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DeadlyMuffin posted:Nobody's saying that either. What you appear to be saying is that the CDC poo poo the bed with AIDS in the 80s and therefore they are doing the exact same thing with monkeypox. How does saying that the CDC is making similar mistakes appear to you to say that the CDC is making the exact same mistakes? The words similar and exact are in fact not synonyms.
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Gerund posted:How does saying that the CDC is making similar mistakes appear to you to say that the CDC is making the exact same mistakes? They are in fact doing the very opposite of what the US admin did during the AIDS crisis, which was to ignore the disease altogether and let it run through the LGBTQ community as much as possible. I'm not disputing that clumsy messaging can result in similar issues in the same community, but the responses themselves are not in fact similar at all.
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Mooseontheloose posted:As I understand it (and someone correct me if I am wrong) is that the Reagan Administration purposefully didn't do anything because they wanted AIDS to destroy the gay community. So they withheld information, didn't investigate, didn't tell people they might be in danger. Then when it jumped into people who were deemed straight they were forced to do something and also blamed the gay community. In the 1980s the CDC made errors in communication, again focused on the at risk population of men who have sex with men, and these errors helped provide the foundation for the public perception as a "gay plague" one of the first things the CDC did in response to aids was a study on the disease specifically in homosexual men whose conclusions were that "case-patients tended to be much more sexually active than controls and were more likely to have had other sexually transmitted infections" these studies, their results, and other communications by the CDC allowed the perception to propagate that the risk was exclusive to gay men. There's a pretty straight line between the public perception of the disease as applying only to gay men and the failure to act by the Reagan administration. So the CDC isn't solely responsible for the public perception of AIDS as a gay plague, and they aren't solely responsible for why people think Monkeypox is an STI, but if any agency in this country should know the terrible risk of linking men-who-have-sex-with-men to an infectious disease, it should be the loving CDC Kalit posted:I thought the CDC mostly avoided doing much research/outreach until public pressure finally forced Reagan's hand at the end of his presidency. But that might just be an assumption on my part. I mean the link you yourself provided is strong evidence of that not being the case, with CDC studies on gay men linking the disease to sexual activity well before the administration had been forced to respond. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Aug 1, 2022 |
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Professor Beetus posted:I'm not going to shut down monkeypox discussion in USCE as it is absolutely a very current event, but it would certainly be helpful if someone felt motivated to put together an informative monkeypox thread that can be used to keep people up to date on the latest developments. Threads are an essentially limitless resource, go hog wild.
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Kalit posted:Do you have a good link that summarizes the CDC response to the AIDS crisis? It's kind of hard for me to find on a casual search, I just found this. That seems to be a good summary. I'd also recommend "And the Band Played On" as a general overview of AIDS and the hovernment's response to it. It talks a bunch about CDC research and outreach, although primarily, CDCwise, about Don Francis's team of epidemiologists who tried to trace the spread of AIDS and were some of the first to suggest it was caused by a virus.
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Gerund posted:How does saying that the CDC is making similar mistakes appear to you to say that the CDC is making the exact same mistakes? Yes and Ciprian Maricon posted:So the CDC isn't solely responsible for the public perception of AIDS as a gay plague, and they aren't solely responsible for why people think Monkeypox is an STI, but if any agency in this country should know the terrible risk of linking men-who-have-sex-with-men to an infectious disease, it should be the loving CDC
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I mean the link you yourself provided is strong evidence of that not being the case, with CDC studies on gay men linking the disease to sexual activity well before the administration had been forced to respond. They did some, which is why I stated "avoided doing much research/outreach". I had meant relative to how much effort they should have put into research/outreach for a public health crisis. Epicurius posted:That seems to be a good summary. I'd also recommend "And the Band Played On" as a general overview of AIDS and the hovernment's response to it. It talks a bunch about CDC research and outreach, although primarily, CDCwise, about Don Francis's team of epidemiologists who tried to trace the spread of AIDS and were some of the first to suggest it was caused by a virus. Great, I'll check out that book, thanks!
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Kalit posted:Great, I'll check out that book, thanks! It is incredibly good, and will make you extremely angry.
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The alex jones trail is going about as well as would be expected https://twitter.com/5DollarFeminist/status/1554177876760662016
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i don't think i want to travel down the alex jones trail
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World Famous W posted:i don't think i want to travel down the alex jones trail There are chili stops all along the way. Big bowls o' chili
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World Famous W posted:i don't think i want to travel down the alex jones trail It's like the climate change trail but you are wandering around looking for big bowls of chili yelling DEEP STATE
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:The alex jones trail is going about as well as would be expected there's a very enjoyable rubbernecking thread in gbs: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4008312 and RGD's knowledge fight thread is of course supplemental material: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3990450&pagenumber=39#lastpost
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goethe.cx posted:I'll answer this as though it's being asked in good faith: it's impossible to say. We have no way of knowing when a virus will mutate, and particularly when it will mutate in ways that create problems for existing treatments and prevention methods. Thank you for responding in good faith.
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PT6A posted:Aye, and while we certainly have homophobes, we simply shout them down instead of pretending maybe it’s our fault they’re hateful because we didn’t phrase things properly. Wait, so if I want to not experience homophobia any more I should simply shout them down? drat I never knew it was that easy, I've been getting homophobic abuse for years when I didn't have to! That's so embarrassing, for me
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some plague rats posted:Wait, so if I want to not experience homophobia any more I should simply shout them down? drat I never knew it was that easy, I've been getting homophobic abuse for years when I didn't have to! That's so embarrassing, for me No, it's a sickness in society. Your neighbours and friends and countrymen should shout them down. I live in basically the bible belt of Canada, and we recently had a local businessman implode his own business overnight by spewing some homophobic QAnon poo poo, because the community, even as conservative as it is, did not and will not tolerate that. It must not be tolerated. It's not the responsibility of the person receiving hatred to stand against it; rather, it is the responsibility of society as a whole to make clear such behaviour will be condemned at great personal cost to those who would engage in it. We had a client at work who made homophobic remarks. We told him: this is your one warning and there won't be a second, don't ever say that poo poo here again or you will be told to leave and never come back. You can do that! It's within everyone's power to make society completely intolerable for homophobes. I just don't understand what y'all have going on down there, I really don't. I try to, but it makes no sense to me. PT6A fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Aug 1, 2022 |
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PT6A posted:I just don't understand what y'all have going on down there, I really don't. Yeah that's pretty clear. That anecdote in your post absolutely would not end like that in a conservative area of the US. The client would be clapped on the back and continued to be sucked up to in many places, because there are more homophobes the conservative identity is much more tied up with social shibboleths here moreso than any sort of consistent policies or ideologies.
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If you're in a place or business where reactionaries have a substantial majority, making a big fuss about homophobic remarks or whatever might well put you at more risk than the bigot. Source: am Texan
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GreyjoyBastard posted:If you're in a place or business where reactionaries have a substantial majority, making a big fuss about homophobic remarks or whatever might well put you at more risk than the bigot. Source: am Texan In the given example it would also put the business owner and whichever employees who probably work for them that someone is expecting to enforce against the bigoted behavior at risk. Also Texan. Private businesses telling people to alter their offensive or dangerous behavior is the ultimate trigger for some people around here.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:The alex jones trail is going about as well as would be expected https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1554221430060904449?s=20&t=U2GF_hKkPu78i-ZiR-tJFw
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Trump couldn't decide which Eric to endorse so he went with the chaos option as always. https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1554227979168976898 what's funnier is how predictable the chaos is at this point.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Trump couldn't decide which Eric to endorse so he went with the chaos option as always. This is the only time in his life that Trump has shown any amount of faith in someone named Eric.
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I just voted in the MA democratic primary. The only races that felt remotely interesting to me were lieutenant governor and attorney general. I voted for Eric Lesser for lieutenant governor because he promised to fight for the representation of Western Massachusetts, and Shannon Liss-Riordan for attorney general because she very deliberately focused her campaign around the strength of unions. If any other massholes come across this post please let me know your thoughts.
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PT6A posted:No, it's a sickness in society. Your neighbours and friends and countrymen should shout them down. So your solution to this societal problem is... to be living somewhere that it's already solved. Incredible. I mean: PT6A posted:You can do that! It's within everyone's power to make society completely intolerable for homophobes. How, exactly. What do you suggest we do, as individuals, who do not have the backing of our community because that community is largely homophobic.
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ellasmith posted:I just voted in the MA democratic primary. The only races that felt remotely interesting to me were lieutenant governor and attorney general. I voted for Eric Lesser for lieutenant governor because he promised to fight for the representation of Western Massachusetts, and Shannon Liss-Riordan for attorney general because she very deliberately focused her campaign around the strength of unions. If any other massholes come across this post please let me know your thoughts. I feel like its mostly a good group no matter what. I am trying decide between Liss-Riordan and Campbell for AG. I am also having a hard time between Tanisha Sullivan and Galvin because while Galvin dragged his feet on early vote Sullivan has lacked specifics about she wants to change.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I feel like its mostly a good group no matter what. I am trying decide between Liss-Riordan and Campbell for AG. I am also having a hard time between Tanisha Sullivan and Galvin because while Galvin dragged his feet on early vote Sullivan has lacked specifics about she wants to change. That was my main complaint with her. She seemed like a platitudes type candidate, which isn't enough to get me to dump a long timer.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Trump couldn't decide which Eric to endorse so he went with the chaos option as always. Predictit is currently burning to the ground because there were bets on who Trump would endorse and this is obviously going to a ridiculous tiebreaker. e also that is a respectable called shot
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Trump couldn't decide which Eric to endorse so he went with the chaos option as always. your missing that the eric he wants to endorse is the wife beater that got charged with campaign corruption that literally is the worst possible choice for the gop in the race, we are taking an aitkin level bad candidate. Surprisingly just as bad a choice as walker and oz are. And hopefully vance ( I dream that we take portmans seat and I can cackle at the fuckers in the state house that let it happen.)
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Looks like the us military killed Zawahri, who's been #1 in al qaeda for many years. Biden will undoubtedly try and make this into UBL 2.0
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Looks like the us military killed Zawahri, who's been #1 in al qaeda for many years. Biden will undoubtedly try and make this into UBL 2.0 They'll play it as a major security win, but for them to begin to try and spin it as UBL 2.0 they'd have to get over the massive hurdle of every american going "who?" when the name is mentioned. Biden's tone deaf to attempt it, maybe, but I don't think the staff will go along with quite that level of door-kicking.
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Twincityhacker posted:I don't know what ran though Trump's brain to make him chose the chaos option, but I am *highly* entertained. Both checks cleared, most likely.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Looks like the us military killed Zawahri, who's been #1 in al qaeda for many years. Biden will undoubtedly try and make this into UBL 2.0
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ryde posted:That trial has bounced between completely infuriating and mind-blowing hilarity at a break-neck pace. I'm oscillating between incandescent fury at what Alex Jones callously did to these poor parents and grim consolation that his defense is utterly incompetent and he's not rich or powerful enough to be immune to laws like many shithead monsters of his caliber.
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OAquinas posted:They'll play it as a major security win, but for them to begin to try and spin it as UBL 2.0 they'd have to get over the massive hurdle of every american going "who?" when the name is mentioned. Biden's tone deaf to attempt it, maybe, but I don't think the staff will go along with quite that level of door-kicking. Right now they're running on "Hey, we didn't kill any innocent bystanders this time!" as their major win from the operation more than anything. And that's probably got like at least 24 hours before it comes out that like half the block this guy lived on is now also dead alongside him or something. This is probably more some kind of roundabout performative dick waving directed at China to try and discourage them form doing anything to Nancy Pelosi if she does in fact pull her crazy senile renegade grandma act and actually land in Taiwan in the next few days.
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