Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:We had tram lines on nearly every loving street here and a fleet of over 650 tram cars for a population of 1.6m in 1970. It was all thrown away in the late sixties / early seventies in the service of the automobile and I'm still livid about it. Yeah I moved to Melbourne because it is one of the few English speaking cities to escape that fate. My home town of Vancouver removed all of its trams too and only started building commuter train lines in the 80s, so there's only like 4 lines for 2.5 million. Vancouver huffs and puffs at spending 1 billion for a train extension like most North Americans cities. Meanwhile Melbourne is spending $100 billion to future proof its already comprehensive system by building a suburban rail loop to connect all the spokes coming from the city centre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFitzpsP8E
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McCracAttack posted:How do you keep homeless people from walking into your neighborhood and doing drugs at you? The government pays jobless people $1760 per month, not including housing assistance.
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McCracAttack posted:How do you keep homeless people from walking into your neighborhood and doing drugs at you? todd is not homeless, he lives in a van
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:We had tram lines on nearly every loving street here and a fleet of over 650 tram cars for a population of 1.6m in 1970. It was all thrown away in the late sixties / early seventies in the service of the automobile and I'm still livid about it. This almost happened in Melbourne, in the 60s there were plans to demolish a lot of our infrastructure in order to build a huge web of highways. Public outcry, union pushback and a strong propaganda campaign from the Melbourne & Metropolitan Tramways Board prevented this. I think I read that if we had to build our tram network from scratch it would cost over 100 billion US dollars (even more in Australian dollars). Here's a map of the highway system the Victorian government wanted to build before sanity prevailed.  And here's a pretty fantastic example of the sort of pro public transport, anti car, propaganda that was being pumped out in the 60s in order to defend our tram network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L1GUvcPEJc
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:they were posting in SA too Yeah, 5-7 years ago, it was almost gospel that self-driving cars would change the world entirely and make public transportation obsolete, bring a new golden age etc etc. Part of that dream was centrally controlled cars...something that literally would never happen (and wouldn't make a major difference with traffic anyway). People were openly arguing "it was too late to invest in public transit" since the future was going to be here in "10 years" anyway. It wasn't that long ago. Basically, they didn't want to spent a single cent on anyone else and also wanted "AI" to get rid of all the cars in front of them, this was their idea of a utopia.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:We had tram lines on nearly every loving street here and a fleet of over 650 tram cars for a population of 1.6m in 1970. It was all thrown away in the late sixties / early seventies in the service of the automobile and I'm still livid about it. Rome had an extensive tram and rail network in pre-WWII times which survived the war mostly intact. Current estimates point at ~5% of that having survived the great dismantling of the 1960s-70s and we've been struggling to catch up ever since. Also the 60s were a nightmare of unplanned development to feed local large enterprises of the construction sector and we're also paying the price for that still.
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mortons stork posted:Rome had an extensive tram and rail network in pre-WWII times which survived the war mostly intact. wow, the Roman emperors really thought ahead
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:wow, the Roman emperors really thought ahead The ancient Romans might have actually had primitive guideway systems.. so not even that far off.
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boonies on the outskirts of LA County love having unwalkable, borderline undriveable suburbs
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Dr. Killjoy posted:boonies on the outskirts of LA County love having unwalkable, borderline
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every time I look at this Brooklyn trolley map from the 30s I feel so sad, imagine having this now
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Now multiply this x1000 and you'll really understand Zooming out a bit gives you a sense of the scale of the problem. It's a few city-like spots drowning in an ocean of suburbs. 
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Dr. Killjoy posted:boonies on the outskirts of LA County love having unwalkable, borderline undriveable suburbs maze-on-the-kids-menu-rear end development. looks like the planner had an edging fetish with how those streets all terminate just before forming actual intersections
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Dr. Killjoy posted:boonies on the outskirts of LA County love having unwalkable, borderline undriveable suburbs I love open-air prisons! 😃
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The suburb where I grew up in MN just voted to reject a rapid bus line from entering the city because dangerous minorities from the big city might use it to come to the suburbs.
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the jones are out of paper towels! draw a line from their house to the nearest big box store to help them find their way without getting lost!
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 St. Louis also killed its street car lines, and stopped making cool maps with the river on the bottom 
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dxt posted:The suburb where I grew up in MN just voted to reject a rapid bus line from entering the city because dangerous minorities from the big city might use it to come to the suburbs. $10/gal plz
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Mr. Sharps posted:maze-on-the-kids-menu-rear end development. looks like the planner had an edging fetish with how those streets all terminate just before forming actual intersections I! loving! LOVE! CUL-DE-SACS! Maed posted:every time I look at this Brooklyn trolley map from the 30s I feel so sad, imagine having this now disgusting primitive technology. you want us to use rotary phones too? society has moved on, you luddite
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Xaris posted:$10/gal plz
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Hedenius posted:Zooming out a bit gives you a sense of the scale of the problem. It's a few city-like spots drowning in an ocean of suburbs. And you can zoom out a lot more than that! It's hell!!! Which is a shame, because the piedmont can be really beautiful, and it's only a matter of time until this crap takes over the mountains. My dream is a Marta line that goes directly to Helen. It's the only way to save the mountains from suburbia. (Also you'd have to expand Marta significantly within the metro area and convince people to ride it, but that's another story)
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And not one person in the political sphere will suggest regulating cars further The gun lobby wishes they had the coverage the car lobby does
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dxt posted:The suburb where I grew up in MN just voted to reject a rapid bus line from entering the city because dangerous minorities from the big city might use it to come to the suburbs. which suburb?
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sat on my keys! posted:https://twitter.com/johnbdias/status/1554786655164399618?s=21&t=kaQK4KtU2slMSWEEX8ntLA the outcome of this investigation will determine whether we tut-tut or shrug our shoulders
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sat on my keys! posted:https://twitter.com/johnbdias/status/1554786655164399618?s=21&t=kaQK4KtU2slMSWEEX8ntLA
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sat on my keys! posted:https://twitter.com/johnbdias/status/1554786655164399618?s=21&t=kaQK4KtU2slMSWEEX8ntLA "Innocent" pedestrians?
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mortons stork posted:"Innocent" pedestrians? First step of every death is an angel check
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:i guess... cars... aren't entirely bad???????? they still have a lot of work to do to catch up to helicopters
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Dr. Killjoy posted:boonies on the outskirts of LA County love having unwalkable, borderline undriveable suburbs No one should look to the Antelope valley for good ideas
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actionjackson posted:which suburb? Im guessing White Bear Lake. I did my best to Google after he said that cause I was like who was up for BRT? So I could be wrong! But that definitely sounds about right. https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2022/05/how-a-dog-whistle-campaign-against-the-purple-line-forced-white-bear-lake-transit-into-a-corner/ Awful, that route looks super effective! Edit: I was gonna call it lily-white but 90%!?! Jeeeeesus. You have to work for those kinds of numbers. Boywhiz88 has issued a correction as of 08:47 on Aug 4, 2022 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:they still have a lot of work to do to catch up to helicopters I saw some lefty podcaster tweet about how the helicopter is a naxalite maoist and delights in killing its self-important rich douchebag users and the quote has been stuck in my head ever since
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Toronto still has a semblance of a tram network: (the green and yellow lines are subways) But it's still nothing compared to what it was in the 1930s:  Two of the major lines there were replaced by subways (Yonge and Bloor), and some of them are still intact, but a lot are just gone. And these days the trams (which we call "streetcars" because I guess Canadians don't like the word tram) are often hell to ride because they go even slower than all the traffic around them, so you go about walking pace any time there are cars on the road, which is all the time. The couple that have been given separated right of way down the centre of wide streets are really nice though.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I can barely stand to visit Atlanta. Every time something fun comes up that I want to do there, I have to weigh it vs driving in that traffic. I don't know how people can stand to live there. are flights to atlanta still like $16
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sat on my keys! posted:https://twitter.com/johnbdias/status/1554786655164399618?s=21&t=kaQK4KtU2slMSWEEX8ntLA I like the inclusion of the word 'innocent,' like the natural assumption is that pedestrians are responsible for their own deaths unless proven otherwise.
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cool av posted:are flights to atlanta still like $16 I don't think cheap flights exist right now, anywhere
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Another stunning display of American freedom https://old.reddit.com/r/notjustbikes/comments/wfhp2r/just_driving_back_from_my_morning_jog_if_you_need/
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vyelkin posted:Toronto still has a semblance of a tram network: So many of these streetcars go down streets that allow parking in the curb lane, which basically means they're often reduced to one lane streets. Then there's the fact that the new streetcars are really long and heavy, and take forever to get going, which makes it even worse when stuck in stop-and-go traffic or when they inevitably hit every other red light. On top of that, most stops require passengers to cross through the turning lane to get to or from the middle lane where the streetcar is, and of course car drivers are so impatient and angry about being stuck in traffic that they often blast through the turning lane as fast as possible when the streetcar stops to try to beat the doors opening. The number of times I've seen streetcar passengers get clipped by someone's car is insane. But we can't take parking off the streets or restrict the amount of drivers because that would make it more difficult for people to commute.
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