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Zeruel posted:have we seen the murdering the elementals do? like, are those rock golems and treants "the Elementals?" i'll fight them I don't give a drat 
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Augus posted:Dragoon’s 2.0 story was alright, mainly because it introduced Estinien It's a good episode of The Estinien Show starring Estinien, but I don't like it as a job quest. In all the other ARR ones except Monk you have some sort of rapport with the characters involved, your pursuit of the job is an influencing factor in what they do. ARR dragoon is being invited to join a friend's family for dinner, then they start fighting and you really should just excuse yourself and run.
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Jul 27, 2022 07:41
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I liked the THM/BLM story pretty well. Benefits heavily from the Thaumaturge's Guild being run by a bunch of insane lalafell.
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Jul 27, 2022 07:46
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Standing there and doing absolutely nothing while that lala opens the jar or whatever in the THM questline is the craziest poo poo that happens in this entire game.
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Jul 27, 2022 07:47
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 On light armour gland, I really like the forager vest or whatever the level 50 crafted gatherer set is. Needs some dye but if you do it looks like a cool armoured vest, and it shows neckwear so you can get some really cool looks with chokers, those metal armour plates and the redbill scarf
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Jul 27, 2022 07:55
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Zeruel posted:have we seen the murdering the elementals do? like, are those rock golems and treants "the Elementals?" i'll fight them I don't give a drat I sadly couldn't find a recorded clip of it happening on screen but in 1.0/pre-calamity they could just straight up delete/disintegrate people. It was called the Greenwrath.
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Jul 27, 2022 08:08
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Zeruel posted:have we seen the murdering the elementals do? like, are those rock golems and treants "the Elementals?" i'll fight them I don't give a drat It was a significant part of the Gridania story in 1.0. Vargs posted:Standing there and doing absolutely nothing while that lala opens the jar or whatever in the THM questline is the craziest poo poo that happens in this entire game. THM is a story that works best if you either do it first, or can suspend your disbelief hard enough to just assume the player character is a novice adventurer during it. A succubus is actually one of the most dangerous voidsent an average person might come across... but the fact Haukke Manor has us beat up a couple of them pretty quickly caps their threat to us.
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Jul 27, 2022 08:11
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I basically just take the headcanon that my WoL is constantly chanting a mantra of “switching jobs defeats the whole point of trying to learn this one” whenever something comes up that would be utterly trivial for them to deal with ordinarily.
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Jul 27, 2022 08:18
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I sadly couldn't find a recorded clip of it happening on screen but in 1.0/pre-calamity they could just straight up delete/disintegrate people. It was called the Greenwrath. that's hosed up. we need to stamp these Elementals out before they become strong enough to do that again
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Jul 27, 2022 08:24
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Zeruel posted:that's hosed up. we need to stamp these Elementals out before they become strong enough to do that again Ah yes, let's roll in on this society we don't like because they have a magic threat beyond our control that we have to stomp out. Sounding real Garlean in here.
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Jul 27, 2022 08:26
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How much I feel I should just change to a higher job depends on the job quest. If I'm a conjurer cleansing the taint it makes perfect sense that I have to use conjury to do it. If there's some evil monk who I can't possibly beat unless I can open as many chakras as him, well I can summon bahamut that should do the job
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Jul 27, 2022 08:27
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Vargs posted:Standing there and doing absolutely nothing while that lala opens the jar or whatever in the THM questline is the craziest poo poo that happens in this entire game. I just did this and laughed so hard. THM at 15 ain't exciting.
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Jul 27, 2022 08:44
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Wrestlepig posted:
Have you talked to a chirurgeon?
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DanielCross posted:Ah yes, let's roll in on this society we don't like because they have a magic threat beyond our control that we have to stomp out. they wouldnt allow ala mhigan refugees to settle for literally no reason after garlemald invaded (as far as i remember). there's a cult surrounding the grooming of magical teenagers to enforce their elemental rule on Gridania, and then exiling them if they make the slightest mistake or step outside what the elementals want. and im sure they probably do other racist bullshit against the duskwight. the elementals suck! e: yeah ok fair enough, im just having fun with it. i don't really have a chocobo in this race. Zeruel fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Zeruel posted:they wouldnt allow ala mhigan refugees to settle for literally no reason after garlemald invaded (as far as i remember). there's a cult surrounding the grooming of magical teenagers to enforce their elemental rule on Gridania, and then exiling them if they make the slightest mistake or step outside what the elementals want. and im sure they probably do other racist bullshit against the duskwight. the elementals suck! They didn't let Ala Mighan refugees settle because they remember the last time Ala Mighan's came to the Shroud it was to invade and conquer. The Elementals don't really have concepts of individuals, one Ala Mighan is every Ala Mighan, in their understanding of the world. The fact you can show them otherwise means they're not unreasonable (as you can help them understand and recognise individuals). The Elementals are the literal natives of the Shroud, everyone else came later. It's blue and orange morality, the point of the Speakers is to help the Elementals and Mortals understand eachother. Which has its own issues because the Speakers can in fact straight up lie for their own agendas anyway. Like, to be straight up clear the forming of the Eorzean Alliance was in response to Ala Mighan aggression during the Autumn War. Which is only 100 years ago basically, it's within "living" memory for some people. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Jul 27, 2022 08:56
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Yeah, a major part of the Ala Mhigan refugee crisis is that Ala Mhigo and Gridania have a ton of historical bad blood, mostly because of Ala Mhigan aggression, and the last war (~100 years or so back, so out of mortal living memory, but definitely not out of the Elementals') involved substantial damage to the forest, iirc? I believe the Stormblood Bard line goes into this in-depth, but the point is that, as hateful as the treatment of Ala Mhigan refugees in the Shroud is, there is some reason behind it other than "Gridania sucks and is racist." (I mean, Gridania's racism is definitely sucky and real, but it's not the whole point here.)
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Qwertycoatl posted:How much I feel I should just change to a higher job depends on the job quest. If I'm a conjurer cleansing the taint it makes perfect sense that I have to use conjury to do it. If there's some evil monk who I can't possibly beat unless I can open as many chakras as him, well I can summon bahamut that should do the job I generally do fine with not thinking abou this stuff, and it mostly just depends on respect for the story for me. If I like the angle the story is taking, I wouldn't try to break it. The only job quest I started thinking about this with is Reaper. I just kept thinking when fighting Orcus 'what if I turned up with a gun and just shot him in the face'.
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Lord_Magmar posted:The fact you can show them otherwise means they're not unreasonable (as you can help them understand and recognise individuals). The Elementals are the literal natives of the Shroud, everyone else came later. It's blue and orange morality, the point of the Speakers is to help the Elementals and Mortals understand eachother. Which has its own issues because the Speakers can in fact straight up lie for their own agendas anyway.
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Jul 27, 2022 09:47
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the people who get murder boners for the elementals are hilarious because they're basically real life ghibli movie villains and they seem completely unaware of it
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Zeruel posted:have we seen the murdering the elementals do? like, are those rock golems and treants "the Elementals?" i'll fight them I don't give a drat Yeah, I'm not afraid of the magical equivalent of squirrels and deer. I've fought actual deer more intimidating than the golems and treants. e: I can't be a ghibli movie villain, I understand the nature and origins of leather. That I tan myself. After harvesting myself. By throwing bombs at animals. Dareon fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Zeruel posted:have we seen the murdering the elementals do? like, are those rock golems and treants "the Elementals?" i'll fight them I don't give a drat in 1.0, iirc. some dude is like "the elementals are a lie and i'll prove it by setting their special tree on fire!" and they fuckin' thanos snap him and then the particular elemental he pissed off starts taking it too far and the others engage you to stop it because it turns out they're not unreasonable
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Itzena posted:Does La Hee land have Elementals show up anywhere, or just the guardian animal-gods? No, the Elementals appear to be Source Natives, but did live in the Shroud pretty much before any of the modern mortals did. They're a bit like the Twelve that way I guess (The Twelve also only exist on the Source). Also worth noting they don't appear to be solely local to the Shroud, given the Viera in FFXIV still follow the Greenword and commune with the jungle of Golmore in a way that makes it clear something is there, and that something can probably performt he Greenwrath same as the Shroud Elementals. They're even equally serious about being isolationist, if not more so, given Viera who live the Jungles are exiled on pain of death (because they're now outsiders, and any outsider who harms the forest is to be put to death, and entering the forest can be a form of harm). Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Jul 27, 2022 09:53
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but yeah the elementals don't have a high opinion of ala mhigans due to the whole, you know, setting the forest on fire as part of a war of expansion thing. talking about "living memory" is also funny given that we have a job quest line an entire expansion dealing with the fallout of that poo poo when half the cast weren't born yet or children when it occured
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Lord_Magmar posted:No, the Elementals appear to be Source Natives, but did live in the Shroud pretty much before any of the modern mortals did. They're a bit like the Twelve that way I guess (The Twelve also only exist on the Source). Eureka also has Elementals, so they seem to just naturally crop up where aether's kinda wild.
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Cleretic posted:Eureka also has Elementals, so they seem to just naturally crop up where aether's kinda wild. Are they elementals, or big E forest Elementals? Because elemental incarnations of aetheric types is a bit different from the actual living forest god Elementals.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Are they elementals, or big E forest Elementals? Because elemental incarnations of aetheric types is a bit different from the actual living forest god Elementals. Hard to tell, neither is especially communicative, but they do have the exact same character model.
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Oneiros posted:the people who get murder boners for the elementals are hilarious because they're basically real life ghibli movie villains and they seem completely unaware of it Oneiros posted:in 1.0, iirc. some dude is like "the elementals are a lie and i'll prove it by setting their special tree on fire!" and they fuckin' thanos snap him
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This is really loving good.
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Nessus posted:A lot of people come to these games with the pre-existing idea that It's About Killing God/Gods even though the actual words and material presented in the story says "You Aren't Literally Killing Literal, Actual Gods As Gods Are Understood." The Elementals are more understandable than most even if I think some of this is just a trope translation thing. Punching out God for the Crimes he has committed is a time-honored tradition, it doesn't matter if it's Actual God or just a God as seen by the zeitgeist. Although on that note, I'm pretty sure I got spoiled on something fairly major by a random goddamn Triple Triad tournament. A Hydaelyn card, portraying a humanoid, with a Primal clan tag. No one tell me what that actually references, I don't even want to be reassured like "Don't worry, you don't fight it." By the time I actually hit it, I'll probably have forgotten the card. e: but it does make entirely too much goddamn sense with what I know.
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Bruceski posted:It's a good episode of The Estinien Show starring Estinien, but I don't like it as a job quest. In all the other ARR ones except Monk you have some sort of rapport with the characters involved, your pursuit of the job is an influencing factor in what they do. ARR dragoon is being invited to join a friend's family for dinner, then they start fighting and you really should just excuse yourself and run. Plus the gameplay is very disconnected and samey, it's almost 100% planned tests fighting against the same monsters over and over. And sure that's how most ARR classes play out in effect, but it's completely lacking in anything to dress it up as anything more.
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Hi I’m the 1.0/ARR writers here to make you take a mandatory break from your quest to track down four chests containing 4/5 of your AF gear. We won’t hand you the chest piece until 50. Have fun looking like a doofus.
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Dareon posted:Punching out God for the Crimes he has committed is a time-honored tradition, it doesn't matter if it's Actual God or just a God as seen by the zeitgeist. I had the same worry for the same reason (thanks, triple triad) but I can safely say that I jumped to some wrong conclusions and was happy by the time everything wrapped up
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Thanks for glam love and tips, I made the Bard pic around the time CC had come out and the thread helped me feel out how good Bard is.Bruceski posted:Jealous... Nice, nice, and thank you!
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I'm replaying Shadowbringers with my SO on an alt, and it turns out that the Skywatcher in the Crystarium will straight-up show the weather for Garlemald, Sharlayan, Labyrinthos, Thavnair, and Radz-at-Han well before you reach Endwalker.
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I'd be willing to say they might show it on a fresh character in uldah, gridania or Limsa
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hopeandjoy posted:Hi I’m the 1.0/ARR writers here to make you take a mandatory break from your quest to track down four chests containing 4/5 of your AF gear. We won’t hand you the chest piece until 50. Have fun looking like a doofus. I was so happy when I got to the one exception for this: Scholar, where it turns out we don't actually have any surviving Nymian gear but we have some patterns, so go buy yourself some new clothes! You know, like a regular person!
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the problem with the elementals is that you only really come in contact with them when they're either part of a problem, responsible for a problem, or refusing to help with a problem unless sufficiently buttered up. ostensibly the elementals are also responsible for things like good harvests so that gridanians don't have to go hungry, but that's fairly invisible to the player and half the elemental storylines are about every other tree constantly getting tainted up so you're not even sure they're strong enough to do anything positive or beneficial my favourite elemental thing is (stormblood white mage and endwalker tank role quest spoilers) you have one storyline about one kid despairing because she really doesn't want to be a padjal, but she has to come to terms with it because you can't just stop being one, and then another storyline where a kid really thrives on being a padjal, but then makes a mistakes and gets punished by being un-padjal'ed, so he later succumbs to despair. the devs just never really bothered making any storylines that showcase gridanians and elementals having a symbiotic relationship outside of very early lipservicey bits, so over a long enough timeframe they're just gonna seem like absolute dicks
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Zeruel posted:I'd be willing to say they might show it on a fresh character in uldah, gridania or Limsa Nope. There's a quest in crystarium where your fairy king buddy unlocks the ability for all skywatchers to know what all other skywatchers see. You can only see the local area before that.
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a cartoon duck posted:the problem with the elementals is that you only really come in contact with them when they're either part of a problem, responsible for a problem, or refusing to help with a problem unless sufficiently buttered up. ostensibly the elementals are also responsible for things like good harvests so that gridanians don't have to go hungry, but that's fairly invisible to the player and half the elemental storylines are about every other tree constantly getting tainted up so you're not even sure they're strong enough to do anything positive or beneficial Yeah the Endwalker role quest thing made me very much not like the elementals. It's pretty much "help us fix the mess you made for the sake of both of our survival" to which the elementals say "no" until you twist their arm a bunch proving yourself or whatever and so they come through at the last minute.
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