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Anyway the 1% vat increase is still a weird proposal because the ecb can print all of the money, and quite frankly a green new deal can be argued to fall into their prime mandate of price stability. Its certainly falls under the support of the unions general economic policies. Actually, a lot of stuff does.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Now that would be an interesting graph.  Usage shows the same trend of strong increases in renewable energy.
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Where's all the other sources for comparison.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Anyway the 1% vat increase is still a weird proposal because the ecb can print all of the money, and quite frankly a green new deal can be argued to fall into their prime mandate of price stability. Its certainly falls under the support of the unions general economic policies. With inflation being what it is I'm not sure that getting ecb to print more money is very feasible right now. If anything they are already far, far less aggressive than the Fed or the BoE.
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Private Speech posted:With inflation being what it is I'm not sure that getting ecb to print more money is very feasible right now. If anything they are already far, far less aggressive than the Fed or the BoE. Its extremelly feasible, it would just depend if the powers that be think that inflation is caused by an excess of money supply,and not because of catastrophic failures in the supply chain or that most comodities markets work not based on reality and more on vibes.
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https://twitter.com/vseviov/status/1552045726196273153 Can you guys expand, provide background on this?
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Thats just the us saying shits about to get real, they are messing with their bottom line now.
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Blut posted:I never said Germany got rid of fossil fuels, thats a rather odd strawman of your own creation. I said that Germany didn't, in fact, "hate getting rid of fossil fuels" and had taken major steps along the process of doing so. Should've just lead with a graph showing actual primary energy use.
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This doesn't show usage numbers, only relative usage percentage, which says nothing about what you are claiming. Germany could at some point generate 99% of their energy from renewable sources and still use more fossil fuels than they did in the past.
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I believe the light blue / left axis values provide the raw TWh usage numbers?
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They have actual generation data available here: https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electricity-data/chart/power_generation/25.07.2022/28.07.2022/today/ Seems like it's about ~55%-60% renewable for a few hours a day when it's very sunny and reasonably windy. 
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mobby_6kl posted:They have actual generation data available here: https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electricity-data/chart/power_generation/25.07.2022/28.07.2022/today/ well in the winter you have more wind it can go up to 90% of consumption
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So.... I am surprised that this thread isn't more active. Are we going to reach Winter with just "wash less often and remember to From what I gather from the Austrian press, the government is just waiting to see what Germany decides, so they can coordinate. The neutrality in the constitution might help but I'm not counting on it. Will they finally start Zwentendorf NPP? (LOL no)
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Dawncloack posted:So.... I am surprised that this thread isn't more active. So I've been trying to read up on what's been going on (I'm American) so I don't really know much about your guys' situation. But I came across this reddit thread, which seem to suggest at the top that some progress or milestone had been made about 3 months ago? Can anyone expand on that? Also, as to the bolded above I also found this in that thread which seemed funny. Is this accurate? 
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Dawncloack posted:So.... I am surprised that this thread isn't more active. I have 6 cubic meters of firewood I made myself and I will buy two more to be sure. Not much else can be done, this is the situation europe got itself into, till take a decade to get out of it even if they started a mass nuclear rollout today.
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Dawncloack posted:So.... I am surprised that this thread isn't more active. And then we wait for the next spring. Dunno if you're asking for a German-centric point of view, the Italian one is that there's no reason to think any new government we'll have in the coming months will survive this winter, much less offer any kind of help.
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Any perspective is good. The Spanishone seems to be "lol gently caress Germany,here's some energy conservation window dressing".
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I saw Spanish government say the'yll force to switch lights in shops and keep temperatures in offices below 20°C. https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1650485/spain-holidays-switch-lights-off-energy-saving-latest The whole European point of view is "we can't do anything", it seems. Here in Italy we're trying to forecast how much unemployment this winter will create.
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Dawncloack posted:So.... I am surprised that this thread isn't more active. In Belgium we heard about Germany lowering the temperature in swimming pools to save on energy. Some politicians said that maybe we should follow that example, and perhaps lower the thermostat in all municipal buildings. The response was "if we leave our citizens in the cold, we won't have their support." So basically we'll be doing nothing until the gas suddenly runs out and we have to cut everything to minimum, instead of gradually reducing our dependency.
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Gort posted:Why are you reading the Express, it's garbage I do not have any idea of what reputation the Expert has. It was the first search result and I wanted to post some kind of source. Here is another one https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-order-temperature-limit-business-energy-saving-decree/
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Char posted:I do not have any idea of what reputation the Expert has. It was the first search result and I wanted to post some kind of source. Fair enough but also express is the paper with a logo of a crusader knight with an English flag on his braced shield and is read by people who think that's really cool and good.  e: Used to be the most fash rag by far but they were bought by a liberal-leaning publisher few years back and so now are merely competing with Spectator and the Daily Mail for the top spot. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Aug 5, 2022 |
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I'm not sure what the price projections are in other countries but in the UK some of them are suggesting average electricity&gas prices of £500 a month+ this winter. If that happens it'll have a massive negative impact on the quality of life for the bottom 80% of society. I would hope it'll lead to enough civil unrest to force governments across Europe to implement measures to help the poorest in society cope, but...thats probably desperately optimistic.
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Dawncloack posted:Any perspective is good. The Spanishone seems to be " Ftfy
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^^^ yeah,p. much. The measures are the weakest sauce imaginable, but the RW media machine is in full force and with all the accumulated experience of Covid. The content, friends. The content.
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I am on 100% renewable energy according to my supplier, so only wind, solar and water energy? I guess, I never looked into it too deeply because I am dumb as a bag of bricks. But what I don't really get is that the prices for these 'clean' energy sources seem to be skyrocketing as hard as gas and coal. The sad thing is I don't know if I should try to get a new contract under these current conditions or try and wait it out, when under these current conditions I'm already living frugally. It seems very selfish but it's giving me a lot of anxiety and I feel extremely dumb for being like this.
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An insane mind posted:I am on 100% renewable energy according to my supplier, so only wind, solar and water energy? I guess, I never looked into it too deeply because I am dumb as a bag of bricks. But what I don't really get is that the prices for these 'clean' energy sources seem to be skyrocketing as hard as gas and coal. The sad thing is I don't know if I should try to get a new contract under these current conditions or try and wait it out, when under these current conditions I'm already living frugally. It seems very selfish but it's giving me a lot of anxiety and I feel extremely dumb for being like this. As far as I know all electricity is simply priced as electricity on the open consumer market, where it comes from has no bearing on the price at the point in the market where consumers can actually buy it.
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Zudgemud posted:As far as I know all electricity is simply priced as electricity on the open consumer market, where it comes from has no bearing on the price at the point in the market where consumers can actually buy it. Blut posted:I'm not sure what the price projections are in other countries but in the UK some of them are suggesting average electricity&gas prices of £500 a month+ this winter. If that happens it'll have a massive negative impact on the quality of life for the bottom 80% of society.
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It's disgusting how most European governments are content to let energy companies rack up record profits (which then go to fat cat shareholders) and are then basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, "maybe we'll lower taxes on your energy bill somewhat" to their populations. At least the Greens here suggested a one time surplus profit tax, but they're just one part of the ruling coalition - the rest is mostly politicians who identify with owners of swimming pools that have net monthly wages of €7K a month (because they are in that same group).
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Dawncloack posted:^^^ yeah,p. much. The measures are the weakest sauce imaginable, but the RW media machine is in full force and with all the accumulated experience of Covid. Yep, the whole affair has been stupid as hell and it's only going to get worse.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:It's disgusting how most European governments are content to let energy companies rack up record profits (which then go to fat cat shareholders) and are then basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, "maybe we'll lower taxes on your energy bill somewhat" to their populations. At least the Greens here suggested a one time surplus profit tax, but they're just one part of the ruling coalition - the rest is mostly politicians who identify with owners of swimming pools that have net monthly wages of €7K a month (because they are in that same group). It's also really fun to switch to green energy and then having to be dragged down by the same people who resisted green transition until RUSSIA because all electricity is priced in the same way. The free market!
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Pope Hilarius II posted:It's disgusting how most European governments are content to let energy companies rack up record profits (which then go to fat cat shareholders) and are then basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, "maybe we'll lower taxes on your energy bill somewhat" to their populations. And when they do better, fun things still happen: https://www.ilpost.it/2022/08/05/draghi-extraprofitti-aziende-energia In short, the Draghi government has levied a special one-time tax on the profits of energy companies, with the first payment due by July  However, only about 12% of the expected money came in, because most of the companies are betting that the decree will be judged unconstitutional or invalidated (some of their reasons aren't totally absurd, to be fair), and they figure it's better to pay late filing fees if the tax sticks than to try and get their money back if it gets annulled 
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To be fair even the Parliamentary Budget Office report didn't seem optimistic about getting those full 10 billion, as the question of whether the tax on extra profits can be deducted from IRES, which I would translate as the italian income tax for companies, remained open. Per the report, if it were actually deductible it would put the total possible revenue from the tax at around 3 bn euros, and I think it's a fair bet that the companies expect to contest the tax in court on the grounds that it should be deductible. A far cry from the 10 bn the government was touting apparently unchallenged? Thank god we soft couped ourselves so we could be ruled by our betters and not the previous incompetent buffoons who seemingly cannot even design their tax schemes right, no?
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Pope Hilarius II posted:It's disgusting how most European governments are content to let energy companies rack up record profits (which then go to fat cat shareholders) and are then basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, "maybe we'll lower taxes on your energy bill somewhat" to their populations. At least the Greens here suggested a one time surplus profit tax, but they're just one part of the ruling coalition - the rest is mostly politicians who identify with owners of swimming pools that have net monthly wages of €7K a month (because they are in that same group). Spain is rising benefits tax by 5% to energy companies, but we’ll see whether it sticks.
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