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The wheelbase of the ioniq5 is apparently longer than the pallisade but I don’t understand how the rear cargo can be tiny where the pallisade has a poo poo ton of room even behind the 3rd row. Overhangs I guess.
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Normal Barbarian posted:I love Volvos and want an electric car, but I have been told that the Polestar is way overpriced for the performance it offers (particularly the range). I was pretty happy to pay what I did for my Polestar given the dearth of non fugly and/or non gigantic EVs available Stateside, and the fact that all the truly small EVs (Bolt, Mini, etc) have even worse battery size / charging speeds. And it’s a nice (as in fit, finish, engineering) car on its own merits. I’ve found the 150 kW charge speed to be just good enough that I don’t feel like I’m the one waiting for it, given my stops always involve two or more of pee/eat/call/research/shop. The Ioniq 5 is the next gen newer re: battery / charging speed, but really is a huge loving barge in person. It has a cool shape vs equivalently long/wide actual-SUVs, but it is still real big inside and out. (As noted just upthread, part of the size is the width.) Def worth sticking your head in one though. And a Polestar 2 if you’re near a Polestar Space. And the C40 since you’re Volvo inclined.
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Normal Barbarian posted:I love Volvos and want an electric car, but I have been told that the Polestar is way overpriced for the performance it offers (particularly the range). Range is only one of the things to consider with a 350mi drive periodically - few will do that range even one way. None will get away without charging and you might not want to stick around for how long it takes to not have to charge on the way home. Some options will even need three or four charges. For these sorts of trips you should look into charging times - you will have to stop, but the car you are in and the charging station you are at determines how long it'll take. Volvo has the C40 and XC40 EVs, but their charging curves are not so great as far as I have heard, and their battery range is probably 4 charges over a round trip to be safe.
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Normal Barbarian posted:I love Volvos and want an electric car, but I have been told that the Polestar is way overpriced for the performance it offers (particularly the range). Polestar owner here: you should really test drive some vehicles and decide for yourself, the performance is actually what led me to choose the Polestar 2 over other options. At 350 miles you're probably looking at 1-2 long charging stops; this is going to be route and EV dependent. Check out A Better Route Planner, you can see how various EVs perform on the specific routes you use Another thing to keep in mind is that Polestar doesn't do dealer markup; I ordered through the website, paid MSRP, and never once went to a dealership or had to deal with haggling or upcharging. I looked at the Ioniq 5, but my local dealer didn't know when they would get any and was charging $7k markup for other EVs, plus god knows how much dealer bullshit would get added to that. Ford was doing $10k markup for the Mustang, which seems absolutely not worth it. Tesla was a better price than the Polestar, and no markup, but the federal incentive shrank that gap considerably and I preferred driving the Polestar so that's what I went with.
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Normal Barbarian posted:I love Volvos and want an electric car, but I have been told that the Polestar is way overpriced for the performance it offers (particularly the range). Like was previously mentioned, you should check out A Better Route planner, you can get a quick idea on what the long distance drive would be like in different cars. For example I just threw in LA to Oakland in the Ioniq 5 RWD: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c0668336-543b-46d5-b3b8-85fd2288b46a You can see you'd need 2 charging stops, one for 6 minutes, and one for 15 minutes. Or put in the ID.4 RWD: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=27324a38-a72b-4353-8d51-0482e2e6f13f 2 stops, one for 20 minutes, the other for 39 minutes. Tesla model 3 LR https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=7f5e54e8-efa2-4604-9a1c-e2898eb7a019 only 1 stop, 23 minutes. Polestar https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=ba07e1e3-05f7-460c-9809-8beea3a439ab 2 stops, 12m and 36m, and so on with the different cars out. Charging really varies a lot right now (the Leaf would take 3 stops, for 32m, 25m, and 34m). If you're not looking to buy right this second, hate SUVs, and aren't a fan of the buttonless Tesla, the Ioniq 6 is supposed to be out the beginning of next year which is a sedan full of physical buttons, and should be practically a clone of the electrical system in the Ioniq 5 while priced lower than the 5.
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priznat posted:The wheelbase of the ioniq5 is apparently longer than the pallisade but I don’t understand how the rear cargo can be tiny where the pallisade has a poo poo ton of room even behind the 3rd row. Overhangs I guess. The Palisade is still longer, and wider.
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bitprophet posted:I was pretty happy to pay what I did for my Polestar given the dearth of non fugly and/or non gigantic EVs available Stateside, and the fact that all the truly small EVs (Bolt, Mini, etc) have even worse battery size / charging speeds. And it’s a nice (as in fit, finish, engineering) car on its own merits. I’ve found the 150 kW charge speed to be just good enough that I don’t feel like I’m the one waiting for it, given my stops always involve two or more of pee/eat/call/research/shop. The Ioniq 5 is basically one inch longer and one inch wider than the Polestar 2. They have nearly the exact same footprint. They are also pretty much the same weight comparing AWD to AWD. The Ioniq is taller but I don’t think it call it a barge if the Polestar is your point of reference.
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Fellow Polestar 2 owners: Do you ever get a periodic noise from behind the center console/vents that sounds like the car is beatboxing some House music? It's a rhythmic, "oom pah, oom pah" noise, about once a second, usually shortly after I start driving and it can be a just a couple of times, or dozens. It sounds to me like some louver/solenoid that can't decide whether it wants to stay open or shut, but  I guess while I'm at it I'm curious if anyone else's cooling fan seems especially boomy when it's running?
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Aug 6, 2022 23:53
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Some people are so weird about the size of the ioniq for some reason. It’s like an inch longer and wider than a rav4. I guess because of the way it looks they expect a golf but it’s an extremely average compact cuv size
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Infinotize posted:Some people are so weird about the size of the ioniq for some reason. It’s like an inch longer and wider than a rav4. I guess because of the way it looks they expect a golf but it’s an extremely average compact cuv size It's funny because I was hoping it was going to be bigger and was a little disappointed  Oh my that sounds rude
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Infinotize posted:Some people are so weird about the size of the ioniq for some reason. It’s like an inch longer and wider than a rav4. I guess because of the way it looks they expect a golf but it’s an extremely average compact cuv size It’s absolutely insane to me that people keep acting like it’s a loving Expedition. Similarly, it blows my mind when I see people describe the Polestar 2 like it’s an SUV just because it rides slightly higher than an Accord.
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umbrage posted:Fellow Polestar 2 owners: Do you ever get a periodic noise from behind the center console/vents that sounds like the car is beatboxing some House music? It's a rhythmic, "oom pah, oom pah" noise, about once a second, usually shortly after I start driving and it can be a just a couple of times, or dozens. It sounds to me like some louver/solenoid that can't decide whether it wants to stay open or shut, but Haven't experienced this, sorry. Could be worth calling in?
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Aug 7, 2022 01:18
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US centric, but apparently the Inflation Reduction Act is actually for real going to happen, has anyone seen how the final language is going to change the EV tax credit situation?
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Aug 7, 2022 01:59
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Three Olives posted:US centric, but apparently the Inflation Reduction Act is actually for real going to happen, has anyone seen how the final language is going to change the EV tax credit situation? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40760444/electric-car-ev-incentives-legislation/ * $7500 rebate on new EVs * Can be applied at time of sale * Valid through 2032 * No cap on number of vehicles sold * Upper income limit of $150k (single) or $300k (filing jointly) * Upper MSRP limit or $80k (vans, trucks, and SUVs) or $55k (anything else) * 40% of the vehicle's materials must be sourced from the US, increasing by 10% to year to a max of 80% * Vehicle's battery components must be assembled in the US, starting at 50% and eventually increasing to 100% There's going to be a rebate on Used EVs as well * Used EVs receive a rebate of $4000 or 30% of sale price, whichever is smaller * Vehicle must be at least 2 years old and selling for no more than $25k. * Upper income limit or $75k (single) or $150k (filing jointly) The language may also apply to other kinds of vehicles, like those that run on hydrogen
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Applying the rebate instantly instead of some hosed up maybe tax credit is great. LA DWP also does a limited Used Electric/Plug In Hybrid rebate so this is great.
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FilthyImp posted:Applying the rebate instantly instead of some hosed up maybe tax credit is great. Hell yeah it is. What’s not nice is the $50k car and $80k truck limits. They should diminish in values over their respective amounts rather than vanish entirely.
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So if the act passes, Tesla 3 becomes a no-brainer, in part because nothing else will be available. Will it go into effect immediately?everyone posted:Just the info/guidance I needed You are all amazing and beautiful and I love you. In general it looks like I need to get over my aversion to SUVs and Teslas. gently caress this stupid country for only offering giant idiotmobiles. I want a small idiotmobile, goddamnit. I'm annoyed that other places get things like the ID.3 and Q2. Bleh. I'm gonna test drive the Ioniq and Polestar, for sure. It's a 15 minute drive to the LA Polestar space. Renting a car for a weekend is definitely also doable. The one-stop Oakland trip in the Model 3 is really hard to ignore.
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Normal Barbarian posted:So if the act passes, Tesla 3 becomes a no-brainer, in part because nothing else will be available. Will it go into effect immediately? It probably won't go into effect until '23. e: Yup looks like it applies to purchases made after December 31, 2022 When I test drove a Polestar someone drove one to a place that I specified, didn't even need to go to a space. My person was pretty chill, she answered any questions that I had about the vehicle and was apparently just driving Polestar 2s around as a full-time job QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Aug 7, 2022 |
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Normal Barbarian posted:So if the act passes, Tesla 3 becomes a no-brainer, in part because nothing else will be available. Will it go into effect immediately? The Ioniq 5 is going to charge faster than anything else out there assuming you’ve got 350kW chargers on the route which I’d imagine is the case. Inside EVs does highway range tests at 70mph which you should take a look at to get a better idea of which cars can probably make the drive with one stop. Keep in mind that you’ll only realistically charge up to about 80% at stops.
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I’m still new to the whole fast charging thing. But is the goal literally to just try to get from 0-80% inside of 5-10 minutes the way you would filling up your tank of petrol? People poo poo on chademo but for 200 mile trip it seemed fine to grab 30% in 20-30 mins. Obviously unsustainable for longer road trips I guess.
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drhankmccoyphd posted:I’m still new to the whole fast charging thing. But is the goal literally to just try to get from 0-80% inside of 5-10 minutes the way you would filling up your tank of petrol? People poo poo on chademo but for 200 mile trip it seemed fine to grab 30% in 20-30 mins. Obviously unsustainable for longer road trips I guess. You can fast charge or slow charge. Slow charge means you push a "normal" amount of amp to the battery pack, providing a minimal amount of wear on the battery pack. Fast charge means providing the battery values close to the maximum design amperage, providing increased wear and tear. Fast charge should be done now and then if you are in a hurry, while doing slow charge where possible. Doing fast charge every time will lead to the battery pack being damaged over time.
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SlowBloke posted:You can fast charge or slow charge. Slow charge means you push a "normal" amount of amp to the battery pack, providing a minimal amount of wear on the battery pack. Fast charge means providing the battery values close to the maximum design amperage, providing increased wear and tear. Fast charge should be done now and then if you are in a hurry, while doing slow charge where possible. Doing fast charge every time will lead to the battery pack being damaged over time. Right I get all that. My question is related to the gradations of fast charging. 50kw seemed pretty fast to me so 350kw on a 50ish kWh seems stupid fast. If my math is right that’s like 8 minute?
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Right I get all that. My question is related to the gradations of fast charging. 50kw seemed pretty fast to me so 350kw on a 50ish kWh seems stupid fast. If my math is right that’s like 8 minute? Range has become the main metric on new electric cars so you have increasingly big battery packs, bigger the pack, the more time you need to fill it up. The new breeds of fast charging cars with 350kw chargers have 70+ kWh packs, meaning that slow charging will take a lot of time. Also the battery pack cannot go full speed charging for long times unless you want it to melt, so it will run on a curve, flat out if the battery pack temperature is warm, slowed down if hot.
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SlowBloke posted:Range has become the main metric on new electric cars so you have increasingly big battery packs, bigger the pack, the more time you need to fill it up. The new breeds of fast charging cars with 350kw chargers have 70+ kWh packs, meaning that slow charging will take a lot of time. Also the battery pack cannot go full speed charging for long times unless you want it to melt, so it will run on a curve, flat out if the battery pack temperature is warm, slowed down if hot. Also the battery chemistry makes it so batteries cannot charge as quickly, especially at higher states of charge. Regardless of temperature charging is going to slow down as state of charge rises. 350 kW is a pipe dream with current pack sizes, chemistry, and cooling systems. No current 50kWh pack is going to be able to take anywhere near 350kW, even at optimal temperature and state of charge.
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pun pundit posted:350 kW is a pipe dream with current pack sizes, chemistry, and cooling systems. No current 50kWh pack is going to be able to take anywhere near 350kW, even at optimal temperature and state of charge. Sure it can. Once.
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Seems like that just means there’s a market for premium fast chargers where your cars are parked in a drive-in freezer and the chargers can go 350kw with no consequences.
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Vegetable posted:Seems like that just means there’s a market for premium fast chargers where your cars are parked in a drive-in freezer and the chargers can go 350kw with no consequences. Costco’s dairy room is quite cavernous.
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pun pundit posted:Also the battery chemistry makes it so batteries cannot charge as quickly, especially at higher states of charge. Regardless of temperature charging is going to slow down as state of charge rises. While it isn't approaching 350kW the 58 kWh Ioniq 5 can do over 150kW on a sufficiently fast charger at low SoC (and will maintain over 100 up to 80%)
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Another question: I rented a Tesla model 3 and while there are a few annoyances I could probably deal with the thing I really dug and would probably push me over the edge on a purchase was the 3D overhead display that shows all the cars around you while driving as little avatars. I think it’s called FSD preview or something? Is there another EV with a similar feature or is that exclusive to Teslas?
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Another question: I rented a Tesla model 3 and while there are a few annoyances I could probably deal with the thing I really dug and would probably push me over the edge on a purchase was the 3D overhead display that shows all the cars around you while driving as little avatars. I think it’s called FSD preview or something? Is there another EV with a similar feature or is that exclusive to Teslas? I drove a friends Y and the way cars faded in and out of the sensors view was amazing. It would even read and display turn arrows on the ground. It would also show the light you’re stopped at and render the green/yellow/red changes in real time. Between that and one pedal driving I was sold immediately.
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Nuts and Gum posted:I drove a friends Y and the way cars faded in and out of the sensors view was amazing. It would even read and display turn arrows on the ground. It would also show the light you’re stopped at and render the green/yellow/red changes in real time. Between that and one pedal driving I was sold immediately. What Tesla has done with machine vision is seriously impressive, despite the detractors here and elsewhere. The FSD package is not nearly as capable as Tesla and its die hard fan boys seem to think it is, but the machine vision itself is incredible.
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drhankmccoyphd posted:I’m still new to the whole fast charging thing. But is the goal literally to just try to get from 0-80% inside of 5-10 minutes the way you would filling up your tank of petrol? Normal Barbarian posted:So if the act passes, Tesla 3 becomes a no-brainer, in part because nothing else will be available. Will it go into effect immediately? drhankmccoyphd posted:the 3D overhead display that shows all the cars around you while driving as little avatars. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Aug 7, 2022 |
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Yup totally. And machine vision comes standard right?
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Another question: I rented a Tesla model 3 and while there are a few annoyances I could probably deal with the thing I really dug and would probably push me over the edge on a purchase was the 3D overhead display that shows all the cars around you while driving as little avatars. I think it’s called FSD preview or something? Is there another EV with a similar feature or is that exclusive to Teslas? Its not nearly as advanced as what tesla does with a full 3d thing and lots of data, but I know the hyundai/kia/genesis hda2 package at least has as one of the display modes where it shows the cars around you visualized on it. I had a really hard time finding a picture of it, so heres a screenshot from a video. You can see they're just generic icons that move around and you can't rotate or zoom the display or anything, but they do accurately show all the cars around you on it. 
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Yup totally. And machine vision comes standard right? You get the basic visualization if you don't buy any packages, to get the full FSD visualization you're likely referring to you need the full FSD package AFAIK
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Another question: I rented a Tesla model 3 and while there are a few annoyances I could probably deal with the thing I really dug and would probably push me over the edge on a purchase was the 3D overhead display that shows all the cars around you while driving as little avatars. I think it’s called FSD preview or something? Is there another EV with a similar feature or is that exclusive to Teslas? I can set some jingling keys on my EV6 and it'll be about the same in terms of helpfulness while driving. It's real-time machine learning image/object recognition and it showing something does not mean the car is doing anything about it.
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Buff Hardback posted:You get the basic visualization if you don't buy any packages, to get the full FSD visualization you're likely referring to you need the full FSD package AFAIK Really? This was on a hertz rental and I very much doubt it had full FSD package enabled. In fact I’m pretty sure I checked in the menu. I would think this was the bare bones implementation.
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Given the Tesla only has a couple of 1 megapixel webcams and no radar I wouldn’t put too much stock in what’s on the display.
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Nah, I've got none of the software add-ons for my Y, and I get the visualization. I wish it was a little better about things in my blind-spots (especially because there's practically zero view out the back), but it's still a really nifty party trick for when new people get in the car. Tesla as a company still has a lot going for it, so I'd argue not to write it off entirely. But there are a TON more competitors now than there were a year ago.
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FilthyImp posted:Please don't buy a Tesla, unless your only point of concern is range . The dumb Yoke design they're pushing, the general construction, basic interior... If you're spending the cash look at the competitors at least. Disclaimer: I have a 3 on order. That being said, lol cmon, the yoke thing is only available on a 120 thousand dollar model S afaik.
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