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Booky posted:i'm p curious about ur statement on fanfic mostly being bad, as a whole more just that if you scroll through most ao3 fandom tags and just click stuff at random there's a ton of stuff thats like literally unreadable. its raw id. thats not a criticism at all just the stuff that gets a ton of kudos and/or is passably written makes up like 40% tops.
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Aug 3, 2022 05:49
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Endorph posted:oh ive literally written fanfic myself, like within the past few years, i fell off it due to covid depression but dont think im coming at it from an outside view ah yea i get u 👍, and hoping u get the fanfic spark back!! that makes sense as well, especially if theres no like second eyes on it (i guess the lingo is 'beta readers'?) oh i forgot to clarify the bit about "ye olden generalizations" wasn't about u or a specific poster or anything just like a trend i noticed in the thread a bit, earlier dunno if theres a pithier way to word it also, but im kind of wondering if all fiction or stories are initially pure id, before getting refined??
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Aug 3, 2022 06:23
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https://twitter.com/BiteBunnys/status/1554109152237998080
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Aug 3, 2022 07:31
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Sarah Z's video is now titled "An Exhaustive Defense of Fanfiction". I wonder what's up with that.
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Aug 3, 2022 10:04
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Motto posted:she's changed it twice now. I noticed her doing this with the bingewatching video too and iunno if it's feedback or deliberately going for clickbait titles on upload then dialing it back for posterity I've seen several Big Youtubers That Care Too Much About Being Big On Youtube say that changing your title and thumbnail for videos is a good idea to increase click-through rate because the people who were not interested in the video first time around will often not realize it's the same video and maybe this time you managed to make a title+thumb combo that's more interesting to them. So they advise literally just having 4+ titles and thumbnails for every video and changing them out like twice a day or whatever for a little while. I'm pretty sure this is one of those 'official content creator strategies' that people learn, like back when everyone learned to make videos over 10 minutes, or when everyone learned to abuse the gently caress out of community posts. I've started seeing this more and more on news site articles as well and it is one of the most annoying things ever because it occasionally works on me when the changes are brazen enough to materially reframe the content (aka lying about it).
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Aug 3, 2022 10:35
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SummoningSalt rules yeah.
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Aug 3, 2022 11:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA6mjuBUNfY
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Aug 3, 2022 11:31
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The new episode of Flash In The Pan features Eskimo Bob, bathroom humour and the edgiest 2000-era trenchcoat mafioso you're likely to see this month.
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Aug 3, 2022 12:00
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Insurrectionist posted:I've seen several Big Youtubers That Care Too Much About Being Big On Youtube say that changing your title and thumbnail for videos is a good idea to increase click-through rate because the people who were not interested in the video first time around will often not realize it's the same video and maybe this time you managed to make a title+thumb combo that's more interesting to them. So they advise literally just having 4+ titles and thumbnails for every video and changing them out like twice a day or whatever for a little while. I'm pretty sure this is one of those 'official content creator strategies' that people learn, like back when everyone learned to make videos over 10 minutes, or when everyone learned to abuse the gently caress out of community posts. i think assigning malice to it is hilariously conspiracist but also Your Favorite Youtuber is Not Immune To Engagement Farming
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Aug 3, 2022 12:38
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Booky posted:dunno if theres a pithier way to word it also, but im kind of wondering if all fiction or stories are initially pure id, before getting refined?? depends on experience. I find that rough drafts get less rough the more you do fanfic is written mainly as a form of community interaction as opposed to “serious” writing, but ironically it also seems to be one of the only ways you can still reliably write for an audience without having to constantly interact with that audience. I see how much new writers have to constantly hustle these days, it’s exhausting to watch. and that’s not even getting into the ones who get published - as in, not self-published - and still lose money on books because of amazon refunds
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Aug 3, 2022 12:39
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For me a fanfic is basically the same as a Star Wars or Star Trek tie-in novel that I would've read the poo poo out when I was a kid, except it's free. So if I read some reworking of the story of Dragon Age: Origins or Mass Effect I'm having a good time with the same sort of easy trash writing as that, and there are plenty of forums full of people churning out this kind of thing, but fanfiction 'discourse' is all about the SuperWhoLock Tumblr shipping stuff that I just don't connect with at all. I mean, I guess it shows my tastes haven't evolved since I was a kid so it's still trashy and worthy of derision, but at the same time a lot of the 'fanfiction bad' takes address stuff that just doesn't correlate to my own experience of the medium. I guess fanfiction is bad in the same way that anime is bad?
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Aug 3, 2022 14:23
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Insurrectionist posted:I've seen several Big Youtubers That Care Too Much About Being Big On Youtube say that changing your title and thumbnail for videos is a good idea to increase click-through rate because the people who were not interested in the video first time around will often not realize it's the same video and maybe this time you managed to make a title+thumb combo that's more interesting to them. So they advise literally just having 4+ titles and thumbnails for every video and changing them out like twice a day or whatever for a little while. I'm pretty sure this is one of those 'official content creator strategies' that people learn, like back when everyone learned to make videos over 10 minutes, or when everyone learned to abuse the gently caress out of community posts. For the bingewatching video it sure worked on me -- I remember the original title was something like "You Don't Actually Like Bingwatching" and I was like gently caress off, you don't get to tell me what I do and don't like, but the second title was a much less accusatory "Bingwatching Is Bad For TV" and that compelled me to actually click on it. It's me, I'm the slave to the algorithm 
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Aug 3, 2022 17:23
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Speaking of fanfiction, a fan of Game of Thrones/Ice and Fire named Preston Jacobs got blackpilled and is convinced GRRM likely won't finish The Winds of Winter and definitely won't finish A Dream of Spring. So in addition to his usual lore videos and streams, he's decided that he's going to work with his viewers to write TWoW. So far, they have three chapters done. Prologue, Maester Jon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQcoXQaEXZ4 Areo I: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiPRC_8jWUo Daenerys I: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8g0kve4vE The videos are Preston reading them out, but he has the text files in the description.
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Aug 3, 2022 17:40
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I don't do it myself but it all basically comes down to the first 2-3 hours that a video's up been, at least according to the SEO folks and all that, thoroughly crucial to how a video continues to perform in the dreaded algorithm. Up the clicks as much as you possibly can in that time, then change the title to something that's a bit less clickbaity and more descriptive that's probably going to help generate more likes. The thing with a lot of these YouTube things, as silly as they sound, is that they DO work. I don't necessarily like the thought of interrupting the middle of my own video to do a call to action and remind people to like, subscribe and hit the bell and therefore I don't do it, but everyone I've spoken to who does it says that it actually does work, and you can see in the analytics where people clicked on the buttons. Funny enough, a good example from today: The almighty Nostalgia Nerd has a channel update video out that's mostly talking about cool plans for the future -- a new book, a new recording space and what not -- as well as some frustrations with content creation and the way that YouTube works. Trouble is, it can be a bit trickier to get people to actually click on a channel update vid. So as he explains straight off, you have to title it a certain way that kinda gives the wrong impression, but will actually get people to click on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK2LjQ7voN8 You have to play the game a bit sometimes, alas. There's some channels out there who do this all the freaking time and get quite annoying with it, of course -- there's one particular bass tutorial channel that I sub to that, seemingly every other day, puts a video up called "We're Closing this Down". You instinctively click on it and it's only for some bloody competition or whatever. Must have done this dozens of times. Probably a part of why I don't really watch the channel's videos anymore!
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Aug 3, 2022 17:44
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We can all agree real person fics are weird af (assuming the subject isn't in on it and cool with being written about)
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Aug 3, 2022 18:03
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I think even when the subject consents RPF can be really bad. Dream the Minecrafter deliberately courts RPF slashfic as part of his whole parasocial brand, and he's extremely evil.
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Aug 3, 2022 18:34
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I mean, are we making the distinction between real-person fiction and real-person-shipping? 'Cuz there is a distinction. Like, I'm that creep who's absolutely pro-fanfic, pro-fanart, pro-weird-porn-on-the-internet, pro-writing about anything you want even if it's sick and dark -- sometimes especially if it's sick and dark -- and even I will without reservation say that real-person-shipping is absolutely irredeemable, always without exception causing far more harm than any slight bit of good that could justify it.
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Aug 3, 2022 18:36
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:We can all agree real person fics are weird af (assuming the subject isn't in on it and cool with being written about) i think it depends on the context, like i don't see anything that bad about imagining taylor swift in beowulf or something
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Aug 3, 2022 18:38
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I think when it comes to celebrities it's a little different, but it crosses into truly alarming territory when it's your average person, doubly so when it's shipping. But I think that you could maybe have a talk with the person who does it to key them into the fact that they're doing something really really red flag-y first.
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Aug 3, 2022 18:43
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Fresh Prince of Bel-Air but Uncle Phil just looks like The Shredder.
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Aug 3, 2022 18:47
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RareAcumen posted:Fresh Prince of Bel-Air but Uncle Phil just looks like The Shredder. I was surprised when Shredder was white in the new TMNT game because at some point my mental image of him just became James Avery but buff as gently caress and wearing a mask. God Shredder loving rules
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Aug 3, 2022 18:53
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Danaru posted:I was surprised when Shredder was white in the new TMNT game because at some point my mental image of him just became James Avery but buff as gently caress and wearing a mask. God Shredder loving rules Late 80s voice casting was something else. The Shredder was a Japanese man played by a black actor who was written as a predominantly white-coded character. He is thr whole world bound up in one hilariously incompetent rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 3, 2022 20:00
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:i think it depends on the context, like i don't see anything that bad about imagining taylor swift in beowulf or something Ohh yeah no that would slap. I'd def read that.
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Aug 3, 2022 20:14
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Squid Game with Inklings
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Aug 3, 2022 20:17
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Ohh yeah no that would slap. I'd def read that. Lady Gaga in Paradise Lost when??
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Aug 3, 2022 20:31
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ButterSkeleton posted:I think when it comes to celebrities it's a little different, but it crosses into truly alarming territory when it's your average person, doubly so when it's shipping. But I think that you could maybe have a talk with the person who does it to key them into the fact that they're doing something really really red flag-y first. One of the Rooster Teeth guys had real-person fanfic become an issue in his divorce, to the point where he had to get a coworker sworn in to testify that they *weren't* having gay sex with each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_xKK4Wk650
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Aug 3, 2022 21:47
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Ok now I'm pro real person fanfic
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Aug 3, 2022 22:25
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Hamilton is both weird as hell and garbage.
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Aug 3, 2022 22:43
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hamilton is both weird as hell and garbage. yeah people got extremely obsessed with Hamilton in all the worst ways.
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Aug 3, 2022 22:52
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I remember a goon who toxxed themselves and had to write a story about John McCain giving Obama a hot sloppy BJ. So RPF can't be all bad.
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Aug 3, 2022 22:54
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hamilton is both weird as hell and garbage. I can see why people would like it if they didn't know the real history. Some of the singing and lyrics are good in a way I wish the musical was about anyone else.
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Aug 3, 2022 22:59
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hamilton is both weird as hell and garbage. it blows my mind that grown rear end adults who lived through the scourge of 90s edutainment rap appearing in every form of media paid insane amounts of money to say "more please!"
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Aug 3, 2022 23:07
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the virgin hamilton and the chad 1776
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Aug 3, 2022 23:08
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I love 1776 because the first half has a section where there’s over a half hour of dialog between songs
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Aug 3, 2022 23:11
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You question my sick bars, Mr Adams? No, Mr Hamilton, I question your sanity.
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Aug 3, 2022 23:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P_-UCjtU4A This story is pretty bizarre.
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Aug 3, 2022 23:44
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let's make prawn cocktails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k3ydAd5DHM
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Aug 3, 2022 23:48
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I never got into Hamilton but it's kind of crazy how there's this backlash against it now. Did the novelty just wear off?
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Aug 4, 2022 00:50
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I never got into Hamilton but it's kind of crazy how there's this backlash against it now. Did the novelty just wear off? the backlash has been going strong for about 5-6 years now
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Aug 4, 2022 01:21
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Just want to say I'm looking forward to the Legal Eagle episode that I expect started being written today.
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Aug 4, 2022 01:48
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