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Vinny Possum posted:Anyone got recommendations for podcasts about all the crazy cultural, political, and religious stuff going on in the late 60's and the 70s? Last podcasts series on MK Ultra.
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Listening to Blowback Season 3 at work, on Ep 5. Lmao, just lmao the tankies were right again.
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Jul 27, 2022 02:54
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Quarterroys posted:Not a podcast, but Rick Perlstein’s 4 books on the rise of the modern conservative movement in audiobook form are great for this period. Primarily through the lens of the rise of Goldwater, Nixon and Reagan, but plenty of detail on the religious right, campus riots, etc. Nixonland is extremely good.
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Jul 27, 2022 03:53
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Is The Classicist by Victor Davis Hanson any good?
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Jul 27, 2022 03:59
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CommonShore posted:Is The Classicist by Victor Davis Hanson any good? Viktor Davis Hanson has some real dumb ideas about war, I read one of his books once. No idea on his podcast though.
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Jul 27, 2022 06:30
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SerCypher posted:Viktor Davis Hanson has some real dumb ideas about war, I read one of his books once. the person who recommended the podcast put "he has written lots of books" front and centre so I'll pass. Out of curiosity, what flavour of dumb ideas?
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Jul 27, 2022 15:44
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Hanson is a neo-con who thinks the West's superiority to lesser peoples can be traced to the fact that the ancient Greeks fought in formations with big shields and spears. If that sort of thing appeals to you, hey, enjoy.
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Jul 27, 2022 17:45
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Cessna posted:Hanson is a neo-con who thinks the West's superiority to lesser peoples can be traced to the fact that the ancient Greeks fought in formations with big shields and spears. oof
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Jul 27, 2022 19:18
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Yep. This is not an exaggeration, by the way, it's the thesis of his best known book, The Western Way of War. His outlooks regarding modern politics are significantly worse.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:52
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yea Hanson's a huge piece of poo poo, even if somehow you're not just base level offended and turned off by the western chauvinism as a concept he's just a really dumb guy who's points all circle around the same 'WHEN WEST DO THING, GOOD, WHEN OTHER BROWN PEOPLE DO THING, BAD. WHEN WEST DO BAD, IT BECAUSE BROWN PEOPLE MAKE THEM" poo poo you can find any idiot on facebook spewing, just completely not worth paying attention to even if somehow you're in this thread and a huge fan of western chauvinism.
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Jul 27, 2022 22:32
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Cessna posted:Yep. Yeah... I read carnage and culture, and it was all very cherry picked stuff. Also a heaping of orientalism when dealing with anything east of greece.
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Jul 27, 2022 22:53
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Mantis42 posted:Listening to Blowback Season 3 at work, on Ep 5. I'm on episode 3 and it's real good so far
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Jul 28, 2022 02:31
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Even though I had awareness of the vague shot going on in Korea, and it perfectly mirrors how the west just rebranded Nazis as the EU and NATO, still mouth agape at the first half of Blow Back.
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Jul 28, 2022 17:29
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Mantis42 posted:Listening to Blowback Season 3 at work, on Ep 5. Never heard of the podcast, but I assume if you're on season 3 then the first two were good and accurate?
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Jul 28, 2022 20:58
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kiminewt posted:Never heard of the podcast, but I assume if you're on season 3 then the first two were good and accurate? Blowback is extremely good and accurate, yea. They hang out with/are shitposters but they genuinely do very good historical work using primary sources/interviews. Hard recommend for all three seasons, if you don't want to pay 25 bucks for the full season 3 early 1 and 2 will for sure fill the wait. I'm so glad they did Korea, like they go in to on the show the whole 'forgotten war' thing is such a self serving narrative. We get to boo-hoo and pretend it's about ~respecting the sacrifice~ when we talk about how 'forgotten' Korea is but it's really just going 'hey don't worry about looking too much into who invaded who and who did genocide on what half of the country, it's all forgotten'.
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Jul 28, 2022 21:03
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sexpig by night posted:I'm so glad they did Korea, like they go in to on the show the whole 'forgotten war' thing is such a self serving narrative. We get to boo-hoo and pretend it's about ~respecting the sacrifice~ when we talk about how 'forgotten' Korea is but it's really just going 'hey don't worry about looking too much into who invaded who and who did genocide on what half of the country, it's all forgotten'. Okay, I'm sold.
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Jul 28, 2022 21:17
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The creation of the 38th parallel is nuts. Two dudes who never looked at a map were due to submit the boundary the next day so they did it at the last minute with a National Geographic mag. Also like 100,000 Koreans had been killed by the southern occupation force well before the start of the war.
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Jul 29, 2022 00:29
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Vinny Possum posted:Anyone got recommendations for podcasts about all the crazy cultural, political, and religious stuff going on in the late 60's and the 70s? Tom O Neil’s Chaos had a great audio version.
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Jul 29, 2022 00:30
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Danger posted:The creation of the 38th parallel is nuts. Two dudes who never looked at a map were due to submit the boundary the next day so they did it at the last minute with a National Geographic mag. yea I hope you're ready to absolutely crack-ping from episode one on this poo poo, Korea was such a hilariously evil staging ground for the modern intelligence/military state. Basically everything we did in other wars that was horrible we did to Korea. Like, they really do sum it up perfectly from the start. This was a civil war that had been going on since the post war period and then we rolled in and made it worse because we needed to put the commies in their place (their place was, apparently, killing the poo poo out of american soldiers, woops)
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Jul 29, 2022 00:43
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Blowback season 2 had some fairly fringe conspiracy stuff about the JFK assassination in relation to Cuba, the CIA and Oswald if I remember correctly? But yeah it's generally a pretty good podcast - season 2 is about the Six Day Crisis aka the October Crisis aka the Cuban Missile Crisis (and how it was a direct result of CIA attempts to overthrow Castro and destablize Cuba). Season 1 was about the second Iraq War and that whole complete clusterfuck: Curveball, WMDs, Colin Powell, etc. Definitely looking forward to listening through season 3, though I'm just waiting for it to eventually drop on Apple Podcasts.
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Jul 29, 2022 01:37
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webmeister posted:Blowback season 2 had some fairly fringe conspiracy stuff about the JFK assassination in relation to Cuba, the CIA and Oswald if I remember correctly? Yeah but that was at least limited to one episode, IIRC. Season 2 also had a lot of great interview bonus episodes with actual Cuban diplomats and historians and stuff.
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Jul 29, 2022 15:11
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webmeister posted:Blowback season 2 had some fairly fringe conspiracy stuff about the JFK assassination in relation to Cuba, the CIA and Oswald if I remember correctly? in fairness, the JFK assassination is something i'm suuuper patient about conspiracy theories for. all the poo poo around it is objectively Weird as Hell
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Jul 29, 2022 18:13
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Lady Radia posted:in fairness, the JFK assassination is something i'm suuuper patient about conspiracy theories for. all the poo poo around it is objectively Weird as Hell There wasn't a shooter at all. His head just did that
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Jul 29, 2022 19:10
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Arrhythmia posted:There wasn't a shooter at all. His head just did that Nuh uh, there was a shooter and he was hiding inside JFK’s head
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Jul 29, 2022 19:24
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Arrhythmia posted:There wasn't a shooter at all. His head just did that
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Jul 29, 2022 19:25
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Lady Radia posted:in fairness, the JFK assassination is something i'm suuuper patient about conspiracy theories for. all the poo poo around it is objectively Weird as Hell My thinking is that if you analyzed literally any event with that level of scrutiny and detail it would seem Weird as Hell.
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Jul 29, 2022 19:32
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feedmyleg posted:My thinking is that if you analyzed literally any event with that level of scrutiny and detail it would seem Weird as Hell. Jokes aside, that’s true for a lot of events, such as the uvalde texas mass shooting Not that the cops didnt gently caress it up entirely, but if every cop fuckup story got reported on as thoroughly as uvalde did, we would hear about the cops being bizarrely useless and cowardly and lovely at all times
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Jul 29, 2022 19:35
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feedmyleg posted:My thinking is that if you analyzed literally any event with that level of scrutiny and detail it would seem Weird as Hell. there's an element of truth here, but the ENTIRE THING with Jack Ruby?
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Jul 30, 2022 03:49
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Lady Radia posted:in fairness, the JFK assassination is something i'm suuuper patient about conspiracy theories for. all the poo poo around it is objectively Weird as Hell My favorite JFK theory is the one that the headshot was actually a secret service agent making a gargantuan oopsie.
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Jul 30, 2022 04:34
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Just putting Allen Dulles in charge of the investigation.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:48
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Acebuckeye13 posted:My favorite JFK theory is the one that the headshot was actually a secret service agent making a gargantuan oopsie. This is at least a more compelling explanation for Huey Long's assassination in terms of his personal bodyguard
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Jul 30, 2022 18:00
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kiminewt posted:Never heard of the podcast, but I assume if you're on season 3 then the first two were good and accurate? Just from listening to their Chapo episode, it feels like the goal is more to dunk on the mainstream American narrative than to approach the subject with an open mind and tell the whole story, and that a lot of the praise it gets is for confirming the priors of people who are already die hard anti-imperialists. I haven't listened to the podcast itself, but when the way today's North Korean dictatorship is described is by skirting around how it's not free in the sense that most of us here in the West would be comfortable with but it's not as bad as we're told, it sure feels like one side's flaws are going to be minimized away while the other's are put under a microscope. I'm really not trying to say it's a piece of poo poo or anything, just that while I think the traditional American narrative is self serving to the point of being full of poo poo, podcasters who clearly have preconceived notions of their own speaking to an audience that they know wants to hear how bad the US is might not be the most accurate way to debunk it. That said, if you've only heard the traditional narrative before, I'm sure it'll at least be an interesting counter-narrative.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:16
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I mean, the podcast is called Blowback. It’s going to be coming from the perspective how US actions/policy came back to bite them in a bigger conflict. And they aren’t wrong either. Season 1 about the Gulf Wars goes deep into how the US armed and helped the Saddam regime in order to counter Iran and a Soviet moves in the Middle East and how putting a hard authoritarian in power (even if he’s our man) can backfire. Season 2 goes deep into the long-standing (imbalanced) relationship between the US and Cuba and how that relationship allowed a man like Castro to come to power and how the US’ staunch anti-communist stance pushed Castro into the arms of the Soviets. Did the US put the Kim regime in place in the North? No. Did they encourage the North to later create concentration camps or adopt a totalitarian state? No. But did the US create an arbitrary demarcation of Korea without thinking? Yeah. Did they support a Chinese government in exile and keep said government in exile in the China seat at the UN? Yeah. Would all those decisions come back to bite them? Yeah, it did.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:37
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I haven't listened to the podcast itself, but hmmm Well good news, if you actually listen you'll find your weird knee-jerk assumption is just typical 'you say america bad...so...you love North Korea?????????' poo poo. The topic isn't really modern North Korea, so it's pointless to expect them to spend every episode going 'and, to be clear, North Korea not perfect', if you have issue with the actual historical facts like 'the war didn't start with evil North Korea invading' and 'South Korea spent more time as a police state than North Korea' and all feel free to raise them but just going 'they don't say North Korea isn't perfect enough in an unrelated episode, seems like propaganda' is silly.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:46
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sexpig by night posted:hmmm I'm not saying it's propaganda so much as it's clearly biased. Like yeah the broader narrative Thwomp mentioned sounds reasonable, but I think it's fair to suggest people should be aware of the podcasters' open bias as they assess the show's accuracy when it comes to detail and whether the hosts might be overly credulous (or cynical) on some points. Objective history is basically impossible even with the best intentions, so I think it's good for people know what angle they're approaching the show from, and to their credit I don't think the guys making it are trying to hide that at all. I wouldn't have said I think it's a useful counterpoint to the traditional narrative if I thought they were engaged in a bad faith effort to mislead people.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:53
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Jesus christ please listen to things before you start laying out how incorrect and flawed the thing is that you have not listened to This same poo poo over it could happen here made me want to eat my own head
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I'm on episode 6 of the first (Iraq) season. The jovial tone is enough to make me listen with a grain of salt anyway. I'll see what I think when I reach season 3 (I'll probably skip the second) but I listened to the Korean War season of When Diplomacy Fails so I'm already well-versed in listening to not-exactly-mainstream takes on that.
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Jul 31, 2022 06:31
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I got to admit it’s a bold strat to just assume something is biased because it doesn’t tell the narrative you want…while never actually listening to the thing to confirm it one way or another. Like most people would have the courtesy to pretend it wasn’t just personal axe grinding. You embrace it
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Jul 31, 2022 09:12
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the real trick is claiming you've listened to the podcast you are criticising even when you haven't
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I explicitly said I haven't, but the Chapo episode was obviously a bit of a preview.
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