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Cooked Auto posted:I don't think the jokes about AoSing 40k were ever funny. It's ok, its happening with 30k instead
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JBP posted:30k looks like it's still 18 armies of the same guys in different colours to me op Hey that's not true! They have different shoulder pads now!
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/05/two-saves-are-better-than-one-for-the-horrific-hordes-in-codex-chaos-daemons First Daemon Codex preview is up.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/05/two-saves-are-better-than-one-for-the-horrific-hordes-in-codex-chaos-daemons  quote:It might be their unnatural loping gait, or perhaps Khorne’s just too busy 76pom,.enjoying the spectacle of close combat to lend his protection?**
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I'm curious what the daemon combat patrol will look like, since there's essentially four separate model ranges to bring together.
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New 40k RPG coming: https://www.polygon.com/23293019/40k-imperium-maledictum-d100-gencon-2022 it looks like Dark Heresy 3.0. I pre-ordered Wrath and Glory and have been pretty disappointed in it, so maybe starting fresh is the better thing but still kind of disappointed if they are abandoning it since it did have some good ideas.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/05/two-saves-are-better-than-one-for-the-horrific-hordes-in-codex-chaos-daemons What irrationally annoys me about this article is this: quote:In these dark times, daemonic forces are close at hand. The daemons of the warp chitter beyond the veil, gnawing at the thin divide between our realms. In a more literal sense, Codex: Chaos Daemons is nearing release.* No they would not, the Ordo Malleus would like a word drat it!
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/05/two-saves-are-better-than-one-for-the-horrific-hordes-in-codex-chaos-daemons
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Aug 5, 2022 15:40
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neaden posted:Did they really give Demons Invulnerabler saves? How long until someone gets a weapon that ignores even these? I don't think they're invulnerable saves, they're regular savs, but split for melee and ranged.
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:I don't think they're invulnerable saves, they're regular savs, but split for melee and ranged. The second footnote says 'While this may look an awful lot like an invulnerable save, it’s not – daemons are far stranger! Even a railgun can’t just ignore Daemonic Invulnerability." So I think they are just invulnerable but better.
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neaden posted:The second footnote says 'While this may look an awful lot like an invulnerable save, it’s not – daemons are far stranger! Even a railgun can’t just ignore Daemonic Invulnerability." So I think they are just invulnerable but better. Oh. Ugh. It's like they are intentionally doing codex creep at this point, openly and flagrantly.
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neaden posted:New 40k RPG coming: https://www.polygon.com/23293019/40k-imperium-maledictum-d100-gencon-2022 it looks like Dark Heresy 3.0. I pre-ordered Wrath and Glory and have been pretty disappointed in it, so maybe starting fresh is the better thing but still kind of disappointed if they are abandoning it since it did have some good ideas. What annoys me is that I follow C7 on twitter and didn't see a word about that. Unless I somehow missed it completely between all their GenCon floor chatter. Edit: Ah, no official word on it yet. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Aug 5, 2022 |
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I don't get why a bloodletter has a better save vs. ranged than melee. To let it get to melee in fighting shape? But then it'll go down faster in the space where it's supposed to be good. Just seems thematically that they should be weaker to bullets than blades. I do like the visual of a railgun or powerfist ripping through a demon and the demon just reforming around the hole left by the shockwave, but I have a feeling this is going to screw IG/T'''''au a bit.
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Admiralty Flag posted:I don't get why a bloodletter has a better save vs. ranged than melee. To let it get to melee in fighting shape? But then it'll go down faster in the space where it's supposed to be good. Just seems thematically that they should be weaker to bullets than blades. Thematically it makes sense. Getting shot with a gun makes Khorne mad so his demons are more resistant to it. But getting chopped up in melee? That loving rules bro, Khorne cares not whence the blood flows. He's all about folks getting chopped up in melee, even if they're his own guys. Khorne is just as pumped about a Bloodletter getting beheaded as a Space Marine.
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Yes, and I think lorewise it was noticed early on that hitting the monsters with a sword worked better than shooting them with lasers or nukes for some reason, so no serious future soldier will be seen without something to hit guys with.
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Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:Yes, and I think lorewise it was noticed early on that hitting the monsters with a sword worked better than shooting them with lasers or nukes for some reason, so no serious future soldier will be seen without something to hit guys with. There's more ~force of will~ in a sword than a laser or a bullet
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Geisladisk posted:Thematically it makes sense. khorne's always been intended to be just as horny for industrialized warfare with guns (very efficient at killing, y'know), no need to join GW's less inspired writers in over emphasising the berserker stuff in justifying why an army skewed towards elite melee infantry might be given protection against being shot off the board
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Khorne loving hates magic and guns are just bullet magic
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moths posted:Khorne loving hates magic and guns are just bullet magic ah drat, someone tell khorne about all those khornate daemon engines with guns, ideological consistency of the whole operation is being shot in the foot
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Assessor of Maat posted:ah drat, someone tell khorne about all those khornate daemon engines with guns, ideological consistency of the whole operation is being shot in the foot I mean they obviously shoot skulls. Or tiny swords.
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Khorne likes it all, but he likes an old fashioned biffo most.
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Assessor of Maat posted:ah drat, someone tell khorne about all those khornate daemon engines with guns, ideological consistency of the whole operation is being shot in the foot
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Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:Yes, and I think lorewise it was noticed early on that hitting the monsters with a sword worked better than shooting them with lasers or nukes for some reason, so no serious future soldier will be seen without something to hit guys with. Yeah I think it was the Ultras who got boarded with Daemons during the Heresy and standard "shoot the melee guys" strats didn't work or something
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Those guns don't actually fire, it's a bit like ork engineering in that you think they are firing as that is what you expect, what is actually happening is they are breaking off the main body of the demon engine and hitting you in the face before returning to their original position, it just happens really fast due to warp fuckary
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Eej posted:Yeah I think it was the Ultras who got boarded with Daemons during the Heresy and standard "shoot the melee guys" strats didn't work or something Sergeant Thiel notices this and raids Guileman's private stash of weird weapons to arm a rag tag group of survivors. When questioned about this he's like "we noticed melee and fire work best, so we just immediately grabbed melee and fire weapons, no matter where they were". HH Ultramarines are pretty cool.
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I did enjoy the Know No Fear audiobook. Just a shame the ending was very Abnett.
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Cooked Auto posted:What annoys me is that I follow C7 on twitter and didn't see a word about that. Now there is https://cubicle7games.com/announcing-warhammer-40000-imperium-maledictum/
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MonsterEnvy posted:Now there is Yeah I saw that. Didn't say all that much new in this case, other than specifying the sector it takes place.
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Asking as someone with a bunch of unexpected store credit, is three Skulldozers still a legal army?
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The real question about daemon saves is will the grey knight daemon slayer warlord trait still ignore them. Is it an ignore ignore invuln invuln, I mean.
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moths posted:Asking as someone with a bunch of unexpected store credit, is three Skulldozers still a legal army? We will find out once codex daemons drops
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Serdain posted:The real question about daemon saves is will the grey knight daemon slayer warlord trait still ignore them. It'll have to be FAQ'd because Daemon Saves are Invulnerable Saves that are not considered Invulnerable Saves so anything that keys off Invulnerable Saves doesn't work.
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I hate the save stupidity of this game. That's ok, I'll keep buying that trash.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/0UPqs47kQdCnWDiZ.jpg Can't wait to see Tau up against an entire army of 3+ unignorable invulnerable saves.
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Eej posted:It'll have to be FAQ'd because Daemon Saves are Invulnerable Saves that are not considered Invulnerable Saves so anything that keys off Invulnerable Saves doesn't work. Isn't that the point though ?? If they wanted them to be the same as invulns they'd just call them invulns. They specifically mention tau railgun doesn't ignore it. As a Daemons player ill totally fine with a stupid niche targeted warlord trait to only work against Daemons without daemon saves... Daemon princes and primarchs I guess ?
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raverrn posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/0UPqs47kQdCnWDiZ.jpg Use kroot 
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The most obvious outcome of the Tau getting an “ignore invulnerable saves” weapon was to make an even more invulnerable unit, like it was immediately apparent they were gonna do it. It’s fun, in a way, that GW codex writing follows schoolyard “nuh-uh” philosophy.
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Serdain posted:Isn't that the point though ?? If they wanted them to be the same as invulns they'd just call them invulns. Yeah like I said, that trait will have to be FAQ'd to something else probably or only be used for those units. I dunno, it seems pretty straightforward to me. It's a save no ifs ands or buts.
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