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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:okay so what would happen if I registered like ten or more accounts and used them to create a simulacrum of political discussion in d&d superficially indistinguishable from earnest debate of differing points of view Based on what I know about alts on this website, it would not surprise me to discover that this already describes large chunks of DND.
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Lib and let die posted:Make NeatHeteroDude a mod. that's my only feedback. i don't even know who that is but i guess i should find out
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Jul 31, 2022 07:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i don't even know who that is but i guess i should find out He's a large dog that somebody taught to post, as a joke
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Jul 31, 2022 07:53
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some plague rats posted:He's a large dog that somebody taught to post, as a joke Hey now, let's not discriminate against our four-legged friends being able to post.
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Jul 31, 2022 07:57
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Fritz the Horse posted:seems like a foolproof plan, we've no way to prevent or respond to this. you should do it imo.
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Jul 31, 2022 08:06
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Professor Beetus posted:Based on what I know about alts on this website, it would not surprise me to discover that this already describes large chunks of DND. There are a bunch of people with 3 or 4 accounts (and a few with significantly more... mostly people who were dodging something), but at least from when I still was getting the juice about what handful of alts was who, almost no one was replying to their own posts with other accounts. Not never, but it wasn't common and I think it was informally the line in the sand on alts.
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Jul 31, 2022 08:10
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a bunch of people with 3 or 4 accounts (and a few with significantly more... mostly people who were dodging something), but at least from when I still was getting the juice about what handful of alts was who, almost no one was replying to their own posts with other accounts. Not never, but it wasn't common and I think it was informally the line in the sand on alts. The idea that DND is a handful of people multi-boxing at each other is somehow even better tbh
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Jul 31, 2022 08:19
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Victar posted:I don't ever want D&D merged with the mess that is C-SPAM. I am especially grateful that CZS and others moderate the D&D Ukraine thread. For the record, the vast majority of CSPAM Ukraine/Russia thread's posters do not say disgusting things about the deaths of any civilians, Ukrainian or otherwise. Those that do can be counted on one hand, and they get probated or banned immediately.
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Jul 31, 2022 08:35
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I'm not sure what the people who don't like the current state of D&D want that isn't fulfilled by CSPAM or the various politics threads in other forums. Take for example the Ukraine or China threads in CSPAM, D&D and GBS, you're probably going to find a place that's amenable to your posting style and political opinions between the three. But apparently, there's some unvoiced and unclarified need for D&D to become something other than the niche it's filled. If I remember correctly people hated the pre-Koos regime as well. Like what does this even mean? MSDOS KAPITAL posted:anyway my feedback is that the present and former moderators of D&D have over the last few years turned this place into somewhere that I would literally rather have my fingernails pulled out with a pair of pliers than engage in on an ongoing basis - but on the other hand driving out people like me seems to have been the point and at least these days most of you are pretty open about the goals for D&D. moreover the mod team's stated goals match its actions finally and I do sincerely appreciate that as well. I think you're giving the majority of the people who still post here what they want and that's great so keep it up It's a complaint without a vision of what kind of forum the poster wants. Also people should stop being freaks about probes. Imagine being the type of person who's afraid they'll be arbitrarily forced not to post for 6 hours. Can't post here, it's probe town.
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Jul 31, 2022 11:15
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fez_machine posted:It's a complaint without a vision of what kind of forum the poster wants.  like obviously I'm not going to loving post here same as I don't post in the anime forum because that's not my jam. but I'm a former poster here so I keeps tabs that's the only difference as I've mentioned before the user base of d&d is composed predominantly of people who, in another time and place, would have been quite happy living under the Nazis (as were most people back then at least at first). I don't think it's reasonable or for that matter practical to ban everyone who posts here so giving d&d people a safe space where they can laugh and play with other Nazis is, imo, a reasonable goal and I'm glad the moderation team here is finally being open about it instead of pretending they're really trying to do something else, like the previous group of morons who were running the place. godspeed koos group et al MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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Jul 31, 2022 13:20
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:as I've mentioned before the user base of d&d is composed predominantly of people who, in another time and place, would have been quite happy living under the Nazis (as were most people back then at least at first). I don't think it's reasonable or for that matter practical to ban everyone who posts here so giving d&d people a safe space where they can laugh and play with other Nazis is, imo, a reasonable goal and I'm glad the moderation team here is finally being open about it instead of pretending they're really trying to do something else, like the previous group of morons who were running the place. godspeed koos group et al I can't imagine why D&D mods would make you feel unwelcome to post here
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Jul 31, 2022 13:29
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I can't imagine why D&D mods would make you feel unwelcome to post here
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Jul 31, 2022 13:33
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I can't imagine why D&D mods would make you feel unwelcome to post here are you gonna do anything else besides rubberneck in this thread, like seriously its so damned tiresome to see your attempts at sassing people
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Jul 31, 2022 13:42
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A big flaming stink posted:are you gonna do anything else besides rubberneck in this thread, like seriously its so damned tiresome to see your attempts at sassing people Did you read that post? because there's no sass in my response to it
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Jul 31, 2022 13:45
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i don't even know who that is but i guess i should find out some plague rats posted:He's a large dog that somebody taught to post, as a joke Kidding aside, if there are really "severe" issues plaguing d&d, I don't think the solution is to bring in more ARE TROOPS mods like Ralph or CGIR or more functionary "this is a I.b.2.¶G.§3., user loses posting privileges for x hours" systems administrator like CZS; bring a behavioral specialist in. Bring people with actual conflict mediation skills in.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Did you read that post? because there's no sass in my response to it
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Jul 31, 2022 14:01
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some plague rats posted:It seems like there's a pretty fundamental conflict about what the mods here are trying to accomplish- is the idea to try and create quality debate, or just to punish every rule breach for it's own sake? Because you've now got a guy, the most active mod here, who from the outside seems to treat moderating like he's got a quota. Not "do these posts really interfere with the discussion" but "okay, that's a 2a, that's a 2.1.c, that can be a 1.1.1, that looks like a 3.1," the kind of broken windows approach to moderating that just makes it miserable to post here because any time you're discussing something there's a solid chance that you or the other person is going to get yanked out of the discussion with a big vaudeville hook for some ticky tacky rear end reason. LT 2012 is actually doing a good job because he seems to be leaning heavily towards not probating instead of "okay which rule should I probate this for". Many posters have complained about selective enforcement in D&D moderation due to systemic bias. I believe that the main intent behind the formalization of D&D moderation into a bunch of concrete rules, and citing rules when issuing probations is that it is an attempt to make moderation less selective and more consistent. It is a challenging and lofty goal.
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Jul 31, 2022 14:59
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To go back to stylesheets I'm thinking go with a rival newspaper to CSPAM's, or go with a trashy tabloid for fun
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Jul 31, 2022 15:08
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A big flaming stink posted:are you gonna do anything else besides rubberneck in this thread, like seriously its so damned tiresome to see your attempts at sassing people he's seen what it looks like when he tries to engage, and learned not to do so as a result every ecosystem needs its bottom feeders. you might as well get mad at someone in games for loredumping.
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Jul 31, 2022 15:12
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Known alt accounts and those that have them should be banned down to one account, and then Perma banned if they make any other alt accounts. gently caress that
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Jul 31, 2022 15:15
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If you change the rules please put the explanation that regional threads have their own standards somewhere more obvious than buried between the entire rules in format 1 and the entire rules in format 2.
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Jul 31, 2022 15:21
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Known alt accounts and those that have them should be banned down to one account, and then Perma banned if they make any other alt accounts. https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2080
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Jul 31, 2022 15:40
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Lib and let die posted:Kidding aside, if there are really "severe" issues plaguing d&d, I don't think the solution is to bring in more ARE TROOPS mods like Ralph or CGIR or more functionary "this is a I.b.2.¶G.§3., user loses posting privileges for x hours" systems administrator like CZS; bring a behavioral specialist in. Bring people with actual conflict mediation skills in. Anyone with those skills also has the skills to recognize that they should stay the gently caress away from the structure of our mod/admin system
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Jul 31, 2022 15:42
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Gumball Gumption posted:Anyone with those skills also has the skills to recognize that they should stay the gently caress away from the structure of our mod/admin system It's true, they had to settle for someone that will take a massive bong rip and glance at reports once every four or five days.
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Jul 31, 2022 15:46
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Known alt accounts and those that have them should be banned down to one account, and then Perma banned if they make any other alt accounts.
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A good point but there should be a time or even just is this still funny limit before for they are eventually exposed and there should be mods watching for people switching to alt accounts to avoid questions while discussing the same topic we already have enough people refusing to engage while making GBS threads on people all the time hello silence kit. Props for the professor for attempting humor /sincere
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Jul 31, 2022 15:49
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Known alt accounts and those that have them should be banned down to one account, and then Perma banned if they make any other alt accounts. Speaking of alts, hey Greyjoy what was up with that one recent qcs post where you referred to yourself as "mods like GJB". It seemed to be intended to be from the perspectrive of a mod/admin but not you, are you pulling Mod Double Duty. Do you have a second life as the coupons mod.
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im sad to say that we are all alt accounts of the same great dreamer, who must never be awoken
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Harold Fjord posted:A good point but there should be a time or even just is this still funny limit before for they are eventually exposed and there should be mods watching for people switching to alt accounts to avoid questions while discussing the same topic we already have enough people refusing to engage while making GBS threads on people all the time hello silence kit. In the interest of more transparency I will say that we can and do request alt checks with relative frequency, but admins don't even tell us who it is unless it's a perma'd user. Until my dying day I will be shaking my fist and shouting "post on your main you cowards!"
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Jul 31, 2022 15:56
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D&D would need an incredible overhaul of style in order to achieve the desired goal of not reiterating stale points. It seems like a fun goon project. I'll help, I just got an A in my project management class at community college.
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In my opinion D&D's ever-expanding rule list and routine probes-without-warnings absolutely stifle discussion and I no longer have any interest in posting in what (years ago) used to be my favorite subforum. Now I just keep up with a few interesting/amusing threads and do my posting in subforums that don't make me feel like my boss is watching over my shoulder the entire time. The "rival subforum" has its own problems to be sure, but I can chill out and fire off a few posts in there without needing Employee Refresher Training first. In my opinion a mix of shitposting and quality posting that is lightly moderated (as long as you don't cross the bright lines) is a core part of the SA experience. But what do I know, I've only been here for 20+ years. FistEnergy fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:that's quite explicitly not a complaint and I don't know how I can make it more clear. I thought "that's great so keep it up" would do the trick but apparently not Thank you for portraying every dnd poster as nazi sympathizers. Get hosed
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Thank you for portraying every dnd poster as nazi sympathizers. Get hosed Seamus was coming out of the pub with his son when he stopped and put an arm around the youngster. He nodded towards the village in front of them and said, “You know, I built half the homes in this village but nobody calls me a homebuilder.” Then with a wave of his arm, he said, “And I worked on half the roads in this village but nobody calls me a roadbuilder.” Seamus sighed, put his two hands on his son’s shoulders and, looking him hard in the eye, said, “But you gently caress one sheep….”
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:as I've mentioned before the user base of d&d is composed predominantly of people who, in another time and place, would have been quite happy living under the Nazis (as were most people back then at least at first). Very normal opinion. Definitely not even a tiny bit unhinged.
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the china thread needs an ik and i think ronya would be the best (only) candidateSomaen posted:There's way less genocide denial as the brain damaged freaks got driven out to containment zones/threads. Kudos for that i only see the ukraine thread from the lepers colony, so i don't know how common the genocide denial thing gets played, but if that isn't already a probe on sight it really should be. eta Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this sentiment would be far more cutting from someone not on record saying that actually, the Armenians deserved to be genocided by his forefathers, op lol Stringent fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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Slow News Day posted:Very normal opinion. Definitely not even a tiny bit unhinged. this sentiment would be far more cutting from someone not on record saying that actually, the Armenians deserved to be genocided by his forefathers, op
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FistEnergy posted:In my opinion D&D's ever-expanding rule list and routine probes-without-warnings absolutely stifle discussion and I no longer have any interest in posting in what (years ago) used to be my favorite subforum. Now I just keep up with a few interesting/amusing threads and do my posting in subforums that don't make me feel like my boss is watching over my shoulder the entire time.
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Slow News Day posted:Very normal opinion. Definitely not even a tiny bit unhinged. D&D is the forum where you think CSPAM is all Nazis and CSPAM is the forum where you think D&D is all Nazis. If you express the opposite opinion in the wrong one you're a sick freak.
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FistEnergy posted:In my opinion D&D's ever-expanding rule list and routine probes-without-warnings absolutely stifle discussion and I no longer have any interest in posting in what (years ago) used to be my favorite subforum. Now I just keep up with a few interesting/amusing threads and do my posting in subforums that don't make me feel like my boss is watching over my shoulder the entire time. I guess just empty quoting this is probably discouraged so I'll reiterate -- similar to feedback I left in the last feedback thread -- this matches my experience as well. On the "moderate positions" stuff-- it seems like we're taking for granted that an acceptable consequence is occasionally humoring someone's bigoted thought experiments or devil's advocacy session as long as it doesn't seem to be insincere bigotry. I'm personally not down for that. I find it stressful and just have to kind of look away from it when it does happen. The risk of this kind of policy is that the people tasked with educating others on why their bigotry is bad will understandably burn out, and then we're just left with a toxic posting environment. I think it's pretty close to that now. Not being required to even casually humor that kind of lovely posting is otherwise a nice benefit of SA. I also agree that the litany of rules and especially thread specific subjective rules about what topics are "stale" make it difficult to want to post in most other threads around here, especially long running threads. I haven't been posting in SA for 20+ years but definitely a long time, and I'd agree that in my personal opinion the combination of "shoot from the hip" probe stuff without the part that adds "this isn't a place for your thought experiments about bigotry" makes it an undesirable sub to post in, but I'm also willing to contrinue to accept maybe this sub just isn't "for me" anymore and treat it accordingly.
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Professor Beetus posted:I'll be forwarding this feedback to Jeffrey every day from now on until he relents and allows someone to make this happen. Thank you for your feedback. oh yeah, i've been meaning to ask this. how much is discendo vox getting warnings instead of probes because the mods don't want to deal with pms from them?
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