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Fish of hemp posted:Well who is going to win WW3? Russia ain't doing so hot in Ukraine and China's army produces really cool propaganda films but their fighting ability is still unproven. probably the side that still has manufacturing capacity
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ain't doing so hot = having eastern ukraine in the bag and have western powers shoot themselves in the foot over sanctions fighting ability is still unproven = korea didn't happened
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Jul 31, 2022 10:45
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Fish of hemp posted:Well who is going to win WW3? Russia ain't doing so hot in Ukraine and China's army produces really cool propaganda films but their fighting ability is still unproven. you don't win wars by 'doing so hot'. You win them by being the side still standing.
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Jul 31, 2022 10:52
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proven fighting capacity = losing against rice farmers and goat herders
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Jul 31, 2022 10:56
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Pryor on Fire posted:No probably not, they could only land about one division at a time and that's if everything went off without a hitch, if they encountered any logistical problems or serious resistance the plan falls apart. The issue for the US wasn’t that the Soviets were going to complete the conquest of the main islands or even if Hokkaido but by even taking a few key ports that would suddenly have a say in Japan’s post war settlement. This is something that the US really really didn’t want to happen along with Soviet movement into Manchuria. If the Soviets got a larger edge in East Asia it was going to be even more difficult to “contain” them. Looking at the motivations, timing, and the evidence we have: it was very clearly about the Soviets. Those lives were erased (as are Ukrainian lives now) to stick it in the eyes of the Russkis.
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Jul 31, 2022 10:57
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Palladium posted:
Yes, Korea happened. And then what? What do we know about China's fighting capability 70 years later, in 2022? Is their infantry tought to rely on air superiority? Do they practice mission based tactics or is low level initiative sacrifised in favor of stratecig flexibility? What kind of war are they planning to fight? Coast line defense based on naval warfare in the west or static or moving infantry warfare on the east? Do tell If you know.
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Jul 31, 2022 11:11
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes, Korea happened. ah yes wars are fought on buzzwords
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Jul 31, 2022 11:16
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes, Korea happened. All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.
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Jul 31, 2022 11:23
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes, Korea happened. i looked in my power scouter and it turns out their fighting ability is over 9000
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Jul 31, 2022 11:23
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crepeface posted:i looked in my power scouter and it turns out their fighting ability is over 9000 remember how much US military mumbo-jumbos about how afghanistan is gonna be won?
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Jul 31, 2022 11:26
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crepeface posted:i looked in my power scouter and it turns out their fighting ability is over 9000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6VBMdLArJ8
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Jul 31, 2022 11:29
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Palladium posted:ah yes wars are fought on buzzwords If you don't know you can just say that.
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Jul 31, 2022 11:39
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Rutibex posted:All warfare is based on deception. Yes. Is China going to win WW3 or not?
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Jul 31, 2022 11:40
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Fish of hemp posted:Well who is going to win WW3? Russia ain't doing so hot in Ukraine and China's army produces really cool propaganda films but their fighting ability is still unproven. Having your fighting ability unproven indefinitely is actually how you win
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Jul 31, 2022 11:53
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lol just look up the videos of the Chinese and Indian soldiers engaging in melee combat
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Jul 31, 2022 11:54
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shrike82 posted:lol just look up the videos of the Chinese and Indian soldiers engaging in melee combat the one with the flying kungfu kick?
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Jul 31, 2022 11:55
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indigi posted:I don’t think it would have outlasted Eisenhower in any case. and I bet Mcarthyism still happens Things like that have their own momentum.
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Jul 31, 2022 12:00
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Palladium posted:ain't doing so hot = having eastern ukraine in the bag and have western powers shoot themselves in the foot over sanctions Yeah, the PLA is the same army that it was in Korea.
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Jul 31, 2022 12:01
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Tankbuster posted:Yeah, the PLA is the same army that it was in Korea. Xi: oh of course its much weaker than that, trust me bro
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Jul 31, 2022 12:03
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China also won in Vietnam in the 80s, so Korea is not the only reference as far as how the PLA performs
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Jul 31, 2022 12:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:China also won in Vietnam in the 80s, so Korea is not the only reference as far as how the PLA performs What did they won? Territory, prestige, direct say at Vietnamese affairs?
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Palladium posted:Xi: oh of course its much weaker than that, trust me bro Well how do you know?
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Bar Ran Dun posted:yeah but in the Pacific that came from iron bottom sound and Guadalcanal. comparatively nothing else was like that until Vietnam. it’s not just “how you won wars” it’s also to try prevent things from being as bad for the soldiers/marines and sailors. Well also the bombing campaigns against civilian targets. crepeface posted:probably the side that still has manufacturing capacity America produces 17% of the worlds manufacturing output. For reference, China is 29%. It's not that America produces less, in fact output has fairly steadily increased, it's that China has steamed ahead. If America can whip it's allies into supporting it then it still has more production. That's a pretty Laconic if though.
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Jul 31, 2022 12:54
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Fish of hemp posted:Well how do you know? very original "not a troll, only sincerely asking questions"
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Jul 31, 2022 13:01
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Fish of hemp posted:Well who is going to win WW3? Russia ain't doing so hot in Ukraine and China's army produces really cool propaganda films but their fighting ability is still unproven. the only fighting ability that the us has proven lately is fighting a couple of colonial policing actions, mainly by blowing up defenseless people from the sky
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Jul 31, 2022 13:04
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looking at how poorly Russia is doing half a year on in Ukraine soldiers don’t want to work anymore
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Weka posted:America produces 17% of the worlds manufacturing output. For reference, China is 29%. It's not that America produces less, in fact output has fairly steadily increased, it's that China has steamed ahead. If America can whip it's allies into supporting it then it still has more production. That's a pretty Laconic if though. will the market and Number accept that? also, where are those numbers from? are they in US dollar numbers or something else?
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Jul 31, 2022 13:22
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Fish of hemp posted:What did they won? Territory, prestige, direct say at Vietnamese affairs? many won and dong
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Jul 31, 2022 13:24
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Weka posted:Well also the bombing campaigns against civilian targets. Btw, once you readjust for the dollar, it isn’t nearly as impressive.
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Jul 31, 2022 13:37
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes. yes
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Can I get some sources on the industrial production stuff? I want to slack off at work tomorrow.
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Tankbuster posted:Can I get some sources on the industrial production stuff? I want to slack off at work tomorrow.  China already won ww3 20 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dnM-RQI23Y
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Jul 31, 2022 13:46
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes, Korea happened. There are recent books on PLA doctrine and papers from observers of their exercises. Not sure what your point is here.
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Jul 31, 2022 13:46
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looks like Pelosi may be chickening out on that Taiwan visit
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Filthy Hans posted:looks like Pelosi may be chickening out on that Taiwan visit the PLA decided letting her live would cause more long-term damage to the US
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Jul 31, 2022 13:49
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maybe she realized most Americans would not be upset if the the Chinese airforce turned her to mist
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Filthy Hans posted:looks like Pelosi may be chickening out on that Taiwan visit turns out living (from a certain point of view) is a key prerequisite to enjoy the fruits of insider trade
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Ardennes posted:Btw, once you readjust for the dollar, it isn’t nearly as impressive. and once you look at what's actually being produced and its utility in a war it's even less impressive
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Rutibex posted:maybe she realized most Americans would not be upset if the the Chinese airforce turned her to mist despite the appearance of cunning and malice, a skeletal sorcerer has neither intent, nor life ---it is animated solely by a greater evil. attributing any desire to her is a grave mistake
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Cerebral Bore posted:and once you look at what's actually being produced and its utility in a war it's even less impressive "china is lying about their gdp" as i count my stuff to be 99% made in china within a 10 meter radius
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