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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Tarnop posted:

Oh yeah, my "low effort poo poo" comment was 100% directed at our recently banned bants lover.

I'm only quoting you because its the latest reference, but Cyril isn't really a bants lad, dunno what he was going for there really.

He's a nice lad with poor mental health and substance abuse issues who only got perma'd for his own good really out of lack of other options.

If you read this cyril, don't worry too much about it all. lmao I dunno

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Miftan posted:

Yeah I don't mind a few pages of dunking on really bad opinions because this thread has A LOT of lurkers, and a bunch of regulars who said this thread helped drive them left. You're not trying to convince the troll, you're preaching to any sympathetic people in the audience.

I think most of us started off as some variety of liberal at some point (except jealuni, apparently), and it's a good thing for lurkers to hear the reasons as to why specifically bad stuff is bad from a leftist perspective.

Probably helps that as a kid hippies and love n peace were the thing. one of my earliest memories about 6 years old was of following two 'big girls' home from church and they had a radio on playing a song about California and I was wondering what a California was. Wilson and Heath were the first 2 PMs I remember, Vietnam war was ongoing and every night the news would report on what 'parallels' had been taken (I had no idea what that meant at the time - lines of latitude). Cold war was at its height, we were shown those films about what to do in a nuclear attack at school and dad was in the local civil defence. ww2 ended less than 20 years earlier and rationing less than 15 years earlier so these were still quite fresh in peoples' minds. Certainly for my parents who has been kids in ww2 and had lived through the bombardments of Coventry and Birmingham. Even now (for my dad til he died) they would cringe if they hear/heard an airraid siren on TV.
I guess politics was much more in your face back then.
Maybe it's coming back to that point now with crises akin to the 70s kicking off.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Tesseraction posted:

*walking into the thread in my nightgown* wow what happened here

this cyril sneeeer guy is a rereg of a guy who was permabanned for something so bad the post was deleted and all posts quoting it were modited... anyone who saw the original post can you give a hint as to what they said that was that awful

and yes I'm home on a Friday night what of it

I forget which arc of the saga it was, maybe the one with a weird screed fantasising about killing his brother (in-law) or something?

no_one / cyril is a long time goon with every psychological problem on the bingo card, a history of domestic issues, and some bigtime chemical dependencies. they get perma'd whenever they pop up because of the nature of their posts and because this forum for all its benefits does not have the tools to help in the way that they need.

no_one through the haze you sometimes seem like an ok dude but you need to get some real help, I hope you can find a way out.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

kecske posted:

I forget which arc of the saga it was, maybe the one with a weird screed fantasising about killing his brother (in-law) or something?

no_one / cyril is a long time goon with every psychological problem on the bingo card, a history of domestic issues, and some bigtime chemical dependencies. they get perma'd whenever they pop up because of the nature of their posts and because this forum for all its benefits does not have the tools to help in the way that they need.

no_one through the haze you sometimes seem like an ok dude but you need to get some real help, I hope you can find a way out.

yeah woof, Mr Sneer I hope you find comfort and peace, and a banging track to listen to as you relax yourself to sleep every night

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/NewellFisher/status/1553124188419932160

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Tarnop posted:

I know this thread is easy to troll but this is some low effort poo poo

People always say this, but it seems like that just means people sincerely explaining or arguing against a political idea or sincerely telling a dickhead to gently caress off, neither of which seem like bad things

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!




More proof - not that it was needed - that intelligence isn't hereditary.

Niric posted:

People always say this, but it seems like that just means people sincerely explaining or arguing against a political idea or sincerely telling a dickhead to gently caress off, neither of which seem like bad things

Speaking of sincerity; Niric you make good and eloquent posts, keep it up!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It always makes me wonder because there absolutely are people who think it's "just bantz" but like, what the gently caress kind of life do you live? Granted I don't have any male friends IRL and never have but I cannot imagine the kind of relationship I would need to have where I would just talk like that with them about poo poo jesus christ.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Also since it was mentioned before a lot of people lurk this thread but don't post and I want to make it explicit that all of you are valid and should feel free to post in here, even if you just white noise post for a bit. This is a cool space for people to post both good posts and like absolute nuclear turds. It's fine. We're British, that's the national range.

Overminty
Mar 16, 2010

You may wonder what I am doing while reading your posts..

I will never post good

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

That's two of us bitch

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Miftan posted:

I think most of us started off as some variety of liberal at some point (except jealuni, apparently), and it's a good thing for lurkers to hear the reasons as to why specifically bad stuff is bad from a leftist perspective.

I've been a socialist since I was 14. 1991 was a bit of a poo poo time to realise that :corsair:

Crawshayi
May 1, 2009
On the Energy Bill rebate. I'll be in the fortunate position of this making my energy bill effectively free for 6 months. Anyone here have any good ideas of how I can help those in need over the winter?

Saw this, but don't know much about them:
https://www.fuelbankfoundation.org/

Such a god awful policy to help everyone (regardless of income), when there are genuinely people who will have to choose between energy and food for God knows how long.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

feedmegin posted:

I've been a socialist since I was 14. 1991 was a bit of a poo poo time to realise that :corsair:

whereas I was a liberal until my 20s; I was fine with New Labour and thought the Liberal Democrats were bringing a fresh breath of social progress to the national conversation

in 2010 I wasn't concerned with warnings from goons like Fluo (:rip: mate) that the Lib Dems were orange book neoliberals, because I was fine with neoliberalism.

Then I saw what it actually meant. I spent a lot of 2010-2015 undergoing political schizophrenia as I realised liberalism was a golden calf, also that God isn't real. I had a rough few years in terms of fighting cognitive dissonance

biglads
Feb 21, 2007

I could've gone to Blatherwycke



Truss will ensure the poor stay nice and toasty for the rest of their lives by burning them.

Kieth will briefly agonise about the cost-effectiveness of using petrol before demanding the burnings be sped up.

Gwaint
Oct 22, 2010

"Music is the truth. Just listen..."

Tesseraction posted:

Also since it was mentioned before a lot of people lurk this thread but don't post and I want to make it explicit that all of you are valid and should feel free to post in here, even if you just white noise post for a bit. This is a cool space for people to post both good posts and like absolute nuclear turds. It's fine. We're British, that's the national range.

:hfive:
I post like once a year cause I never feel like I've got anything to contribute, but appreciate the sentiment and love these threads. That's my white noise post for the next few months

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Crawshayi posted:

On the Energy Bill rebate. I'll be in the fortunate position of this making my energy bill effectively free for 6 months. Anyone here have any good ideas of how I can help those in need over the winter?

Saw this, but don't know much about them:
https://www.fuelbankfoundation.org/

Such a god awful policy to help everyone (regardless of income), when there are genuinely people who will have to choose between energy and food for God knows how long.

Maybe contribute to the ukmt fund? Maybe someone can give a link as I'm on phone.

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

fuctifino posted:

Oh wow. I genuinely wasn't expecting a result like this

https://twitter.com/BBCLondonNews/status/1553100566531919872

I really do hope they get round to the part where the David Cameron fetish with cutting red tape, as enforced by Eric Pickles, suppressed changes to the building regs. Ironically he is now the government's special envoy for post-Holocaust issues.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/07/eric-pickles-asks-grenfell-inquiry-not-to-waste-his-time-but-gets-death-toll-wrong

quote:

In a table, “Part B (Fire safety)” was listed as an “overall regulation out”, with estimated savings of £25.4m per year.

Cutting red tape is one of those perennial nasty ideas in British politics. The ones that wouldn't withstand 3 seconds of thoughtful consideration, but are emotive enough to capture the imagination of the whole population and propel it into doing something really stupid.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Gwaint posted:

:hfive:
I post like once a year cause I never feel like I've got anything to contribute, but appreciate the sentiment and love these threads. That's my white noise post for the next few months

Glad t'have you for the ride!

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Maybe contribute to the ukmt fund? Maybe someone can give a link as I'm on phone.

Here u go

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Endjinneer posted:

Cutting red tape is one of those perennial nasty ideas in British politics.
I saw this tweet that reminded me of the whole host of lovely books around that idea in the late 00s:
https://twitter.com/LTJStaszko/status/1552934192245358593

Huh yeah the panic around mobile phones and GMOs and Wi Fis and food chemicals and pylons and Meow Meow and nuclear power was pretty stupid, huh? Better take all the brakes off of everything so that we can burn lignite until the skies ignite and privatize air and never allow government (bad, socialist) to do anything.

Which I suppose wasn't helped at all by some government departments of the time filing serious climate change study and HAARP tinfoil nonsense into the same reporting groups, but I guess from that perspective the whole era had a bit of a feel of a clip show of bullshit.

Gwaint posted:

:hfive:
I post like once a year cause I never feel like I've got anything to contribute, but appreciate the sentiment and love these threads. That's my white noise post for the next few months
:justpost:

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1553138891028307968?cxt=HHwWgICx6fXl7Y0rAAAA
jesus christ, the details are worse than the headline

quote:

Addressing members in West Sussex on Saturday, he will say: “What’s the point in stopping the bulldozers in the green belt if we allow leftwing agitators to take a bulldozer to our history, our traditions and our fundamental values?

“Whether it’s pulling down statues of historic figures, replacing the school curriculum with anti-British propaganda or rewriting the English language so we can’t even use words like ‘man’, ‘woman’ or ‘mother’ without being told we’re offending someone?”

Sunak will say that a government led by him would review the 2010 Equality Act and associated guidance to make clear that “sex means biological sex”.

He will also pledge to put guidance on relationships and sex education on to a statutory footing to ensure children are “shielded from inappropriate material”.
literally taking up the exact same talking points that the US fundies are using to whip up a panic and overturn the last few decades of LGBTQ rights

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
the world is hosed noone can afford poo poo, hold on what did he say about trans people?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

in a desperate bid to appeal to tory voters rishi sunak addresses a crowd in blackface

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

the crowd can't tell the difference because anything darker than an Ibiza tan is African to them

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
He's going to do the whiteface act from that episode of Goodness Gracious Me but straight, then the Express will call it the real racism.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

He's going to do the whiteface act from that episode of Goodness Gracious Me but straight, then the Express will call it the real racism.

making me think of the MooD podcast episode with Nish Kumar where Edwards jokes about Kumar going on stage in whiteface with blackface on top

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Lol what a time to start realising I'm non-binary

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Surely even Tory party members can see that Rishi is badly faking this culture wars poo poo. It's so pathetic.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

HopperUK posted:

Lol what a time to start realising I'm non-binary

There's no better time than as soon as you can. Good on you and welcome to our ill-defined club

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Tesseraction posted:

There's no better time than as soon as you can. Good on you and welcome to our ill-defined club

Thanks chum!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Late night pain = another shitposting Rishi video

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1553330453574291457

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jul 30, 2022

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

fuctifino posted:

Oh wow. I genuinely wasn't expecting a result like this

https://twitter.com/BBCLondonNews/status/1553100566531919872
I know this is better than expected but still makes me fume that they’re somehow only responsible for 5 of the 72 people that died. Guess the other 67 have only themselves to blame! :mad:

Tesseraction posted:

this cyril sneeeer guy is a rereg of a guy who was permabanned for something so bad the post was deleted and all posts quoting it were modited... anyone who saw the original post can you give a hint as to what they said that was that awful
didn’t realise herostratus was a goon

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

died WITH being on fire,

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

^^^ :hmmyes:

HopperUK posted:

Lol what a time to start realising I'm non-binary
Yep. Love too discover a way of being happy only to have it snatched away by, as Trashfuture host Riley puts it, "People condescendingly preaching at you from a book they're holding upside down."

The worst thing is that they have their little issue, and they think once it's achieved everything will go back to normal and the movement will just disband. When you try to warn them they're building an engine of queerphobia the likes of which god themself has never seen, and it's not going away once the pricks stoking it have gotten what they need from it, they scoff and accuse you of calling them fascist and block you. It's far easier for them to accept that other people are malicious than it is to accept that they might be getting tricked into supporting something very, very bad.

The most heartbreaking thing is the lesbian & gay people getting conned into supporting it (they've already very much pivoted to biphobia), because they are absolutely next on the chopping block once they're done with the T, the Q and the IA, and they refuse to listen.

Those who do not listen in history get domed in detention or something, idk i wasn't paying attention.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jul 30, 2022

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I'm still numb over the details of that Rishi speech.

I guess the masks are fully off now, and it's going to be a race to see who can outfash the other. One side of me really hopes Rishi has hosed his chances and overdone it, but I have a sickening feeling that he's just going to fuel a desire by a whipped up public to see how fash they can both take things, so they'll just keep attempting to outdo each other.

loving scary times :(

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Sunak and Truss are trying to win votes from the type of people who actually pay money to be members of the Tory party. From that perspective it's a remarkably restrained speech. If Sunak were to win, unlikely as that is, this repugnant diatribe will quickly be memory holed.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Tesseraction posted:

whereas I was a liberal until my 20s; I was fine with New Labour and thought the Liberal Democrats were bringing a fresh breath of social progress to the national conversation

in 2010 I wasn't concerned with warnings from goons like Fluo (:rip: mate) that the Lib Dems were orange book neoliberals, because I was fine with neoliberalism.

Then I saw what it actually meant. I spent a lot of 2010-2015 undergoing political schizophrenia as I realised liberalism was a golden calf, also that God isn't real. I had a rough few years in terms of fighting cognitive dissonance

I kind of feel like I've been broadly left-wing forever. I had discontent with everything and generally stayed disengaged with party politics because it all seemed so poo poo and hopeless. If anything I'd have said I'd supported the Lib Dems above anybody else until 2010 when it became immediately apparent that they were Piss Tories. Again this was through disengagement and ignorance rather than really loving liberalism or Nick Clegg. I don't think I ever actually voted for them though through combination of living in the speaker's seat and realising that FPTP was hosed and they had no chance of winning or making any difference to anything.

I only truly became aware of socialist ideas after meeting my wife who encouraged me to learn more about politics (though not specifically socialism - I think I've helped her onboard that train, possibly more than the other way around), then Corbyn showed up, and I discovered this thread which helped me complete my journey.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mostly just didn't really have a conception of politics until I started reading the thread so I managed to miss out on a proper liberal phase.

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Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Man, Corbyn is really so milquetoast and mild it makes me sad that he's become a totem pole of leftism in this country. He's just a good guy who wanted to help people who needed the help and for that he got destroyed by the insane vampires who run the place.

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