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TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames

crepeface posted:

why didn't xi hit the instant communism button

it was right there!

A lovely argument. But no, there's a difference between "why can't they transfer to perfect communism tomorrow" and "they could be doing more to treat their workers well, and they aren't."

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my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

crepeface posted:

why didn't xi hit the instant communism button

it was right there!

This is always the funniest one to me

"why is the communist country going through the modes of production Marx described??"

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
oh boo one of the mods is looking at this thread, our fun is about to go away for several hours

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

TheNamedSavior posted:

Great ableism.

It also censored any form of political expression, or news sources that didn't come from the cpc, or other form of self expression CONVIENTLY at the same loving time. A single nice act doesnt turn them into a country that cares about it's people like a mother. Any country that accepts apple wouldn't.

first of all lmao loving forever

second, it's funny that your second sentence implies that the cpc didn't censor stuff before. i feel like this kinda goes against your earlier claims, but what do i know, i haven't got the galaxy brain of the guy who thinks that accepting foreign investment disqualifies you from being communist

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

TheNamedSavior posted:

Great ableism.

It also censored any form of political expression, or news sources that didn't come from the cpc, or other form of self expression CONVIENTLY at the same loving time. A single nice act doesnt turn them into a country that cares about it's people like a mother. Any country that accepts apple wouldn't.

>Great ableism

>censored any...other form of self expression.

:thunk:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Tankbuster posted:

>Great ableism

>censored any...other form of self expression.

:thunk:

it’s not censorship if my perfectly spherical mind prevents it from entering my head!

e:vvv and the thought terminating cliche has arrived

TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames

my bony fealty posted:

In the US suicide nets at work aren't needed because aggrieved workers can just let out a little steam by bringing a gun to work and murdering a few of their colleagues before offing themselves

Whataboutism. Whataboutism. Whataboutism.


my bony fealty posted:

This is always the funniest one to me

"why is the communist country going through the modes of production Marx described??"
gently caress off. "Reeducation" camps aren't socialism. It's been decades, they shouldn't still have loving child workers.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

TheNamedSavior posted:

A lovely argument. But no, there's a difference between "why can't they transfer to perfect communism tomorrow" and "they could be doing more to treat their workers well, and they aren't."

yea, i guess they lifted those 800 milllion people out of poverty as part of some nefarious propaganda scheme or something?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
dear president xi, there are too many games these days. they're being pumped out so often that it's difficult to decide what to play.

you might have heard of a phenomenon called "decision paralysis," which affects us from picking what to watch on netflix to what games to play. does anyone here ever ask themselves, "what game should i play?" please have the national press and publication administration and/or other relevant state regulators look into this matter.

TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames

Cerebral Bore posted:

first of all lmao loving forever

second, it's funny that your second sentence implies that the cpc didn't censor stuff before. i feel like this kinda goes against your earlier claims, but what do i know, i haven't got the galaxy brain of the guy who thinks that accepting foreign investment disqualifies you from being communist

They expanded censorship. And your loving xi fetish posts are embarrasing. Interesting how people barely give you sources on this thread. Or use the same arguments people use to defend the british. "They build trains for the (rich) africans!"

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

TheNamedSavior posted:

A lovely argument. But no, there's a difference between "why can't they transfer to perfect communism tomorrow" and "they could be doing more to treat their workers well, and they aren't."

please educate the thread on everything you know about the material conditions of china's industrial development and why worker conditions haven't improved enough for a first world anarchist to appreciate op

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
I wonder why the CPC would be against free forms of political expression when their neighboring country literally collapsed into itself after allowing reactionary ideals to spread in order to uphold free expression.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

TheNamedSavior posted:

Aparently its okay for Ukraine to insert their independence, but not Tawian.

Everyone gets to insert their independence. We don't judge.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
“sources” lmao. no one is writing you a loving essay with citations dweeb

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

its crazy that China exists in an isolated bubble outside of international capitalism and therefore is bad for not having done full communism now in a few decades

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

guys it's really important that we all fall in line and oppose Evil China, why don't you understand this. yes of course the USA is evil, but it's really important that we spend all of our time and energy talking about how evil china is, and only acknowledge that other countries are evil for the sake of appearances. talking about non-chinese governments too much is bad because it distracts from our rhetorical target: enemies of western imperialist hegemony. sorry I don't make the rules of anarchism that's just how it is

please post good opinions only I am begging you

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

TheNamedSavior posted:

Whataboutism. Whataboutism. Whataboutism.

gently caress off. "Reeducation" camps aren't socialism. It's been decades, they shouldn't still have loving child workers.

hey dumbshit this is cpsam, not d&d. here we call 'whataboutism' being consistent in your position.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

webcams for christ posted:

guys it's really important that we all fall in line and oppose Evil China, why don't you understand this. yes of course the USA is evil, but it's really important that we spend all of our time and energy talking about how evil china is, and only acknowledge that other countries are evil for the sake of appearances. talking about non-chinese governments too much is bad because it distracts from our rhetorical target: enemies of western imperialist hegemony. sorry I don't make the rules of anarchism that's just how it is

please post good opinions only I am begging you

The US isn't in Eurasia. He is right.

TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames

Tankbuster posted:

I wonder why the CPC would be against free forms of political expression when their neighboring country literally collapsed into itself after allowing reactionary ideals to spread in order to uphold free expression.

CONGRATS, you're LITERALLY DEFENDING CENSORSHIP. Education like Critical Race Theory is what stops reactionary ideals, not the government making GBS threads on us. gently caress off.

TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames

my bony fealty posted:

its crazy that China exists in an isolated bubble outside of international capitalism and therefore is bad for not having done full communism now in a few decades

Lmao at supporting child workers, lmao.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

TheNamedSavior posted:

CONGRATS, you're LITERALLY DEFENDING CENSORSHIP. Education like Critical Race Theory is what stops reactionary ideals, not the government making GBS threads on us. gently caress off.

CRT is stupid Frankfurt school bullshit lol

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

TheNamedSavior posted:


gently caress off. "Reeducation" camps aren't socialism.

Then how would we deal with people like you?

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

TheNamedSavior posted:

CONGRATS, you're LITERALLY DEFENDING CENSORSHIP. Education like Critical Race Theory is what stops reactionary ideals, not the government making GBS threads on us. gently caress off.

I watched the uncensored press topple a progressive government in my country that was trying to make food distribution a legal right and replace it with a far right one that wants a race war against minorities.

excellent bit btw.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
i guess sometime around 1990 a wizened cabal of cpc mandarins gathered in the crypts beneath beijing to figure out how to oppress the working class even further, but apparently they were so incompetent that they accidentally eliminated absolute poverty instead?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Now that I'm thinking about it at least they call themselves communists, whereas the moniker is anathema to politicians here. Just that means a lot more leftwing policy is possible there because doing useful stuff hasn't been forsworn by their ruling class.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Tankbuster posted:

The US isn't in Eurasia. He is right.

then why isn't he advocating for the overthrow of western governments in every one of their respective threads

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

if someone went through the trouble of posting extensively sourced refutations of all your idiotic diatribes you'd just move on to another made up thing, then another, then another. see, it turns out the demand for citations in a place like this is often a means by which pudding-brained dullards (you) attempt to slow the rate of reply so you can keep shotgun blasting liquid poo poo all over the thread. i don't do effortposts anymore because what is the loving point, these forums are not a salon for intellectual dialogue, they are a place where sometimes people yell at each other and everyone else watches and throws peanut shells

in conclusion: gently caress you.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

thechosenone posted:

Now that I'm thinking about it at least they call themselves communists, whereas the moniker is anathema to politicians here. Just that means a lot more leftwing policy is possible there because doing useful stuff hasn't been forsworn by their ruling class.

Thats not limited to the big red button. Japan had a much less free market economy during the entirety of it's economic miracle and the moment free marketeers enacted their policies the country has been in a generation long economic stasis.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009


according to this survey just as many taiwanese people support maintaining the current situation as the ones who want separation immediately
i figured some higher numbers for unification, i dunno, seems like an untenable situation

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Tankbuster posted:

I wonder why the CPC would be against free forms of political expression when their neighboring country literally collapsed into itself after allowing reactionary ideals to spread in order to uphold free expression.
need to read more about the 1980s but i read one account recently that gorby couldn't get the support he needed for his (half-baked, poorly-thought-out) reforms from within the party, so he "opened" up the system with one important caveat: you can criticize everything except the reforms. so suddenly a bunch of liberal anti-communists and outright reactionary cranks start getting jobs as editors of major media outlets which would be, like, i dunno... the PSL + assorted C-SPAM goons taking over the BBC and new york times

which the BBC and the new york times is most. definitely. not. going to let happen.

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

TheNamedSavior posted:

Whataboutism.

When you point at something and say "that's bad" - that necessarily implies it is bad *relative to something else* otherwise how could you know it's bad? So "whataboutism" is already implicitly present when you criticise anything, and using it to deflect an argument is just lazy.
Pointing out poor behaviour on the part of China is to compare it to something else that's supposedly better in some way - usually this thing is the US or the West in general which are painted as morally superior or to have better treatment of workers/electorate/etc.
Unfortunately this moral comparison is complete bullshit as it's plainly obvious that anything the Chinese government can be accused of doing, guaranteed the US is already doing it, and likely to a worse degree.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Honest Thief posted:



according to this survey just as many taiwanese people support maintaining the current situation as the ones who want separation immediately
i figured some higher numbers for unification, i dunno, seems like an untenable situation

from the poll and history everyone was/is fine with the status quo but racist whites keep trying to upend it

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Honest Thief posted:



according to this survey just as many taiwanese people support maintaining the current situation as the ones who want separation immediately
i figured some higher numbers for unification, i dunno, seems like an untenable situation

you should read those numbers again. independence immediately only has 5 percent support, and status quo toward independence 25 (dark green vs light green). hardly a majority

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Honest Thief posted:



according to this survey just as many taiwanese people support maintaining the current situation as the ones who want separation immediately
i figured some higher numbers for unification, i dunno, seems like an untenable situation

according to that survey about 70% of taiwanese people support maintaining the status quo either temporarily or indefinitely whereas only 30% support eventual or immediate independence

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

TheNamedSavior posted:

Whataboutism. Whataboutism. Whataboutism.

i think this one is starting to glitch

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
it’s not very surprising that any group of people wants to hold onto the present situation instead of charting a new, unknown, and spooky course

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

R. Guyovich posted:

you should read those numbers again. independence immediately only has 5 percent support, and status quo toward independence 25 (dark green vs light green). hardly a majority

oh youre right lol i misread the black line with the triangle being the very dark shade of green
this makes way more sense now

TheNamedSavior
Mar 10, 2019

by VideoGames
Meanwhile, ignore the amount of people in China who live in caves.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

TheNamedSavior posted:

Meanwhile, ignore the amount of people in China who live in caves.

oh boy racism time

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Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

TheNamedSavior posted:

Meanwhile, ignore the amount of people in China who live in caves.

my cousin does live in a small house in the mountains but hardly a cave

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