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Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Mad that you can have more than a third of an entire country's power needs fed by a single power facility, assuming it pans out.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Comrade Fakename posted:

Thank god Corbyn didn't get the chance to take us back to the 70s.

https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1557018063647694854

If there's one silver lining to all this it's that we do now know what it was like to live through the 70s and it turned us all into socialists instead of Thatcherites. Turns out that boomers really were just thick as absolute loving pigshit this entire time, who knew?

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

His Divine Shadow posted:

It's actually producing power right now though, 473 megawatts at the moment. Part of the testing phase which started on monday. It's gonna keep ramping up to 1600MW through to october, hope everything pans out, I really do...

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day. It's quite funny that despite everything, its cost of energy is still less than half what we'll pay for Hinkley C.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

If there's one silver lining to all this it's that we do now know what it was like to live through the 70s and it turned us all into socialists instead of Thatcherites. Turns out that boomers really were just thick as absolute loving pigshit this entire time, who knew?

the big secret about thatcher is she used the bounty of the north sea oil and gas to solidify her power, in doing so squandering a fortune for us and our future generations

we could have had a sovereign wealth fund like norway but instead we got the “big bang”

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Almost all boomer behaviours can be attributed to severe and irreversible lead poisoning.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Mega Comrade posted:

Doggo tax please

My apologies. Here she is on a lighthouse, keeping ships safe at sea.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Almost all boomer behaviours can be attributed to severe and irreversible lead poisoning.

Bobby you post like a bot

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Sad Panda posted:

I often go walking, be it along canals, footpaths or just the pavements, and was wondering on the rules behind pruning vegetation that is encroaching/limiting access to the footpath. Sometimes stiles or paths can be overgrown and a challenge to get through. I thought that the landowner (be that the farmer or council) had a duty to maintain the access. What am I allowed to do as a user? Is it OK to take a pair of secateurs and prune as I hike?

who maintains public rights of way is dependent on local byelaws, the main ones near me it's the council that are responsible and they cut maybe once a year if someone complains and otherwise hope people forget that pathway system exists


secateurs or a swift blow with a walking stick/pole will be very effective on everything up to and including bramble and provided it's clearing the pathway and not mowing down someone's crop no-one will give two fucks

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Bobby you post like a bot

Bobby is an excellent poster

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

These people are so broken brained

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1556667325545324545

Barry Foster posted:

Bobby is an excellent poster

^ this

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Aug 9, 2022

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
He is I would say a deluxe poster in fact. I feel decadent as I indulge in his posts

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Bobby you post like a bot

I was going to post Botty Deluxe but it sounds like an incredibly bougie sex arse

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Bobby you post like a bot
I am not sure if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me at all but I have a great day with the kids and I will be in the office tomorrow and I will be in the office for a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Sunglasses baldy sounds like he's been through a messy divorce that was all his fault.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

second guy has starmer's haircut lol

1965917
Oct 4, 2005


Tragedy struck later that day when a meteorite didn't hit the building

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Barry Foster posted:

Bobby is an excellent poster

no denying!

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


OwlFancier posted:

There are so many more useful applications of battery technology and the resources to make them than using it to power cars jesus wept.

Not really, lithium batteries really are best for cars, with current tech anyway.

The current world leaders of new grid storage are, unfortunately, Tesla. That’s because they already make batteries, and it’s easy enough to take a bunch off the production line, stick them in some boxes attached to the electricity grid, and voilà, energy storage.

But lithium batteries are very poorly utilised for this. Not because of a lack of lithium but because they’re just not appropriate for that. Lithium batteries are used in cars (and phones, etc) because they can squeeze a relatively large amount of energy in a small space with little weight. Both of these factors are worthless for this kind of energy storage. Who cares if the facility holding this on an industrial estate or whatever is twice as large, or heavier?

Tesla a doing this at the moment because they’re the people who have this stuff ready to go. But there are a bunch of other technologies coming on line to store energy, like big liquid metal batteries, that can be as large, heavy and hot as you’d like, or basically a fancy way of heating up rocks and then insulating them to trap the heat, or compressing air. Hydrogen generation (the proper green variety) is another way. Basically, there is obviously going to be a huge market for grid electricity storage coming up and there are a lot of people vying for the crown.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Comrade Fakename posted:

The current world leaders of new grid storage are, unfortunately, Tesla.

You gonna apologise to me pal? considering you called me a liar?

Olpainless
Jun 30, 2003
... Insert something brilliantly witty here.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Not really, lithium batteries really are best for cars, with current tech anyway.

The current world leaders of new grid storage are, unfortunately, Tesla. That’s because they already make batteries, and it’s easy enough to take a bunch off the production line, stick them in some boxes attached to the electricity grid, and voilà, energy storage.

But lithium batteries are very poorly utilised for this. Not because of a lack of lithium but because they’re just not appropriate for that. Lithium batteries are used in cars (and phones, etc) because they can squeeze a relatively large amount of energy in a small space with little weight. Both of these factors are worthless for this kind of energy storage. Who cares if the facility holding this on an industrial estate or whatever is twice as large, or heavier?

Tesla a doing this at the moment because they’re the people who have this stuff ready to go. But there are a bunch of other technologies coming on line to store energy, like big liquid metal batteries, that can be as large, heavy and hot as you’d like, or basically a fancy way of heating up rocks and then insulating them to trap the heat, or compressing air. Hydrogen generation (the proper green variety) is another way. Basically, there is obviously going to be a huge market for grid electricity storage coming up and there are a lot of people vying for the crown.

Flywheel storage is probably one of the best options for local energy storage to be honest. Advantages being your storage medium can be anything heavy.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Comrade Fakename posted:

Not really, lithium batteries really are best for cars, with current tech anyway.

The current world leaders of new grid storage are, unfortunately, Tesla. That’s because they already make batteries, and it’s easy enough to take a bunch off the production line, stick them in some boxes attached to the electricity grid, and voilà, energy storage.

But lithium batteries are very poorly utilised for this. Not because of a lack of lithium but because they’re just not appropriate for that. Lithium batteries are used in cars (and phones, etc) because they can squeeze a relatively large amount of energy in a small space with little weight. Both of these factors are worthless for this kind of energy storage. Who cares if the facility holding this on an industrial estate or whatever is twice as large, or heavier?

Tesla a doing this at the moment because they’re the people who have this stuff ready to go. But there are a bunch of other technologies coming on line to store energy, like big liquid metal batteries, that can be as large, heavy and hot as you’d like, or basically a fancy way of heating up rocks and then insulating them to trap the heat, or compressing air. Hydrogen generation (the proper green variety) is another way. Basically, there is obviously going to be a huge market for grid electricity storage coming up and there are a lot of people vying for the crown.

You're wringing your hands and acting like unfortunately we have to let Tesla save us, but you're just describing why we are doomed?

frankenbeans
Feb 16, 2003

Good Times

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Service charges - whatever happens, if you're buying a leasehold - check out carefully service charges and ground rents, whether there is a 'sinking fund', a friend was bragging about her very low service charges compared to a flat I used to own about 20 years ago, only to get hit with a £10k charge as her share for essential works for the block she had just bought in as there was no sinking fund.

Estate agent didn't really cover the impact of all this for me. Even if they had, I probably would have still bought it. The location was good, and it was one of only about 5 properties within 20 miles of where I wanted to be that fit in my budget.

Service charge here averages out at £200/mo. We get a fair amount for it, but fuckin' hell. Also property management companies are just a black hole of cunts. Overcharging for basic repairs either because they're mates with the contractors or useless negotiators. And as soon as something big comes up that can't be dumped on the tenants, you get a new property management company and the cycle starts anew.

Definitely think twice about leaseholds. I think it's been bought up in here a few times. They're a bit of a trap.

Edit: gently caress me, I've been a bit slack on my thread reading tonight.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
There's some interesting iron flow batteries that should be ready by 2025 that are half the price of lithium per unit storage and don't cause devastating fires.

They're about the size of a shipping container though, so not great for cars, but perfect for industrial estates.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I like reservoir batteries myself.

Use excess energy generated during the peaks to pump the water up into a lake, then let it fall through a turbine during the troughs

https://youtube.com/c/UndecidedMF this channel goes over various options and other related tech like carbon capture (which seems a lot harder than I was hoping)

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




notaspy posted:

I like reservoir batteries myself.

Use excess energy generated during the peaks to pump the water up into a lake, then let it fall through a turbine during the troughs

https://youtube.com/c/UndecidedMF this channel goes over various options and other related tech like carbon capture (which seems a lot harder than I was hoping)

Carbon capture is literally putting a fart back into a bum, but on a global scale, I'm not kidding, I'm being scientific. Putting the fart back into the bum will always take more energy than it took to release from the bum. It is the exact kind of bullshit that the oil lobby loves to perpetuate, the kind of bullshit which leads to another generation of emissions.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Carbon capture is literally putting a fart back into a bum, but on a global scale, I'm not kidding, I'm being scientific. Putting the fart back into the bum will always take more energy than it took to release from the bum. It is the exact kind of bullshit that the oil lobby loves to perpetuate, the kind of bullshit which leads to another generation of emissions.

How do we deal with the current carbon in the atmosphere? Not a troll, I have no real understanding of all the moving parts.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




notaspy posted:

How do we deal with the current carbon in the atmosphere? Not a troll, I have no real understanding of all the moving parts.

There is no way to deal with it in the sense that we could suck it out of the atmosphere and then it's just gone. We need to mitigate the effects of it being there, and we need radical changes. People talk about electric cars; if we were to go carbon neutral tomorrow, with a magic snap of the fingers, that still might not be enough to save us, so what is a global production chain of electric cars going to do to help us? All these half measures are just another form of grief. Denial and Bargaining.

Those radical changes would need a society that isn't based on private profit above all else. As in, not this one. Imagine a society where the goal is to "degrow". Madness apparently.

We could ban all cars tomorrow and it wouldn't be enough, but the lack of cars would cause immense suffering on its own.

Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Aug 9, 2022

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
yeah but electric car does make me bvetter than anyone else with ICE cars? And they need to acknowledge that

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

We should start by immediately sinking decommissioning the 341 cruise ships that exist worldwide. It's way more achievable short term than moving everybody to EVs, only exists as a luxury form of travel that less than 0.5% of people on earth interact with on a yearly basis (either through employment or recreation) and would have a massive immediate effect on emissions

blunt fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Aug 9, 2022

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Carbon capture is literally putting a fart back into a bum, but on a global scale, I'm not kidding, I'm being scientific.
So scientifically where would I buy something that did that? :pervert:

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Guavanaut posted:

So scientifically where would I buy something that did that? :pervert:

I've been working on a device that not only captures carbon, it also keeps tigers away. It was funded by BP, but don't worry about that.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm thinking more like this but without the part where you die horribly or are left with life changing injuries.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/rectal-blowout-report-167187

From the number of cases it seems like there's a market.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Guavanaut posted:

I'm thinking more like this but without the part where you die horribly or are left with life changing injuries.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/rectal-blowout-report-167187

From the number of cases it seems like there's a market.

I would be much more impressed if they had used a cannister of compressed farts instead of air.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Comrade Fakename posted:

Not really, lithium batteries really are best for cars, with current tech anyway.

The current world leaders of new grid storage are, unfortunately, Tesla. That’s because they already make batteries, and it’s easy enough to take a bunch off the production line, stick them in some boxes attached to the electricity grid, and voilà, energy storage.

But lithium batteries are very poorly utilised for this. Not because of a lack of lithium but because they’re just not appropriate for that. Lithium batteries are used in cars (and phones, etc) because they can squeeze a relatively large amount of energy in a small space with little weight. Both of these factors are worthless for this kind of energy storage. Who cares if the facility holding this on an industrial estate or whatever is twice as large, or heavier?

Tesla a doing this at the moment because they’re the people who have this stuff ready to go. But there are a bunch of other technologies coming on line to store energy, like big liquid metal batteries, that can be as large, heavy and hot as you’d like, or basically a fancy way of heating up rocks and then insulating them to trap the heat, or compressing air. Hydrogen generation (the proper green variety) is another way. Basically, there is obviously going to be a huge market for grid electricity storage coming up and there are a lot of people vying for the crown.

I mean as a concept, throwing gigantic amounts of resources at making a loving car go. Phones at least can't really be replicated in any other way, a personal information and communication device that functions wirelessly and allows you to access electronically secure information wherever you are, largely replacing the personal computer for a lot of uses. And it uses a tiny battery and runs for hours, also plays music.

A car moves people around. We have countless other ways of moving people around and I find it extremely unlikely that there are enough battery materials on the planet to keep everyone in electric cars for very long so we need to be looking at other ways of doing that anyway and also a shitload of things people currently move around for do not need to happen in the first place and a shitload more of them only happen because nobody's fucjking planned around mass transit in half a century.

Throwing idiotic amounts of resource at making loving cars really boils my piss.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm now trying to think what the tram equivalent of a phone would be.

No battery, but you have a dodgems spike on your hat and there's electrified chickenwire all over town? Giant fucken phone everyone sits cross legged on and uses their own bit of the touchscreen?

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

notaspy posted:

How do we deal with the current carbon in the atmosphere? Not a troll, I have no real understanding of all the moving parts.

We can't. When it comes to climate change, we're completely hosed.

I recommend not thinking about this too much since literally everything about it is depressing as gently caress. For example, we're still pumping out even more carbon into the atmosphere; there's no political will at all for that to stop; etc; etc; etc

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Bobby you post like a bot

you post like a gobshite

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




If we invented a device with the dimensions and cost of a car, that could capture the same amount of carbon that a car emits, that would be an incredible achievement. Consider that it took millions of years for that carbon to condense into those fuels in the first place, and that a car essentially disperses it around the atmosphere via explosions.

Well if we did invent that machine. We would need to build 1.4 billion of them just to counter the number of cars in use on the planet.

Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 9, 2022

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

crispix posted:

you post like a gobshite

whilst you're a oval office

a worthless one at that

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

I'm now trying to think what the tram equivalent of a phone would be.

No battery, but you have a dodgems spike on your hat and there's electrified chickenwire all over town? Giant fucken phone everyone sits cross legged on and uses their own bit of the touchscreen?

It would be phone boxes. Fixed area of availability determined by the infrastructure, life adjusts around that. Go away from that and you don't get to use it, so fewer people do that.

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