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the lack of color vision in the ancient world is why all the statues are bare marble
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cheetah7071 posted:I would be entirely unsurprised if there was a language where the word for blue was literally "sky colored" Also Amharic. ሰማይ (sämay) - sky, heaven ሰማያዊ (sämayawi) - of sky, heavenly, blue
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Jul 28, 2022 18:55
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Are we sure that the Mycenean Greeks didn't drink a lot of MD 20/20
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Jul 28, 2022 18:57
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cheetah7071 posted:the lack of color vision in the ancient world is why all the statues are bare marble doubling down on bad classics theories, nice
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Jul 28, 2022 19:20
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Jazerus posted:the ancient greeks actually had compound eyes, like spiders. they only lost this trait when they began intermingling with the rest of the world after alexander Well, they evolved in a cave and were accustomed to only seeing shadows on the walls, what would you expect.
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Jul 28, 2022 19:41
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Jazerus posted:the ancient greeks actually had compound eyes, like spiders. they only lost this trait when they began intermingling with the rest of the world after alexander behold, a greek: 
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Jul 28, 2022 19:50
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I'm glad we're posting a lot of truth about the Greeks today, they've gotten away with it for far too long
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Jul 28, 2022 19:56
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Is all that creepy eye stuff why they say you should beware of Greeks bearing gifts?
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Jul 28, 2022 23:48
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Bongo Bill posted:Is all that creepy eye stuff why they say you should beware of Greeks bearing gifts? That's a misquote. The real quote is you should beware of Greeks gifting bears.
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Jul 29, 2022 03:07
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ChubbyChecker posted:behold, a greek: further proof the roman empire was the height of greece's existence (~100 BCE to ~400 AD)
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Jul 29, 2022 06:22
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CoolCab posted:i will never reveal the Wu Zetian secret Protect your cravat 
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Jul 29, 2022 07:46
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My personal theory is that the ancient greeks were cynocephalic, hence the colourblindness.
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Jul 29, 2022 07:50
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The Lone Badger posted:My personal theory is that the ancient greeks were cynocephalic, hence the colourblindness. shoo, st christopher, you got decanonized
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Jul 29, 2022 08:47
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They obviously had blue wine
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Jul 29, 2022 17:25
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The Lone Badger posted:My personal theory is that the ancient greeks were cynocephalic, hence the colourblindness. If that were true, why did they write about the cynocephali as a curiosity? They would have said "In these faraway lands beyond all those seas and mountains, there live normal people just like us" and nobody would notice anything was up with those faraway people and their gold mining ants
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Jul 29, 2022 17:31
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Thus, the greeks had cat heads.
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Jul 29, 2022 17:33
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Earlier in this thread there was a question about giving up either Greek or Latin when it comes to classical studies and most people laughed at the idea of choosing to keep Latin over Greek but I didn't quite get why it was an obvious choice. Is it a love for Greek drama and poetry or nerding out over the Eastern Roman Empire or what
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Jul 29, 2022 21:58
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I don't think anyone was taking that dilemma seriously at all.
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Jul 29, 2022 22:38
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Hang on. Where did I post my Simpsons joke if it's not here?
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Jul 29, 2022 22:49
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Tulip posted:Sumeria  My school sucked and we only got French or Spanish. I really like the idea of learning Latin but it's pretty hard to motivate yourself to learn a language with no practical use. I tried with Sumerian back in college and that didn't go very far. Though there wasn't a "learn the basics wiki" back then like this so I was trying to learn everything from very academic sources.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:28
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Earlier in this thread there was a question about giving up either Greek or Latin when it comes to classical studies and most people laughed at the idea of choosing to keep Latin over Greek but I didn't quite get why it was an obvious choice. Is it a love for Greek drama and poetry or nerding out over the Eastern Roman Empire or what It's because Greek has a way older history, and also most of the Latin histories were translated and preserved in Greek anyway (you know, so the later Romans could read their own history) so you lose comparatively little. Like the one big counter case would be if you're super into the Catholic Church I guess? E: VVV that's true, though I guess in that and Catholic Church history you're pretty outside the realm of Classical Antiquity PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Jul 30, 2022 04:59
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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You get a lot of medieval and early modern texts with Latin, not just church ones
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Jul 30, 2022 05:05
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Wine-dark made me think like, a stormy sea when it's overcast that looks more dark green than blue. But yeah, look at how confusing English slang and idioms already are to English speakers (and the jokes made out of THAT) to get an idea of how translating things literally can get nonsensical quickly.
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Jul 30, 2022 09:58
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:niche question: does anyone have a lot to say itt about the history of color? a professor i knew from way back when was on the university's social media talking about how not only did homer not have a word for the color blue--he described the seas as the color of "wine dark"--but neither did ancient hebrey and assyrian texts, icelandic sagas, or hindu vedas. blue was mentioned in ancient egyptian texts though. SlothfulCobra posted:
There's a village in the Middle East where a new sign language emerged because a lot of the population was deaf and the village was isolated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Sayyid_Bedouin_Sign_Language
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Jul 30, 2022 11:16
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Alhazred posted:The vikings actually called africans "the blue men". Until fairly recently, this was also how Dutch people would sometimes refer to Indonesians. There are still contexts in which Indonesian food (or rather, a heavily Dutchified nasi) is referred to as 'blue bite' ('blauwe hap'). So I guess it's fairly common for nothern Eureopeans to describe people of color as blue
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Jul 30, 2022 12:09
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Alhazred posted:There's a village in the Middle East where a new sign language emerged because a lot of the population was deaf and the village was isolated: Nicaraguan Sign Language developed with no exposure to other sign languages (and only limited exposure to Spanish for obvious reasons) as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Sign_Language
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Jul 30, 2022 16:29
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Wine faced works as a descriptor of seas I’ve seen. It’s assigning an emotional state to the sea. Drunk and confused with a possible turn to anger.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:54
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The ocean also just looks like a dark purple at sunset sometimes.
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Jul 30, 2022 19:01
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Terrible Opinions posted:The ocean also just looks like a dark purple at sunset sometimes. Why'd you post a picture of it looking blue then?
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Jul 30, 2022 19:02
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Gaius Marius posted:Why'd you post a picture of it looking blue then? i'll cut you
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Jul 30, 2022 19:02
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I drove over the Chesapeake bay today (roughly analogous to the Mediterranean) and I honestly had no idea what color it was . They shifted
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Jul 30, 2022 19:27
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Alhazred posted:The vikings actually called africans "the blue men". It wasn't just vikings, but also other professions. When I took a class on Old Swedish, we were reading a hagiography about St. Hieronymus, where he performed a thigh (?) transplant on a man whose thigh had rotted away. The donor thigh came from a dead and buried 'blue man.' I assume the idea of a man walking around with an African's thigh was very entertaining.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:32
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https://twitter.com/GennHutchison/status/1551677318912847872 Wondering what history goons think of this thread and this general line of argument. I've always been skeptical of the notion that the 28-day calendars were period trackers because a) not everyone has a regular menstrual cycle, and wouldn't it be even less regular among non-modern populations with worse nutrition and b) wouldn't it be useful to track the moon anyway? Especially if you live anywhere near the sea?
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the lunar cycle and menstrual cycle are similar enough that I think it'd be hard to distinguish which one influenced the earliest calendars--even setting aside the likely possibility that it's just, both. 28-30 days is a division of time that helps you track the moon, menstrual cycles, and gets you a decent approximation of seasons because it's a little under one twelfth of a solar year. I highly suspect the three way correspondence between those concepts was noticed before the earliest calendars written on materials durable enough for archaeologists to recover if there's actual evidence going against that, I'm happy to be wrong though.
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ScienceSeagull posted:https://twitter.com/GennHutchison/status/1551677318912847872 The broad point, that you should totally have different perspectives involved when you are trying to figure out what the gently caress, is totally accurate and true. Though IMO its gotten way better in the past 10 years with the influx of younger archaeologists. However it's somewhat misleading and IMO falling into some of the same biases to insist that just because the purpose of the artifact or whatever is obvious to you than that is what it is. You need further testing and evidence for that. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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Jul 31, 2022 02:16
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She fell into the exact same biases that she sees male archeologists fall into with zero self awareness. Pretty funny, at some point the real answer is to try and get things in front of as many people as possible so you get an actual consensus on things from people across myriad different divides instead of just the Male/Female divide.
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Jul 31, 2022 02:23
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Also I am deeply curious if anyone can dig up that paper/report/or site card with the knives roof rafters thing. I did some light googling and basically have only found that story word for word.
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Jul 31, 2022 02:27
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Kind of reminds me of the Roman dodecahedron topic and when a woman posted a video of herself using it to knit some gloves some people saw it as proof that historians had this huge blind spot. It turns out that it probably wasn't a knitting device and like someone said above you shouldn't latch onto the first thing that makes sense to you.
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It's still a good example of the value of different perspectives, I think. Even though the knitting idea didn't hold together it was worth exploring.
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