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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

PT6A posted:

Frankly we should feel lucky they're flying jets at all.

Or even turbine-engined planes.
How much longer do they realistically have? Will they get to a point when decades of aerobatics makes them a "write off" for lack of a better word?

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Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

I want an aerobatics team with Starfighters

Specifically the G variant

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Lord Stimperor posted:

I want an aerobatics team with Starfighters

Specifically the G variant

Calm down, Herr Adenauer.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Spaced God posted:

They also have a mig 15 which is just adorable next to either of them :kimchi:

It’s amazing to me how small MiG 15s and F86s are.

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

Lord Stimperor posted:

I want an aerobatics team with Starfighters

Specifically the G variant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQasfk3LcTw

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

slidebite posted:

How much longer do they realistically have? Will they get to a point when decades of aerobatics makes them a "write off" for lack of a better word?

At least a decade or longer. We've got the spares and spare aircraft to keep them going until at least 2030.

Lord Stimperor posted:

I want an aerobatics team with Starfighters

Specifically the G variant

There definitely was such a thing in the Canadian Forces in the 1970s.

MrChips fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Jul 21, 2022

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

BIG HEADLINE posted:

He also led the transition to the Hornet for the Blues as well: https://youtu.be/oWQUtFHvELw

That was a great video, thanks for posting it.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

lilbeefer posted:

I remember seeing an F-111 when I was a kid and I was blown away at the size
Me too, but as an adult. Probably the most surprising to me was how big the F14 was in person. I don't know why, I knew it wasn't "small" but it just seemed so much larger than I expected.

MrChips posted:

At least a decade or longer. We've got the spares and spare aircraft to keep them going until at least 2030.
In typical :canada: style, they won't do anything about it before then and probably pay Bombardier some ungodly amount of money to make some new 70 year old airframes.

Crosspost from space thread
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1549824740487008257?s=20&t=IVqMQnLeIfO9S_kqN_4MiQ

slidebite fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 21, 2022

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


slidebite posted:

Me too, but as an adult. Probably the most surprising to me was how big the F14 was in person. I don't know why, I knew it wasn't "small" but it just seemed so much larger than I expected.

In typical :canada: style, they won't do anything about it before then and probably pay Bombardier some ungodly amount of money to make some new 70 year old airframes.

Crosspost from space thread
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1549824740487008257?s=20&t=IVqMQnLeIfO9S_kqN_4MiQ

build the Sea Dragon you cowards

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

FuturePastNow posted:

build the Sea Dragon you cowards

:emptyquote:

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Where is the space thread? I know this thread used to have a lot of space/rocket posts before that sort of thing moved elsewhere.

urzaserra256
Nov 29, 2009
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3580990

Her it is its in the Science, Academics, and Languages forum.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

slidebite posted:

Me too, but as an adult. Probably the most surprising to me was how big the F14 was in person. I don't know why, I knew it wasn't "small" but it just seemed so much larger than I expected.

In typical :canada: style, they won't do anything about it before then and probably pay Bombardier some ungodly amount of money to make some new 70 year old airframes.

Crosspost from space thread
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1549824740487008257?s=20&t=IVqMQnLeIfO9S_kqN_4MiQ

that's some kerbal space program lookin rear end poo poo

Full Collapse
Dec 4, 2002

`Nemesis posted:

that's some kerbal space program lookin rear end poo poo

:10bux: says KSP is their design software.

buttcrackmenace
Nov 14, 2007

see its right there in the manual where it says
Grimey Drawer

[Thunderf00t has entered the chat]

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Full Collapse posted:

:10bux: says KSP is their design software.

What if we built the N-1, but moreso? Like, way, way, more complected?

So statistically speaking, it is hot where you are right now. Why not come with me down to the abandoned spirograph factory? It's cool in the abandoned warehouse. We can listen to an hour 50 minute lecture on the engineering and construction of the R100!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj_of7hDt0A

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


edit, wrong thread

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

Lord Stimperor posted:

I want an aerobatics team with Starfighters

Specifically the G variant

There's actually an airshow act using F-104's in the US (Starfighters Inc), but they've cut way back on airshow appearances the last few years in favor of government contract work.

On the subject of F-104 airshow appearances, there was a Dutch F-104 demo pilot who was the only person able to reliably perform a "touch roll touch", where he'd touch down on the runway, lift off to about 50ft, do a complete aileron roll, and then land again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyBDEG9dg-Q

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
So I finally found an answer on how the RoKAF Black Eagles made it to RIAT and Farnborough: https://www.globalair.com/articles/republic-of-korea-air-force-black-eagles-steal-the-show-at-riat?id=4812

Ahead of arriving in the UK, 9 T-50Bs were taken apart and shipped across in three C-130 transport aircraft, reported Yonhap News Agency back in May.

I'm guessing versatility like this is why the Poles just bought 48 of them.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


BIG HEADLINE posted:

So I finally found an answer on how the RoKAF Black Eagles made it to RIAT and Farnborough: https://www.globalair.com/articles/republic-of-korea-air-force-black-eagles-steal-the-show-at-riat?id=4812

Ahead of arriving in the UK, 9 T-50Bs were taken apart and shipped across in three C-130 transport aircraft, reported Yonhap News Agency back in May.

I'm guessing versatility like this is why the Poles just bought 48 of them.

Huh. Neat.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti


EAA Airventure

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

âрø ÿþûþÑÂúø,
трø ÿþ трø ÿþûþÑÂúø

`Nemesis posted:



EAA Airventure

If your a plane nerd at all this is mecca. Im so lucky to have gone a bunch of times. Even tho i snuck into it a few of them. Shhhhh.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



My chapter sent me to the teen camp back in high school for the first week of airventure. Still one of the most overwhelming experiences of my life. You could walk for miles and not run out of planes to look at

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Are there any Catalinas still fighting fires?

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
Not that I'm aware of.

After various WW2 airplanes crashed while firefighting due to the wings falling off, those airplanes largely got banned from doing firefighting, and I think the Catalinas would have been retired even earlier than that, since they weren't exactly overpowered to begin with.

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


At least one Catalina was still fighting fires several years after the federal ban: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2008/jun/13/pby-ready-owner-says/

Unfortunately that particular aircraft was later involved in an incident where it had to be beached and the airframe was basically destroyed: https://aviationinthewest.wordpress.com/2016/05/27/the-rise-and-fall-of-tanker-85/

Realistically the Canadair CL-215/215T/415/515 can probably do more work with less headaches, both regulatory and maintenance.

AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

I helped do an oil and spark plug change on that once while in A&P school! A teacher was friends with the pilot and did maintenance work on it out of Deer Park, WA. He invited a couple of us to help out. They had a van with a platform on top that was parked under the wing to access everything. Pulling the spark plugs took a very long time...

The main pilot originally did crop spraying work then got contracted by a US government agency to go to Central America and spray a specific kind of crop down there. He had super interesting stories.

I didn't know its fate. That's quite sad. I'll see if I still have some pics somewhere when home, though they were with a mid-2000s camera phone.



AzureSkys fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jul 26, 2022

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Advent Horizon posted:

Realistically the Canadair CL-215/215T/415/515 can probably do more work with less headaches, both regulatory and maintenance.

Yeah, I figured. I just got curious thinking about DC-3s still actually haulin' stuff.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Are all the A26 water bomber conversions retired?

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


I think the only stuff left fighting fires with pistons are a few CL-215s, and I think those are mostly only with Buffalo.

Even the older turboprops/turboprop conversions are being retired. We have a contract with Conair for a Convair 580 and last year they started substituting a Dash 8. It’s a straight 1:1 replacement; the contract included a per-hour methanol allowance and I did a double-take seeing them bill that on the invoices.

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

I know I've seen Electras tooling around northern Canada doing spraying and firefighting operations. Such as this one https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGHZI, which has a fairly interesting history; https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/240919

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Nebakenezzer posted:

Yeah, I figured. I just got curious thinking about DC-3s still actually haulin' stuff.

It’s not firefighting, but there are still C-47s in revenue service out of Opa Locka (KOPF) to the Carribean.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://twitter.com/rossfeinstein/status/1551392368032710658?s=21&t=mCYeSPzLo5F8tfAdV3gJbw

https://twitter.com/rossfeinstein/status/1551395953550172161?s=21&t=mCYeSPzLo5F8tfAdV3gJbw

TLDR: Captain had no idea how to fly in a minor crosswind.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
https://twitter.com/thetimkelleher/status/1552089234449715201?s=20&t=aGF_D9OJ7Qh7Q7nwAhp3yA

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N45517

Cessna 150, seaplane model

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Ditching a fixed-gear airplane looks extremely unpleasant.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Avweb's opinion is that ditching near the shore like that has roughly equal survivability as a forced landing on a beach. I don't think there are any good open fields or wide, straight roads in the area near Alki Beach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwGYBBhTss

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


It’s impressive to complain about an airbus mishandling a full rudder deflection when the 737 exists.

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
Interestingly, the advice for ditching a glider plane I have heard is to do it with the main wheel down. The single center wheel will hit the water first and "suck" the plane few meters underwater, then it will surface and remain upright.

Without the wheel it would probably hydroplane forever, until one wing hits the water and interesting things happen.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Did any official statement come out of that Chinese place crash from a few months ago? I know they were leaning towards it being deliberate.

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a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

No injuries either! I wonder if the flying club that owned that airplane will tighten up their maintenance standards


they go through about a plane per year for various reasons

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