Trabisnikof posted:

You know how volcanos block global warming? Well….

lol lmao etc

an egg posted:

one of these days i'm going to drop a 10k word dissertation about fury road on this thread in retaliation for all that it has done to the western imagining of what the collapse of society will look like. you people reference it constantly and thus force me to think about it almost every day.

mawarannahr posted:

it’s a sensuous fantasy for the carbrained

an egg posted:

the good news is that it probably won't be like the road either. that's just a crazy old white man fantasising about being alone in the ruins with his boy and only having to worry about stuff like cannibal gangs rather than like, the kid plays too much nintendo and doesn't respect his elders. a can of coke is a magical moment rather than a constant source of parental shame and anxiety. everybody is dead, it's really cold, global warming is over, it's fantastic (from the point of view of cormac mccarthy)

an egg posted:

meanwhile, george miller's ideal future...

starkebn posted:

starkebn posted:

an egg posted:

one of these days i'm going to drop a 10k word dissertation about mad max and what it has done to the western imagining of what the collapse of society will look like on this thread in retaliation for what you have done to me. you people reference it constantly and thus force me to think about it almost every day. it's done strange things to my brain

The Long Descent, John M. Greer posted:

Believers in apocalypse, for their part, insist that the end of industrial civilization will be sudden, catastrophic, and total. That claim is just as hard to square with the realities of our predicament as the argument for perpetual progress. Every previous civilization that has fallen has taken centuries to collapse, and there’s no reason to think the present case will be any different. The resource base of industrial society is shrinking but it’s far from exhausted. The impact of global warming and other ecological disruptions build slowly over time, and governments and ordinary citizens alike have every reason to hold things together as long as possible.

The history of the last century — think of the Great Depression, the Second World War, and the brutal excesses of Communism and Nazism, just for starters — shows that industrial societies can endure tremendous disruption without dissolving into a Hobbesian war of all against all. People in hard times are far more likely to follow orders and hope for the best than to turn into the rampaging, mindless mobs that play so large a role in survivalist fantasies these days. The sorry history of the Y2K noncrisis a few years ago — a subject we’ll be discussing in more detail in the next chapter — offers a useful reminder that claims of catastrophe can be overstated.

But fantasy is often more appealing than reality, and most of the apocalyptic notions in circulation these days draw very heavily on popular fantasies. The idea (common just now among some Christians) that all good Christians will be raptured away to heaven just as the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket is a case in point. It’s a lightly disguised fantasy of mass suicide — when you tell the kids that Grandma went to heaven to be with Jesus, most people understand what that means — and it also serves as a way for people to pretend to themselves that God will rescue them from the consequences of their own actions. That’s one of history’s all time bad bets, but it’s certainly been a popular one.

The Hollywood notion of an overnight collapse is just as much of a fantasy. It makes for great screenplays but has nothing to do with the realities of how civilizations fall [...] and so the likely course of things is gradual descent rather than freefall, following the same trajectory marked out by so many civilizations in the past. Nor does decline necessarily proceed at a steady pace; between sudden crises come intervals of relative stability, even moderate improvement. Different regions decline at different paces; existing social, economic, and political structures are replaced, not with complete chaos, but with transitional structures that may themselves develop pretty fair institutional strength.

mawarannahr posted:

Trabisnikof posted:

You know how volcanos block global warming? Well….

https://mobile.twitter.com/Weather_West/status/1554973952002252801?s=20


lol lmao etc

didn’t one of the IPCC reports suggest volcanos could be the best hope?

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_SPM.pdf posted:

C.1.4 - Based on paleoclimate and historical evidence, it is likely that at least one large explosive volcanic eruption would occur
during the 21st century.38 Such an eruption would reduce global surface temperature and precipitation, especially over land,
for one to three years, alter the global monsoon circulation, modify extreme precipitation and change many CIDs (medium
confidence). If such an eruption occurs, this would therefore temporarily and partially mask human-caused climate change.
{2.2, 4.4, Cross-Chapter Box 4.1, 8.5, TS.2.1}

Hubbert posted:

im already there

also

The Voice of Labor posted:

when was the last end of the world moment for white people? fall of the roman empire?

Shifty Nipples posted:

I have not seen any of the Mad Max movies

Shifty Nipples posted:

I have not seen any of the Mad Max movies

MLSM posted:

Your loss

Oglethorpe posted:

shame

at least go for 1 and 2

Egg Moron posted:

are books edible?

The Voice of Labor posted:

I dunno, the first one's kinda just australia in the 70's.

quote:

People of color make up more than half the residents in counties that experienced at least three climate disasters in the past five years. These counties also have a higher proportion of residents who speak limited English and people in poverty than the rest of the country.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency’s disaster preparedness spending — which includes money to help people relocate — already falls short of the need, experts say. And it’s not flowing out equitably, according to the analysis by Columbia Journalism Investigations and its partners.

Among hard-hit counties, places with a higher share of residents of color than the national average received about 40% less funding per person. A similar trend held over the last three decades.

Taken together, the findings highlight how, in the face of climate-driven disasters, communities across the country in the greatest need of government assistance receive less of it — if they get anything at all.

These challenges affect a large and growing number of people. In 2018, the government’s most recent National Climate Assessment warned that more than 13 million people across the country may need to move by the end of the century due to sea level rise. Add the effects of hurricanes, flooding rivers and wildfires, and millions more will need to seek out safer parts of the country — or remain trapped in damaged, dangerous conditions.

mediaphage posted:

could probably make vodka if you do it right

an egg posted:

one of these days i'm going to drop a 10k word dissertation about mad max and what it has done to the western imagining of what the collapse of society will look like on this thread in retaliation for what you have done to me. you people reference it constantly and thus force me to think about it almost every day. it's done strange things to my brain

The Voice of Labor posted:

I dunno, the first one's kinda just australia in the 70's. if it weren't for the flamboyant police chief it would have pretty much 0 memetic value. the second one is the one everyone watched and which informed the hell out of apocalypse chic. the one with tina turner in it is incredibly dense in memeium and extremely 80s, like, if the end of the world were a duran duran video. fury road's pretty good and fun. it's super ostentatious and no expense spared, but all the spectacle actually seems like it's for something. the armies and noise and fire actually impress upon you the viewer that big things are afoot

endlessmonotony posted:

Yup, books are a source of human-accessible calories if you ferment them.

mawarannahr posted:

1453

Trabisnikof posted:

you can grow oyster mushrooms on books pretty easily

an egg posted:

to clarify, they're still great movies. i enjoyed every second of fury road, with shame in my heart.

The Voice of Labor posted:

when was the last end of the world moment for white people? fall of the roman empire?

The Voice of Labor posted:

when was the last end of the world moment for white people? fall of the roman empire?