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Raskolnikov38 posted:someone who wasnt stupid enough to make their real name their twitter username should ask the lib if this means that afrikanners and other whites should get their own country in south africa since they're so against black rule 
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Aug 6, 2022 22:10
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I find it disgusting that propaganda featuring masked villains threatening people's way of life is being pumped directly into children's eyeballs. Btw, anyone see the new thor?
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Aug 6, 2022 22:10
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unwantedplatypus posted:It would still be a firmly pro-independence move that could provoke the PRC into retaliating. That's why they don't change any of the imagery despite pro-independence factions being in power. a pro-independence move. like allowing the speaker of the US House of Representatives to visit against mainland objections? seems like they’re perfectly fine making those
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Aug 6, 2022 22:11
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green party gunna green
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Aug 6, 2022 22:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:someone who wasnt stupid enough to make their real name their twitter username should ask the lib if this means that afrikanners and other whites should get their own country in south africa since they're so against black rule They'd just say no, because they were settlers. The real question to ask is what should happen to the Chinese settlers still in Taiwan.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:13
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Antonymous posted:green party psychos would say that KMT rule was colonization by mainlanders yes going by that lady’s argument the DPP achieving independence (by whatever means, not important) wouldn’t actually restore sovereignty to Taiwan, especially since indigenous Taiwanese participation in elected government is pretty small afaik
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Aug 6, 2022 22:13
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indigi posted:a pro-independence move. like allowing the speaker of the US House of Representatives to visit against mainland objections? seems like they’re perfectly fine making those 1) There was internal dissent even within the DPP on this 2) It resulted in retaliation from China
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Aug 6, 2022 22:14
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Just imagine the CSA holding onto the Sea Islands or something and Britain and France promoting their independence as indigenous lands, never conquered by the Yankees.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:15
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Atrocious Joe posted:They'd just say no, because they were settlers. The real question to ask is what should happen to the Chinese settlers still in Taiwan. depopulating 98% of taiwan before granting it independence sounds like a winning move to me
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Aug 6, 2022 22:15
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Frosted Flake posted:Just imagine the CSA holding onto the Sea Islands or something and Britain and France promoting their independence as indigenous lands, never conquered by the Yankees. they didnt even try lol, all the planation owners fled at the first sight of a union gunboat and they were solidly in union possession before 1861 was out
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Aug 6, 2022 22:16
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"Bangladesh should go back to Pakistan" "North korea should go back to South Korea" "South sudan should go back to Sudan" etc
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Aug 6, 2022 22:17
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indigi posted:going by that lady’s argument the DPP achieving independence (by whatever means, not important) wouldn’t actually restore sovereignty to Taiwan, especially since indigenous Taiwanese participation in elected government is pretty small afaik yah Taiwan, like the americas, has like 500 years of colonization history where the native people usually don't end up in charge Dutch/Spanish colonized the aboriginal people who themselves were pretty fractured into different cultures. Then in 1662 the Ming came and tried to hold it out from the Qing (historical parallel). The qing got it in 1683 and eventually made it a province, and this period is when the west coast became sinicized. Then the japanese took it in 1895. Then the ROC took it in 1945 and moved over their government in exile in 1949 and in 1991 switched over from government in exile to self rule. Antonymous has issued a correction as of 22:22 on Aug 6, 2022 |
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Aug 6, 2022 22:18
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I don’t really have a dog in the Taiwan independence fight beyond the fact that it threatens nuclear war. wtf do I care if they want to become a US colony, as long as it happens without hundreds of millions of casualties I do not give a gently caress
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Aug 6, 2022 22:19
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Antonymous posted:"South Korea should go back to North korea " Horror of horrors. What’s next? 26 + 6 = 1? 
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Aug 6, 2022 22:19
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Antonymous posted:"Bangladesh should go back to Pakistan" why would it go back to pakistan, give pakistan and east pakistan back to india
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Aug 6, 2022 22:20
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I mean I’d rather Taiwanese civilians not die repelling an invasion either. but the main thing is nukes
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Aug 6, 2022 22:20
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South Korea never had control of North Korea. That was a UN operation that took over the territory.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:21
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Antonymous posted:yah Taiwan, like the americas, has like 500 years of colonization history where the native people usually don't end up in charge again: HiroProtagonist posted:post colonial is the only real dividing line and its nonsensical to attribute say misdoings by the Qin to modern china similarly as it would be stupid as gently caress to say britain is responsible for all of the misdoings of the US
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Aug 6, 2022 22:22
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Frosted Flake posted:Horror of horrors. i used to think it was more likely but at this point "northern ireland" might be the only part of the UK that remains fiercely loyal the analogy is however p spot on imo
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Aug 6, 2022 22:23
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Frosted Flake posted:Horror of horrors. small country belongs to bigger country it broke off of. in the ROC case it's actually the former state of the PRC. PRC is the successor.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:23
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you all are getting trolled by this threads matt bruenig
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Aug 6, 2022 22:24
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Antonymous posted:small country belongs to bigger country it broke off of. this would only make sense if the kaiser was still shipping arms to ireland to this day
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Aug 6, 2022 22:25
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Aug 6, 2022 22:25
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HiroProtagonist posted:i used to think it was more likely but at this point "northern ireland" might be the only part of the UK that remains fiercely loyal it is not spot on
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Aug 6, 2022 22:26
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indigi posted:I don’t really have a dog in the Taiwan independence fight beyond the fact that it threatens nuclear war. wtf do I care if they want to become a US colony, as long as it happens without hundreds of millions of casualties I do not give a gently caress this is about as dumb as saying "idrc if angola is independent or not as long as it doesn't provoke a war" national liberation is a good thing and its terminally western brains who always say otherwise. and no, i am not implying taiwan is fighting some kind of national liberation conflict, just westerners inserting themselves yet again into a place that wants nothing to do with them and where that influence is only fueling more provocation Antonymous posted:it is not spot on thanks for this further edification
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Aug 6, 2022 22:26
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Taiwan should be independent and the 98% of the population that is Han Chinese should be deported to the mainland and locked up for colonialism.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:28
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I only really disagree with two characterizations, which triggered me: #1 ROC government has some fundamental irredentism today that makes its conflict with china two sided #2 Taiwan is a colony of the US which is being stripped from its rightful place as a province of china
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Aug 6, 2022 22:29
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two is objectively true tho
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Aug 6, 2022 22:30
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HiroProtagonist posted:this is about as dumb as saying "idrc if angola is independent or not as long as it doesn't provoke a war" I think their self determination trumps my idealism tbh. if they want to break away and host a US military base that’s their business. I think it’s stupid and reckless but I don’t care enough to want to impose my values on them
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Aug 6, 2022 22:30
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Antonymous posted:I only really disagree with two characterizations, which triggered me: Yes the Chinese Civil War is two sided and yes the US is trying to carve off a province of China.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:31
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Raskolnikov38 posted:two is objectively true tho its being compared to Northern Ireland which is ruled from London. Taipei is not ruled from DC. it's a mischaractarization. Taiwan has no other entity to turn to except USA, it is not being imposed on it, and if you look at the government's decisions you will see that
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Aug 6, 2022 22:31
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indigi posted:I think their self determination trumps my idealism tbh. if they want to break away and host a US military base that’s their business. I think it’s stupid and reckless but I don’t care enough to impose my values on them Do people in the US get a say where US military bases go? I don't think most US citizens want a military base in Taiwan.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:31
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Atrocious Joe posted:Do people in the US get a say where US military bases go? I don't think most US citizens want a military base in Taiwan. I don’t think they do either which is why I posed it as a hypothetical
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Aug 6, 2022 22:32
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The Brits and Prots both pretended the UK was an impartial arbiter of peace and that Stormont, not London, was making decisions in NI.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:33
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the majority of taiwan favors more integration with the mainland in whatever degree the only people who dont are those that make more money off proliferation of western weapons and/or are just hardcore anticommunists "fidel stole my grandma's ponies" miami-style gusanos taiwan has very little to lose returning to the mainland and if you want a better analogy look at hong kong post-western meddling Antonymous posted:its being compared to Northern Ireland which is ruled from London. Taipei is not ruled from DC. it's a mischaractarization. Taiwan has no other entity to turn to except USA, it is not being imposed on it, and if you look at the government's decisions you will see that and maybe they should stop doing that, except in this case its the ruling class doing what ruling classes do. they know what would happen to them and their circles if the PRC gained authority over them, its literally the only reason this is (yet again) an issue in the public discourse.
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Aug 6, 2022 22:35
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Taiwan used to have US military bases on it. Where did they go? 馬英九 met with 習近平 7 years ago. Did us colonialism force that meeting?
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Aug 6, 2022 22:36
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HiroProtagonist posted:the majority of taiwan favors more integration with the mainland in whatever degree I think this has changed since the Ukraine special operation
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Aug 6, 2022 22:36
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indigi posted:I think this has changed since the Ukraine special operation how and why indigi posted:I think their self determination trumps my idealism tbh. if they want to break away and host a US military base that’s their business. I think it’s stupid and reckless but I don’t care enough to want to impose my values on them at least you recognize it properly as idealism materially, things work out in reality because of real actual conditions such as remittances. the amount of economic interaction mainland china has with taiwan will eventually trump any idealism. where people start wars is when they feel like they're left with no choice but to lash out to avoid the inevitable. it may happen but it's not the decision of most taiwanese people whether or not that it does. all that being said comparing taiwan to victims of colonialism remains being dumb as gently caress
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Aug 6, 2022 22:39
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 love when my colonial puppet does the one thing that makes no sense for a colonial puppet to do
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Aug 6, 2022 22:39
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Antonymous posted:Taipei is not ruled from DC. big if true
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