odds because instead of being on just one planet at risk to some hitherto unknown threat, we're spread out probably on 2-3 planets in our solar system along and however many "easily" repositionable space habitats or moons.

And if you would grant living throughout the solar system then we have the resources and the energy to potentially go to nearby solar systems with enough time to consider the problem and get used to the dangers of outer space as a much more distinct possibility.

I consider this just the minimum as to why it is reasonable to suppose we'll leave Earth, with the solar system largely presented as low hanging fruit; there are of course still dangers that can threaten us even if widely dispersed throughout our solar system; but being widely dispersed throughout our galaxy? We've for some definition of "humanity" considering speciation have become unkillable.

I don't think it is the case that we have endless resources "under our feet"; I believe there are limits to how far and how efficiently we can dig deeply, and thus provides economic incentives for exploring and exploiting space. Space doesn't need to be easy or cheap; the technology in small steps only has to iteratively get to the point that the economics start to make more sense then however digging into the Mantle would work.

Also frankly as I think I've said before, why do we want to keep digging into Earth? Why not just explore space and eventually move the vast majority of our heavy industry and resource gathering operations off world to reduce the environmental impact of being a K1 civilization on our planet? Mining the asteroid belt is overwhelmingly less of an impact on Earth's environment than mining on Earth.

And of course population; more people means more problem solvers; especially as long as our supply of energy is increasing with our advancements into space travel (for example widespread nuclear fusion); with space habitats there will be more people able to live. The Earth's population will start to reach a soft cap of around 12 billion to 16 billion people depending on which UN population growth trendline we're following as developing nations decline in birth rates. But in some hypothetically sufficiently advanced human civilization capable of building megastructures like O'Neil cylinders we could have billions of more humans in the solar system alone; which would quickly dwarf the total number of humans who have ever lived to date.

See this Kurzgesagt video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEENEFaVUzU as to why it is beneficial to leave Earth.

The fact is, toxic deserts or cold tundras haven't stopped humans from checking them out (in person) or building cities and living there; Arizona/Siberia, etc. If you're using this analogy then I think that supports my arguments because I can just point at any desert we've already decided to build cities in to spit in God's eye.

This doesn't make any sense? Generational ships are a thing. If you mean some individual person might not live long enough for the trip from Sol to some sufficiently far away solar system (so none of the lines within a few light years from us) I don't at see how this matters. K2+ civilizations are going to be alien to us and we'd be colonizing these other star systems knowing that most people won't live to ultimately see their destination, or people born there ultimately won't have any memories of Earth, but this is fine. It's like spores from a plant, I don't think the plant cares that it won't see where the spores go. It's what it does to reproduce, and its what we need to do as a civilization and species if we wish to "reproduce", find new niches, and diversify. Within hundreds of years these colonies will drift considerably in language, culture, language and even probably genetics from Earth humans and this is fine to me, and probably the point. Our species will continue.

But also IIRC I think what you're saying here isn't technically correct, in theory if some hypothetically advanced civilization could travel to some significant fraction of c, they would due to time dillation be able to survive the trip even as it takes hundred of years to get to the destination no? You could have a class of people who travel between the worlds.

There are absolutely plenty of reasons why we'd want to colonize space, these maybe aren't entirely convincing to you, but it doesn't need to convince you, ultimately our civilization just wants to "want" to do it and I believe its absolutely our instinct to want to do so. But I have given reasons why robots are likely to be insufficient for any space related task we can think of.

tl, dr:

Raenir Salazar posted:

See this Kurzgesagt video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEENEFaVUzU as to why it is beneficial to leave Earth.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 11:07

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Mola Yam posted:

there's a live one in the D&D space thread right now posting paragraph upon paragraph about how generation ships and asteroid mining are real, and strong, and their friend

people absolutely poisoned by fiction and elon musk-like scammers

and yes i know, but it's an ok thread usually

i hope the generation ships turn into a horror film

# ? Jul 26, 2022 11:09

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Goa Tse-tung posted:

huh? oh ffs

tl, dr:

This dude has such a powerful loudness:stupidity ratio across every thread, it's impressive.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 11:10

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Microplastics posted:

Hmm not sure about that. If we knew then what we know now about ecology and earth systems we might have concluded that a base on the moon or Mars is a complete fantasy based on the entirely false premise that humanity's destiny is to expand to new lands forever, a fantasy that doesn't belong anywhere outside a tintin book or that one scene from the west wing

i would consider that doing better at space lmao

the continued existence of a humanity prosperous enough to engage in scientific study for a longer period of time thanks to not destroying our biosphere would result in significantly better understanding of the universe

atelier morgan has issued a correction as of 11:29 on Jul 26, 2022

# ? Jul 26, 2022 11:22

Wakko: Jun 9, 2002; Faboo!

Microplastics posted:

No one will think anything because the astonishingly unlikely freak occurrence of intelligent life won't happen again before the the sun scours the earth and extinguishes the only light the universe ever had

cephalopods may survive this mass extinction and we already know they�re closer to intelligent life than humans because they didn�t invent combustion engines.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 11:46

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

Goa Tse-tung posted:

huh? oh ffs

tl, dr:

of loving course there's another Kurzgesagt video there if you pull the string, why am i not surprised

thinking we can run away from this poo poo is more doomer than any post in here. at least we acknowledge our situation and many of us think we could at least do some extreme adaptation to survive it (as a species, not as like, individuals, lol)

but nope, just let the earth loving die we're heading into SPAAAAAAAACE (we're not)

Cold on a Cob has issued a correction as of 12:35 on Jul 26, 2022

# ? Jul 26, 2022 12:32

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Cold on a Cob posted:

of loving course there's another Kurzgesagt video there if you pull the string, why am i not surprised

thinking we can run away from this poo poo is more doomer than any post in here. at least we acknowledge our situation and many of us think we could at least do some extreme adaptation to survive it (as a species, not as like, individuals, lol)

but nope, just let the earth loving die we're heading into SPAAAAAAAACE (we're not)

Those Kurzgesagt videos are pure copium. I watched one that tried to convince me that my life would be sad if I only lived for the weekend because that's only like 10 years of life. Like bitch, why should I live to work? Work loving sucks.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 12:46

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

Iron Crowned posted:

Those Kurzgesagt videos are pure copium. I watched one that tried to convince me that my life would be sad if I only lived for the weekend because that's only like 10 years of life. Like bitch, why should I live to work? Work loving sucks.

neoliberal pieces of poo poo like them who are fortunate enough to have jobs that don't feel like work love to tell the rest of us we're idiots for not having jobs like them. "oh you hate your job? maybe you shouldn't work in an unskilled service industry job hey get back here I want my loving latte no tip for you!!!!"

it's rarely that explicit but that's how they think. they'll pay lip service to idpol stuff and talk about social safety nets but when the rubber hits the road they absolutely want an underclass to serve them with a smile and they know socialism would destroy that so they will never support it.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 12:53

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

(to be clear i'm a confessed class traitor that was fortunate enough to stumble out of poverty so when i say "like the rest of us" i know i'm not in the class that gets poo poo on by the people i describe there anymore)

# ? Jul 26, 2022 12:57

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

if you work for someone else's profits you're still the same class, op

# ? Jul 26, 2022 13:02

mediaphage: Mar 22, 2007; Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

my spouse got a mild burn on their leg this week when they accidentally touched the front door

# ? Jul 26, 2022 13:29

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Iron Crowned posted:

Those Kurzgesagt videos are pure copium. I watched one that tried to convince me that my life would be sad if I only lived for the weekend because that's only like 10 years of life. Like bitch, why should I live to work? Work loving sucks.

Have you tried having fun at work by simply having fun at work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAQT6ifGys

Warning: astonishingly painful video

# ? Jul 26, 2022 13:33

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Cold on a Cob posted:

neoliberal pieces of poo poo like them who are fortunate enough to have jobs that don't feel like work love to tell the rest of us we're idiots for not having jobs like them. "oh you hate your job? maybe you shouldn't work in an unskilled service industry job hey get back here I want my loving latte no tip for you!!!!"

it's rarely that explicit but that's how they think. they'll pay lip service to idpol stuff and talk about social safety nets but when the rubber hits the road they absolutely want an underclass to serve them with a smile and they know socialism would destroy that so they will never support it.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 14:08

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Microplastics posted:

Have you tried having fun at work by simply having fun at work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAQT6ifGys

Warning: astonishingly painful video

The throwing fish thing is sorta the trademark of Pike Place Market. Just :lol:

that someone decided that should be a business model.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 14:10

Unless: Jul 24, 2005; I art

Cold on a Cob posted:

neoliberal pieces of poo poo like them who are fortunate enough to have jobs that don't feel like work love to tell the rest of us we're idiots for not having jobs like them. "oh you hate your job? maybe you shouldn't work in an unskilled service industry job hey get back here I want my loving latte no tip for you!!!!"

it's rarely that explicit but that's how they think. they'll pay lip service to idpol stuff and talk about social safety nets but when the rubber hits the road they absolutely want an underclass to serve them with a smile and they know socialism would destroy that so they will never support it.

most aren�t opposed to worker co-ops, though.

profit-sharing, company ownership, and workplace determinism can be ensured (a la the cleveland model, mondragon, early 2000s greece collapse).

we just can�t say we�re supporting them out loud, because that�s communism

# ? Jul 26, 2022 14:44

Euronymous: Jul 19, 2022

I went to the Beartooth Highway on the Custer-Gallatin NF just north of Yellowstone recently. The wildflowers were peaking and, thanks to the wet/cool summer, were blooming extra hard. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

It's worth fighting for, folks.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 14:51

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Stereotype posted:

i feel like people dramatically overestimate contemporary technology

The real problem is that people both overestimate technology and underestimate the scale and power of nature.

You can see this to some degree with the resistance in places like Miami to taking real measures against "nuisance" flooding and, you know, the eventual total destruction of the city. Yes, it's all a scam perpetrated by real estate investors so they can avoid being the last ones holding the bag, but ordinary people go along with it because the threat of flooding seems less immediate than the ugliness of a sea wall. Hell, people will just go casually walking in flood waters (and then loving die) because it doesn't occur to them that a few inches of rapidly moving water can literally carry your home off its foundation.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 14:57

Harold Fjord: Jan 3, 2004

Euronymous posted:

It's worth fighting for, folks.

Fighting is what the bad guys do. Go high

# ? Jul 26, 2022 15:04

Unless: Jul 24, 2005; I art

Harold Fjord posted:

Fighting is what the bad guys do. Go high

lately, I�ve been workshopping the platitude of �when they go low, we go high�

when they go low, we grab them by the back of their loving heads and rub their faces so loving hard in the mess they�ve made they won�t even dream of trying that poo poo again

# ? Jul 26, 2022 15:13

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

However, a well-established physical law (the Clausius-Clapeyron relation) determines that the water-holding capacity of the atmosphere increases by about 7% for every 1�C rise in temperature. Observations of trends in relative humidity are uncertain but suggest that it has remained about the same overall, from the surface throughout the troposphere, and hence increased temperatures will have resulted in increased water vapour. Over the 20th century, based on changes in sea surface temperatures, it is estimated that atmospheric water vapour increased by about 5% in the atmosphere over the oceans. Because precipitation comes mainly from weather systems that feed on the water vapour stored in the atmosphere, this has generally increased precipitation intensity and the risk of heavy rain and snow events. Basic theory, climate model simulations and empirical evidence all confirm that warmer climates, owing to increased water vapour, lead to more intense precipitation events even when the total annual precipitation is reduced slightly, and with prospects for even stronger events when the overall precipitation amounts increase. The warmer climate therefore increases risks of both drought − where it is not raining − and floods − where it is − but at different times and/or places.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 15:50

Unless: Jul 24, 2005; I art

Thousands of U.S. cattle buried, dumped at Kansas landfill

quote:

CHICAGO, June 15 (Reuters) - Extreme heat and humidity killed thousands of cattle in Kansas in recent days, the state said, and sizzling temperatures continue to threaten livestock.

The deaths add pain to the U.S. cattle industry as producers have reduced herds due to drought and grappled with feed costs that climbed as Russia's invasion of Ukraine tightened global grain supplies.

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment knew of at least 2,000 cattle deaths due to high temperatures and humidity as of Tuesday, spokesperson Matthew Lara said. The toll represents facilities that contacted the agency for help disposing of carcasses, he said.

Kansas is the third largest U.S. cattle state behind Texas and Nebraska, with more than 2.4 million cattle in feedlots.

Cattle began suffering heat stress as temperatures and humidity spiked over the weekend in western Kansas and cooling winds disappeared, said Scarlett Hagins, spokesperson for the Kansas Livestock Association. The animals could not acclimate to the sudden change, she said.

"It was essentially a perfect storm," said AJ Tarpoff, beef extension veterinarian for Kansas State University.

Temperatures reached 108 degrees Fahrenheit (42 degrees Celsius) in northwest Kansas by Monday, said Drew Lerner, president of World Weather Inc. This weekend, parts of western Kansas and the Texas panhandle will near 110 degrees, though stronger winds and lower humidity levels will help minimize cattle deaths, he said.

"It's going to be oppressively hot and stressful for the animals," Lerner said.

To survive, ranchers are providing cattle with extra water and checking their health.

"You can't say, 'Oh I checked them three days ago,'" said Brenda Masek, president of the industry association Nebraska Cattlemen. "When it gets hot, you've got be to out every day and making sure that their water is maintained."

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:00

TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

Still wild that meat production is the source of ~18% of all greenhouse gas emissions. It doesn't feel like it should be that high, in some abstract way. It's just a burger! It's murder, but it feels like it should only be #30 on the list of things that are destroying the planet.

But nope lol 1/5 of all greenhouse gas emissions are because I want mozz sticks on the side of my burger

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:05

Rectal Death Adept: Jun 20, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:20

Unless: Jul 24, 2005; I art

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRA3h8CU/

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:21

Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

Euronymous posted:

I went to the Beartooth Highway on the Custer-Gallatin NF just north of Yellowstone recently. The wildflowers were peaking and, thanks to the wet/cool summer, were blooming extra hard. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

It's worth fighting for, folks.

We are not allowed to fight the people who are ruining things. The solutions are illegal.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:24

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# ? May 24, 2024 20:33

Erghh: Sep 24, 2007; "Let him speak!"

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1551942745773801473

quote:
They estimated that, as a result of heat and drought, their crop yields had fallen by a quarter to a third; for some crops, there was no point in harvesting them. Heat stress had also reduced the fertility of their cows, further compounding their financial problems.

I asked the farmers how they planned to contend with a hotter future. What if this year represented not the end of a crescendo but the start of one?

The question seemed unwelcome.

# ? Jul 26, 2022 16:31

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