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Like what if Trek just quietly introduced two-headed Klingons? Like they're ogres from Warcraft 2 or some poo poo
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bltzn posted:If you actually look at the discovery klingons they didn't change much with the redesign. The only differences are: wrong
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Aug 6, 2022 02:21
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Things the definitely aren't nerdy: an enumerated list of Klingon features over time
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Aug 6, 2022 02:55
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The Bloop posted:Things the definitely aren't nerdy: an enumerated list of Klingon features over time a vulcan hello
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Aug 6, 2022 03:10
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The thing that nobody seems to be talking about with the Klingon redesign is that it doesn't matter because I didn't watch that show. Them reversing course on it and going back to classic Klingons is fine because it means that nothing actually changed (for me).
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Aug 6, 2022 03:12
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bltzn posted:If you actually look at the discovery klingons they didn't change much with the redesign. The only differences are: Here's a thing the Discovery klingons didn't have that other kingons did: the ability to emote and make facial expressions.
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Aug 6, 2022 04:10
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Yeah the worst part about the S1 Disco Klingons is their mush-mouths dragging scenes through molasses
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Aug 6, 2022 04:11
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Yeah, doing a shitton of dialogue in Klingon was a big issue but also the sheer amount of makeup and appliances on the Discovery Klingons made them both hard to differentiate and hard for the actors to emote. If I look at TNG era Klingon, I can generally recognize the character because I can see most of the (real) face, there's distinctive costuming and hairstyles to each named character. With the Disco ones, it's just a lot harder for me to figure out who I'm looking at.
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Aug 6, 2022 05:26
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bltzn posted:a vulcan hello A Klingon mockery of a Vulcan hello: "Avoid death and cower."
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Aug 6, 2022 05:30
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A Vulcan wake up call. We send Pivek into your room and he beats the poo poo out of you if you aren't up already. From then on you'll be awake on time, it is only logical.
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Aug 6, 2022 06:03
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I Am Fowl posted:Yeah, doing a shitton of dialogue in Klingon was a big issue but also the sheer amount of makeup and appliances on the Discovery Klingons made them both hard to differentiate and hard for the actors to emote. If I look at TNG era Klingon, I can generally recognize the character because I can see most of the (real) face, there's distinctive costuming and hairstyles to each named character. With the Disco ones, it's just a lot harder for me to figure out who I'm looking at. How much of that was on purpose though, so we could all be surprised by Tyler. If Tyler had been a TNG klingon that never would have worked.
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Aug 6, 2022 06:17
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For all the well-deserved poo poo Discovery gets, some of its ancillary characters are great. I really enjoyed both the characters of the Federation President and Dadmiral Chief of the Fleet.
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Aug 6, 2022 08:17
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Facebook Aunt posted:How much of that was on purpose though, so we could all be surprised by Tyler. If Tyler had been a TNG klingon that never would have worked. From what I remember of the thread everyone figured it out about an hour after the first Tyler episode aired because of the completely empty imdb for the alleged Klingon actor.
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Aug 6, 2022 11:29
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Kling Fandango
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Aug 6, 2022 12:35
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8one6 posted:From what I remember of the thread everyone figured it out about an hour after the first Tyler episode aired because of the completely empty imdb for the alleged Klingon actor. That's true but that's not how a normal person would watch television
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Aug 6, 2022 15:38
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What's a normal person??
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Aug 6, 2022 16:41
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feedmyleg posted:What's a normal person?? A normal person is a spheroid 705 meters in diameter.
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Aug 6, 2022 16:46
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Wee Bairns posted:For all the well-deserved poo poo Discovery gets, some of its ancillary characters are great. I really enjoyed both the characters of the Federation President and Dadmiral Chief of the Fleet. Oded Fehr is one eternally good looking dude I also liked the hereditary lieutenant in the first future episode
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Aug 6, 2022 16:50
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It's weird because the Jason Isaacs twist was far more interesting and also teased quite well.
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Aug 6, 2022 16:50
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Professor Beetus posted:A normal person is a spheroid 705 meters in diameter. Oh good, there's nothing wrong with me.
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Aug 6, 2022 16:51
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feedmyleg posted:What's a normal person?? Ugly bag of mostly water.
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Aug 6, 2022 16:53
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Facebook Aunt posted:Ugly bag of mostly water. 
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Aug 6, 2022 16:55
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Wee Bairns posted:For all the well-deserved poo poo Discovery gets, some of its ancillary characters are great. I really enjoyed both the characters of the Federation President and Dadmiral Chief of the Fleet. David Cronenberg deserved a better star trek series.
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Aug 6, 2022 17:00
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Phy posted:I also liked the hereditary lieutenant in the first future episode Actually one of the biggest problems with Discovery in my opinion is that they keep introducing amazing ideas like that and then just... drop them. Like, there's a whole new (and significantly more mercantile) star empire in control of all the planets and it looks like our fish out of water time travellers will have to learn to navigate these troubled waters. There are isolated remnants of the federation left behind. What has happened in these pockets, where federation values have broken down or been corrupted over time, or maintained at what cost? A crime boss is offering a fraught compromise with federation authorities in a time of great upheaval and change. There will surely be consequences for defying this powerful individual, especially when the federation is in its weakened state. All of these are super interesting ideas that just go... nowhere.
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Aug 6, 2022 17:02
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I like that dude with the glasses who looks like future Martin Scorsese or something
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Aug 6, 2022 18:22
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That's the biggest thing I can articulate when people ask me why I dislike Disco compared to old Trek. I was going through the Memory Alpha behind the scenes info for DS9, so many episodes came about because the writers were like "why don't we do an episode exploring what would happen if..." The Disco writers' room isn't interested in exploring anything that isn't required to move the plot from A to B, and anything else is left behind and discarded. This is probably great if you're a plot-oriented tv watcher, but for me personally that's not why I watch Star Trek. I like the character studies and sci-fi morality stories, and Disco largely doesn't care about those, it just cares about moving the story forward. I think it ties into the popular complaints about how the bridge crew are still cardboard cutouts 4 seasons in. They only ever get screen time when they have to say their 2.5 lines of backstory that just happen to relate to this week's plot, or when it's time to kill one of them off. Caveat: I dropped the show this season after the episode where Tilly left so maybe this was all fixed.
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Aug 6, 2022 18:27
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G-III posted:David Cronenberg deserved a better star trek series. I have no idea why he took that role. Did he need a few bucks or something? Is he a fan?
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Aug 6, 2022 18:34
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Arrinien posted:
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Arrinien posted:That's the biggest thing I can articulate when people ask me why I dislike Disco compared to old Trek. I was going through the Memory Alpha behind the scenes info for DS9, so many episodes came about because the writers were like "why don't we do an episode exploring what would happen if..." Its because it would take time away Burnham screen time. I would love to see something like that episode where Riker gets temp swapped to the Klingon ship. You could have one of the non-Burnham's try to adapt to a fully holographic crew, a Ferengi, a new Earth/Titan crew, ex-Emerald badguys who I cant remember. While conversely you would have someone trying to fit into Discovery, someone with 32nd tech and mannerisms, constantly complaining how loving old everything is. Yeah Adria is 32nd but thats not explored in any way
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Aug 6, 2022 19:13
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It really is amazing how much they wanted Burnham to be Poochie
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Aug 6, 2022 19:15
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Everything in the 32nd century seems to be identical but with programmable matter so there’s nothing to explore
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Also the programmable matter is pointless 
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Brawnfire posted:Also the programmable matter is pointless Correction: the writers aren't creative or bold enough to do something meaningful with it! 
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Aug 6, 2022 19:58
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One would hope storytelling was its original point, which absolutely did not play out, no
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Aug 6, 2022 20:08
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holefoods posted:Everything in the 32nd century seems to be identical but with programmable matter so there’s nothing to explore There are plenty of isolated populations that have been restricted to a single star system for the last century. What have those guys been up to? How did they cope? How many big empires have been shattered into small fiefdoms, and how will they react to the return of dilithium? The show just doesn't care.
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Aug 6, 2022 20:09
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Brawnfire posted:Also the programmable matter is pointless Whoa now, sometimes you can push your enemies into it and kill them somehow(?)
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Brawnfire posted:One would hope storytelling was its original point, which absolutely did not play out, no Shame too, because I read a book a couple years ago on synthetic biology and the potential frontiers for programmable matter and it made it sound rad as poo poo all the things you could potentially do with it that didn't hopefully at least end in Grey Goo.
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Brawnfire posted:Also the programmable matter is pointless at least it prevents us from having another Picard’s emergency joystick scenario
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I think my biggest complaint about 32nd century technology in Discovery is that every interface is a floaty blue hologram, which was already the case in the 23rd century, with the only difference being that you can conjure them anywhere instead of only on the ship. Programmable matter displays would be so much cooler, even if it is used, in practice, exactly how the holograms are. I don't care that actors are jabbing at thin air to solve problems, I just want it to be floating bits of metal instead of a blue rectangle.
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Brawnfire posted:One would hope storytelling was its original point, which absolutely did not play out, no Not a chance It was "what could the super future past TNG era look like?" for a preTOS prequel show that already basically did that. Nothing about Discovery was storytelling first, it was whiz bang stupid poo poo all the way down The wonkavator in the turbolift dimension was about the "storytelling" of a fistfight aboard a wonkavator in the turbolift dimension
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