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Shibawanko posted:my goal is to be able to play any older game on real hardware on a crt, i decided that i shouldnt attempt to actually own the games except for flash carts because that way lies collectordom, although its tempting to display just a few i always find these kind of impulses a little sad because CRTs go bad, phosphors have an operational life. afaik no one has been making them for years and all the institutional knowledge and manufacturing equipment etc is long long gone. people will continue to hunt down the existing stock and run them until they fail, but that will happen eventually and they cannot be replaced. lovely CRTs were being made later but the high end stuff people want, the trinitons etc, were long long gone by the time they died. our generation will probably be the last to enjoy the technology, which despite being obsoleted for any number of practical reasons still haven't caught up in some ways. high end CRTs legit consistently make actual AV nerds poo poo their pants in terms of image quality (particularly in motion), blacks and overall presentation. i think it was the digital foundry guys who said, no question, they'd prefer an old high end 720p high refresh rate CRT to the latest and greatest quantum OLED 4k picture in terms of visuals overall. this is why those old CRTs now cost more than a car. we might be the last generation to really enjoy it as it was intended unless our other display technologies get a whole lot better.
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CoolCab posted:i always find these kind of impulses a little sad because CRTs go bad, phosphors have an operational life. afaik no one has been making them for years and all the institutional knowledge and manufacturing equipment etc is long long gone. people will continue to hunt down the existing stock and run them until they fail, but that will happen eventually and they cannot be replaced. lovely CRTs were being made later but the high end stuff people want, the trinitons etc, were long long gone by the time they died. our generation will probably be the last to enjoy the technology, which despite being obsoleted for any number of practical reasons still haven't caught up in some ways. personally i hope there'll be a replacement technology at some point, maybe a niche product for a certain audience, although i guess it's unlikely since most of the parts that went into CRT's are no longer manufactured and would have to be produced by a single company. a "CRT mode" for high end tv's would be cool but also not that likely i guess i own 3 CRT's although i keep 2 of them in the shed, i intend on keeping them in case my main one breaks down at some point
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you can emulate phosphors on a GPU level but it's insanely resource intensive and really only covers the smoothing, the in motion and latency performance etc is still nothing alike. I don't think is possible to replicate with LCD due to the inherent limitations of the technology, it will either be a gigantic breakthrough or a new technology that competes if anything ever does. and to be clear there are a MILLION other practical reasons LCDs obsoleted CRTs - power consumption, massive loving leaded tube making them heavy and gigantic, difficulties hitting higher resolutions, etc - but in terms of picture quality we still have a way to go
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Shibawanko posted:my goal is to be able to play any older game on real hardware on a crt, i decided that i shouldnt attempt to actually own the games except for flash carts because that way lies collectordom, although its tempting to display just a few Once I convinced myself to get a flash cart for my N64, the urge to buy carts of games I wanted went away. I hope to eventually have a mister, so that the urge to have other consoles goes away too. I'll likely keep my N64 because I doubt it will be possible to emulate it on an FPGA any time soon because of how complicated it is. CoolCab posted:i always find these kind of impulses a little sad because CRTs go bad, phosphors have an operational life. That's why I'm trying to get as much enjoyment out of mine while I can. It's a decent CRT TV. A phillips 20(?) inch with component and svideo inputs. It still looks decent so I'll try to get as much retro gaming out of this as I can. I'll bet we'll eventually get to a point where someone tries to get a run of new CRT tvs done. When you already have a giant 100" 8K OLED whatever, you're not looking for a giant CRT. Something smallish that you can put on a desk is likely all people really need. I think if someone made decent quality 15-20 inch CRT TVs, there could be a market for it.
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i think itd be fairly popular if it were capable of 480p and had all of the convenient inputs, but especially if it looked attractive on a desk honestly the real problem is weight and fragility, crt's are probably almost impossible to safely ship and deliver
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Shibawanko posted:i think itd be fairly popular if it were capable of 480p and had all of the convenient inputs, but especially if it looked attractive on a desk then how did they ship and deliver them back when they were the current technology no, it's possible to safely ship and deliver CRTs. it's not possible to safely ship and deliver CRTs with JIT lowest bidder gig delivery driver schemes, though.
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Not to mention the whole issue of all the lead in them.
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Cojawfee posted:Once I convinced myself to get a flash cart for my N64, the urge to buy carts of games I wanted went away. I hope to eventually have a mister, so that the urge to have other consoles goes away too. I'll likely keep my N64 because I doubt it will be possible to emulate it on an FPGA any time soon because of how complicated it is. I wonder if the last decades of electronics could add anything useful to the control side of a CRT? Getting a perfectly even and square picture on an older monitor wasn't always trivial, but maybe adding $30 of modern hardware and software could make it easier?
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amazing. I was at half price books a few months ago and listened to some guy assuring his girlfriend that the laserdiscs were just big CDs before they made them smaller and it’s just soundtracks, not actual movies and whoever sold them to HPBs must have really loved soundtracks.
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Scarodactyl posted:Not to mention the whole issue of all the lead in them. Is it possible to melt the glass from a tube and reuse it?
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Arivia posted:then how did they ship and deliver them back when they were the current technology yeah i meant with modern infrastructure. it's possible sure, but it'd be expensive and require special handling
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holefoods posted:amazing. I was at half price books a few months ago and listened to some guy assuring his girlfriend that the laserdiscs were just big CDs before they made them smaller and it’s just soundtracks, not actual movies and whoever sold them to HPBs must have really loved soundtracks. It's even funnier once you learn that CED's exist which are, in reality, films on vinyl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc
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from brief googling it is hypothetically possible to make similar leaded tubes in small quantities by hand but in the absence of economies of scale that would be audiophile level expensive and nowhere near as performant. and again, it's not just that no one makes CRTs anymore (i think there were some goofy exceptions in post soviet bloc countries operating relatively late) but the people, manufacturing processes/knowledge and infrastructure to make decent CRTs died like 10 years before that at least. if it did come back as a gimmick or high end product i think it will be like cassette players - you can totally buy them new the problem is it's simply impossible to buy new stock that are at all good. there are only a handful of places that were able to manufacturer the components at all and they were the super cheap, commodity grade manufacturers, all the decent ones went out of business ages ago. so you can buy new cassette players they just perform like a terrible one from 1996.
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There's also the problem of having a million people who say they would totally buy a new CRT for retro gaming, and out of that million maybe 100 actually do.
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Desert Bus posted:It's even funnier once you learn that CED's exist which are, in reality, films on vinyl: max length 60 minutes per side means you can't do anything useful with them other than like, a TV show, but hey, incredible
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DACK FAYDEN posted:holy poo poo these are incredible You could flip the disk halfway through a la vinyl.
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Neito posted:You could flip the disk halfway through a la vinyl. And lots of laserdiscs were that way too, prior to the advent of double-sided players. Hell, CAV discs were 30 minutes a side.
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Neito posted:You could flip the disk halfway through a la vinyl. I was at someone's house once and watched Return of the Jedi on CED. Must have been 1986. Never saw another CED player in the wild before or since. Only learned it was a real thing and not something I misremembered probably 20 years later.
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Phanatic posted:And lots of laserdiscs were that way too, prior to the advent of double-sided players. Hell, CAV discs were 30 minutes a side. CAV discs are awesome, my Ghost in the Shell box set is CAV and it looks great on a CRT.
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Desert Bus posted:It's even funnier once you learn that CED's exist which are, in reality, films on vinyl: If you haven't already, you need to check out Technology Connections FIVE PART report on this format. It boggles the mind how RCA just would not let it go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnpX8d8zRIA
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I hate CED’s with a burning passion, it’s been 40 years since I was endlessly exposed to the same 2 CED’s for hours on end. I worked at Radio Shack when I was in HS, and they sold the RCA CED player under the Realistic label. My boss ended up with a few of them and they’d never ever sell no matter what, because VHS could record and CED’s couldn’t and the techies bought into Laserdiscs . So he made us play the two demo CED’s that we had - Rocky II and Singin’ In The Rain over and over again, endlessly. The Rocky movie wasn’t THAT bad, but singin’ in the rain is just excruciating if you’re not a fan of old musicals. Eight hour shifts, same movies, over and over. And you know how they ‘play like a record’? They wear out like a record too, and looked/sounded like dogshit after months of perpetual spinning misery.
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First time someone has posted a funny picture I took  I do keep around a little bit of obsolete technology in my home office Some old Bang & Olufsen systems, and in the shelf are SNES boxes, NES games, DVDs I'm keeping, my D&D 2nd edition collection and my record collection. The CRT is used with a softmodded Wii for RGB quality retro gaming, and is hooked to the white system with the extremely poorly placed Beolab speakers.  Sony ES system, just used with headphones because I don't have room for the square-woofer speakers I have for it:  Not pictured: Countless cassette tapes, CDs, a Sony PVM, a whole bunch of retro consoles and games ranging from the NES I got for my ninth birthday still in its original rental case to my PS4, portable game consoles and a decent collection of several minidisc players and walkmans (walkmen?) and discmans.
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evobatman posted:First time someone has posted a funny picture I took
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F4rt5 posted:Hvilken bruktsjappe hvor fant du den lol Fretex
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More finds from my mother’s basement. Still can’t find the Vectrex console. loving thing’s gotta be down there somewhere.
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Phanatic posted:More finds from my mother’s basement. TREASURE!
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I have, if anything, perhaps the opposite end of the spectrum of whatever the mental illness that leads to hoarding would be. I have no problem acquiring things that I need or intend to use, but I just can't bring myself to spend money on anything that's just "shelf candy". Not because I don't want it or wouldn't like having it -- I do and I would! -- but something about thinking about it fills me with a strange kind of pre-anxiety. It's like I don't want to own anything unnecessary that I'd have to worry about taking care of, or be upset about when it inevitably is broken/crumbles/lost. I look at a collectible the way you might look at some kind of adorable but short-lived pet animal. Like, "Oh, that's just buying myself unnecessary hassle taking care of it and then heartache when it dies." About the only things I can make an exception for are mementos of my family and our adventures and gifts from other people that meant something to me. The wife and I struggled with poverty in the first decade of our marriage and lived a very nomadic life, had to get rid of almost everything we owned several times along the way. Ever since going through that, I almost can't buy anything without thinking about how I'll feel when I have to give it up somehow. Imagined has a new favorite as of 21:24 on Aug 2, 2022 |
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that's the sort of thing that a bunch of people would go 'lol I wish I had that problem' but it does sound like it genuinely sucks and if you have a therapist it would be worth talking to one about it everyone deserves to feel comfortable and not like everything they have will go away at any moment
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I probably make it sound worse than it is. I don't want for anything or do without anything necessary, I just haven't been able to bring myself to restart any collections. The last two years of the pandemic having meant almost no one coming to our house has also been demotivating in that regard. Like, 'who would even see this to be impressed?' Anyway, didn't mean to be a bummer. That's just my hangup. I do love things like MiSTers and stuff like that that lets you experience a large collection of things without having to have shelves full of expensive, fragile collectables.
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I’m the same in not caring for “shelf candy” but for a much more boring reason. I hate dusting.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:I’m the same in not caring for “shelf candy” but for a much more boring reason. I hate dusting. Hell yes. I dust as little as possible and I look at people posting pictures of shelves covered in intricate crap and think what a nightmare that must be. Unless you collect dust bunnies.
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Necrothatcher posted:https://twitter.com/andiefontaine23/status/1554412487231029249?s=20&t=MD_7Q8cXt4dRCjU9F0SPFQ the many layers represent man's separation from the gods. its phallic shape denotes its significance in fertility rites
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evobatman posted:Some old Bang & Olufsen systems, and in the shelf are SNES boxes, NES games, DVDs I'm keeping, my D&D 2nd edition collection and my record collection. The CRT is used with a softmodded Wii for RGB quality retro gaming, and is hooked to the white system with the extremely poorly placed Beolab speakers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE0U018Copw Post the timestamp where you see 'farts' Humphreys has a new favorite as of 12:30 on Aug 3, 2022 |
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I wonder if I still have my old (huge) three-colour typewriter, and if you can get ribbons for it. Probably not the latter as it was already a niche product way back when. e: Maybe I'm remembering wrong and it was just two-colour, but... ee: No it was definitely "Neapolitan" because I remember playing with the switch, and it had three positions. Much more fun than a two-position switch.
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I used to be a collector of computer/video games and systems so I had a lot of crap, one day I said "gently caress it, I barely use this stuff anyway and it's just collecting dust" so I sold the whole collection, selling the stuff took a while but it actually made me feel better in the end, now I have an Amiga 1200 and that's it, whenever I see old systems on flea markets I get the twitch but I never actually buy stuff any more.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I wonder if I still have my old (huge) three-colour typewriter, and if you can get ribbons for it. Probably not the latter as it was already a niche product way back when. You can almost certainly still get ribbons. Was it actually 3 colours or was it 2 colours with a "no ribbon" setting for typing on stencil sheets? (MUCH more common than actual 3 colour machines)
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