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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Rody One Half posted:

I've enjoyed this arc a lot but seriously can we go back to the part where the demon king KNOWS WHAT CONVERGENT EVOLUTION IS?

The author doesn't think that hard, and you shouldn't either.

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Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever

ninjoatse.cx posted:

The author doesn't think that hard, and you shouldn't either.

I didn't realize this series was written by Rumiko Takahashi :v:

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



ninjoatse.cx posted:

The author doesn't think that hard, and you shouldn't either.

I'm not sure. Convergent evolution is a really weird thing to bring up in a fantasy setting if there's not going to be some payoff.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Rody One Half posted:

I've enjoyed this arc a lot but seriously can we go back to the part where the demon king KNOWS WHAT CONVERGENT EVOLUTION IS?

Is it that crazy? Some of these characters are old enough so have witnessed species changing over time. Real life humanity figured it out in the 1800s with our significantly shorter lives.

It's also just a fun side note. Why do the demons, elves and humans look alike? Because there's just something about that form that goes hand in hand with intelligence.

MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jun 24, 2022

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

not all of the demons have had human appearances though

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Rubellavator posted:

not all of the demons have had human appearances though

Exceptions to my theory of convergent demon/elf/human evolution are simply due to malicious wizards trying to discredit me. Obviously.

Huzzah!
Sep 15, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.
Chapter 96
Denken rules.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

I'd say it was quite a boring way to resolve the issue, but of course, it depends on what happens next since the final page reveals that it's probably not the end of the fight; whether that means Denken has bought time before Macht can transmute himself or it'll happen immediately, and whether or not the rest of Denken's tactics are to pull out previously unrevealed magics that have had no real foreshadowing or build up to turn the tables.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Oh wow, the way Serie gives away complicated magic... It makes a surprising amount of sense. I really liked the call back to Serie's one spell prize. Makes perfect sense given what we've learned about Denken.

Macht is already reversing his gold curse. Not sure what that says about the nature of demon consciousness. Or maybe he already started reversing once he realized he was turning to gold?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Should just shoot him in the face while he's reversing the magic

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

the Special Forces of Magic lol

also

Huzzah! posted:

Denken rules.

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
He's gonna beat up Macht in a fist fight

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Babe Magnet posted:

the Special Forces of Magic lol

also

Yeah kinda weirdly presented but makes sense in the setting. If you couldn't do large scale defensive barriers like that the balance of your setting wouldn't work out, as the Demons would be unstoppable. It's a pretty good trope that a bunch of people working together can make something even the strongest individual can't match. Plus demons are intrinsically asocial so they would need to be forced to work together to overcome it.

Plus it ties into more common arcana sensibilities of the fantasy genre 1) Large scale ritual 2) Harmonized with an existing natural barrier 3) Requires some small continual maintenance to keep it going.

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

Hypocrisy posted:

Oh wow, the way Serie gives away complicated magic... It makes a surprising amount of sense. I really liked the call back to Serie's one spell prize. Makes perfect sense given what we've learned about Denken.

Macht is already reversing his gold curse. Not sure what that says about the nature of demon consciousness. Or maybe he already started reversing once he realized he was turning to gold?


I mean, it makes sense that he could immediately and reflexively reverse his magic--has nothing to do with demon consciousness in my opinion. Magic is all about thought and concept and he fundamentally doesn't see his power as something dangerous to him, I assume.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



I Am Fowl posted:

I mean, it makes sense that he could immediately and reflexively reverse his magic--has nothing to do with demon consciousness in my opinion. Magic is all about thought and concept and he fundamentally doesn't see his power as something dangerous to him, I assume.

Makes sense.

It's also why it's important that Denken went "I can take this guy" rather than "Yep, I'm screwed."

In this manga, if someone thinks he's got a shot, he's got a shot.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Hypocrisy posted:

Oh wow, the way Serie gives away complicated magic... It makes a surprising amount of sense. I really liked the call back to Serie's one spell prize. Makes perfect sense given what we've learned about Denken.

Macht is already reversing his gold curse. Not sure what that says about the nature of demon consciousness. Or maybe he already started reversing once he realized he was turning to gold?


Yeah, I really liked that we found out what Denken asked for and how he got it.

I hope Denken just straight up slugs Macht.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Captain Invictus posted:

Should just shoot him in the face while he's reversing the magic

:emptyquote:

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
Volume 5 gets officially published in English tomorrow but it’s probably already on shelves at bookstores that sell manga. I picked up my copy today

RuBisCO
May 1, 2009

This is definitely not a lie



thetoughestbean posted:

Volume 5 gets officially published in English tomorrow but it’s probably already on shelves at bookstores that sell manga. I picked up my copy today

I got my copy delivered to me last week! Book stores don't give a poo poo and will send things out as soon as their warehouses get them. It's refreshing, coming from video games.

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

New chapter dropped a few hours ago, it's very good.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Somewhere nearby, a bard plucks a few chords to warm his fingers, and clears his throat. "Alright good fellows, this next tune? It's called Rip and Tear."

Scallop Eyes
Oct 16, 2021
Was that pure mana attack the same that Frieren used in the doppelganger fight?

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~
Chapter 97 for those who want a link.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
I wonder if Macht will turn on Solitar because he wants his gold magic to be reversed.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Everyone in this manga is a freak of nature, i love it. The gang powering through solitar's bullshit, shattering the unshatterable barrier, freiran decursing herself while frozen, the priest using a spell so you dont need to eat or breathe for 2 months, the works


Donkringel posted:

I wonder if Macht will turn on Solitar because he wants his gold magic to be reversed.

It would be fun if it was an act of active Malice, thus killing him

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

rannum posted:

Everyone in this manga is a freak of nature, i love it. The gang powering through solitar's bullshit, shattering the unshatterable barrier, freiran decursing herself while frozen, the priest using a spell so you dont need to eat or breathe for 2 months, the works

It would be fun if it was an act of active Malice, thus killing him

What, no love for the dwarf casually going "I could crush diamond with my hand?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Lt. Lizard posted:

What, no love for the dwarf casually going "I could crush diamond with my hand?

Nag, no one was surprised by that.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Lt. Lizard posted:

What, no love for the dwarf casually going "I could crush diamond with my hand?

Uncle Rico confirmed dwarf.

Or a first class mage.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Diamonds are notoriously brittle. Never heard the expression "Shattered like a diamond"?

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

cant cook creole bream posted:

Diamonds are notoriously brittle. Never heard the expression "Shattered like a diamond"?

That doesn’t mean a normal person could crush one in their hand though

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono
What if I held a rock in my hand with the diamond? I could definitely break it. That's the limit of these elves; imagination!

Rabid Boar
Apr 16, 2020

Soon, all of you will feel my hate, and suffer as I have suffered!
I could easily crush a diamond in my hand

Vizuyos
Jun 17, 2020

Thank U for reading

If you hated it...
FUCK U and never come back
It's not really about whether they can or can't crush a diamond. It's whether they can take one glance at a diamond and instantly feel, without even thinking about it, "yeah I could totally crush that thing".

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

RatHat posted:

That doesn’t mean a normal person could crush one in their hand though

Spoken like someone who can't crush a diamond in their hand.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
so teenagers have the most magical potential due to being dumb as poo poo.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

so teenagers have the most magical potential due to being dumb as poo poo.

Isn't Ubel (cut magic girl) basically proof of that concept? :v:

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Child falls into world with magic; becomes nigh unstoppable







Oh wait, that's just Undertale with more steps

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



RareAcumen posted:

Child falls into world with magic; becomes nigh unstoppable







Oh wait, that's just Undertale with more steps

The problem is you need to be able to concretely imagine how you do something in addition to believing it's possible. In other words, you need the methodical mind of an adult, and the unshakable confidence of a small child. It's a rare combination.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

I'm doing it right now

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RangerKarl
Oct 7, 2013

chiasaur11 posted:

The problem is you need to be able to concretely imagine how you do something in addition to believing it's possible. In other words, you need the methodical mind of an adult, and the unshakable confidence of a small child. It's a rare combination.

have you seen most software engineers

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