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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I cannot accept any loudest airplane nominations that aren't "C-5 on final approach flying directly over my backyard".

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I cannot accept any loudest airplane nominations that aren't "C-5 on final approach flying directly over my backyard".

A B-1 doing the same thing should be louder but a C-5 is probably pretty close.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Bone with burners is the only airplane I've ever seen set off car alarms and physically shake windows. F-4 is very close up there though.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I cannot accept any loudest airplane nominations that aren't "C-5 on final approach flying directly over my backyard".

As someone who lived under short final for an airport a bunch of T-45s and A-4s would train at, i can get on board with this sentiment

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

hobbesmaster posted:

A B-1 doing the same thing should be louder but a C-5 is probably pretty close.

Yeah I remember Bones making the same approach and they weren't as deafening as a C-5. Looking back it might've been the higher pitch and unholy piercing effect of the C-5 engine noise that made the difference.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
The upgraded C-5M are MUCH quieter than the originals.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Dr_Strangelove posted:

Too bad there are no more T-37s. The 6,000 Pound Dog Whistle.

:canada:

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.

Spaced God posted:

Bone with burners is the only airplane I've ever seen set off car alarms and physically shake windows. F-4 is very close up there though.

As someone who lived under short final for an airport a bunch of T-45s and A-4s would train at, i can get on board with this sentiment

Growing up my elementary school was directly under final approach for one of the fields at China Lake. Recess was always full of .... an interesting variety of aircraft. It was only when I was in 4th grade that I was finally able to identify the Soviet stuff as absolutely ear splitting versus everything else.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The upgraded C-5M are MUCH quieter than the originals.

Ah, I may have a poor point for comparison then.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

hobbesmaster posted:

Ah, I may have a poor point for comparison then.

C-5B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPiD1KlwHU&t=230s

C-5M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_vWnzvooF4

Still noisy, but decidedly less "screamey" and more "roary."

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Aug 8, 2022

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

BIG HEADLINE posted:

C-5B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPiD1KlwHU&t=230s

C-5M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_vWnzvooF4

Still noisy, but decidedly less "screamey" and more "roary."

Engine wise didn’t it almost literally go from being a DC-10 with an extra engine from the 60s to a 747-400?

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde
I went to college next to McChord AFB and remember the howl of C 141s. I knew poo poo was getting serious before the Gulf War in January 1991 when it was non stop

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


hobbesmaster posted:

Engine wise didn’t it almost literally go from being a DC-10 with an extra engine from the 60s to a 747-400?

They currently have CF6-80C2 engines, the DC-10 had CF6-6D and CF6-50Cs.

The original C-5 TF39 was the first production high-bypass turbofan. The CF-6 was developed from it but that’s like saying the CFM56 on a 737 is the same as an F-101 in a Bone; technically true but there are a lot of differences.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

I’ll occasionally see C-5s lumbering along in South Carolina and the big fuckers never fail to break my brain with how some that large and slow shouldn’t be able to fly. Neat plane.

Loudest I’ve personally been subjected to was some Navy pilot kicking their F-35 into afterburner while taking off from one of the Pensacola NAS fields while we were poking around my brother’s trainer squadron. Got to go climb on an in service Rhino while I was there, that was cool. They wouldn’t let me in the cockpit since the ejection seats were still armed; I was fine with the risk of getting blasted through the top of the cover they were under but they weren’t having it.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I cannot accept any loudest airplane nominations that aren't "C-5 on final approach flying directly over my backyard".

Do none of you remember A-6s? EA-6B's, specifically? When the wind blows the right way, they'd set off car alarms in downtown San Diego. There was never any point to setting a car alarm within a hundred miles of Whidbey Island.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Do none of you remember A-6s? EA-6B's, specifically?

I lived on final approach to NAS Norfolk. Of course I remember them. Still not as overpowering as the C-5.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Do none of you remember A-6s? EA-6B's, specifically? When the wind blows the right way, they'd set off car alarms in downtown San Diego. There was never any point to setting a car alarm within a hundred miles of Whidbey Island.

Unfortunately, growing up near Oceana in the 80s meant A-6s *and* A/B-model Tomcats so yes, my early ear health remembers getting overflown by both while they were flying patterns over Lynnhaven Mall.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Dr_Strangelove posted:

EXACTLY

Too bad there are no more T-37s. The 6,000 Pound Dog Whistle.

Oh no I think the US still has its share of 6000-lb dogwhistles

Dr_Strangelove
Dec 16, 2003

Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

Phy posted:

Oh no I think the US still has its share of 6000-lb dogwhistles

oh i get you :hmmyes:

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde
American jets: *whistle*

British jets: *howl*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8lED0dpjQ

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Cable Guy posted:

American jets: *whistle*

British jets: *howl*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8lED0dpjQ

Didn't they sample the Lightning to use for TIE fighter sounds?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
F-18C/D howl was always good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X3WMKri9xs

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde

PhotoKirk posted:

Didn't they sample the Lightning to use for TIE fighter sounds?
If my recall of "The Making of Star Wars" is correct from forty odd years ago, I think they used motor-bikes screaming through a concrete pedestrian tunnel.

Fake edit: Huh.... seems I was wrong...

quote:

Sound designer Ben Burtt created the distinctive TIE fighter sound effect by combining an elephant call with a car driving on wet pavement
:dogstare:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Do none of you remember A-6s? EA-6B's, specifically? When the wind blows the right way, they'd set off car alarms in downtown San Diego. There was never any point to setting a car alarm within a hundred miles of Whidbey Island.

Car alarms at Nellis are set off routinely by F-35, F-22, and F-15. I don't recall noticing F-16s doing it, but I wouldn't bet against it. Max-perf takeoffs get loud.

Edit: As a kid near Hill I do remember sometime in the late 90s we got hit with two sonic booms as a Viper driver pushed it up a bit too much trying to catch up to his flight lead, and the boom bounced off the mountains.

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here
Piper makes an emergency landing on the freeway in California.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/small-plane-crashes-on-91-freeway-in-corona-chp/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8Y83uHbmI

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Pro-click but be careful about noise around nine minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZPDfZArP_Q

AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

That was quite intense! Appreciate the pilot's honesty in showing all this. Stuff can happen quick as does information saturation.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Pro-click but be careful about noise around nine minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZPDfZArP_Q

That was a fascinating watch

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That really was a great video. A lot of humility from that guy and a good person to share it.

As soon as he said he lost airspeed I said out loud PITOT HEAT lol

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

slidebite posted:

That really was a great video. A lot of humility from that guy and a good person to share it.

As soon as he said he lost airspeed I said out loud PITOT HEAT lol

I'm not even a pilot but when he said he was flying over 10k through clouds/precip and his airspeed dropped off I immediately thought the same thing.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/twuraychel/status/1557953486301667329

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

I would have sworn my mother in law was not on an airplane today.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
"I'm not a *medical* doctor but I do hold a doctorate in Fleecing the Gullible from a certain University that no longer exists."

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Can someone tell me what the Sky Warden is about? As far as I understand it, it's a converted industrial plane made to carry surveillance and light ground attack weapons. It seems to me a drone could fulfill the same role without exposing a pilot to risk. Is it meant for export to other countries or really that much cheaper than a drone? What's the deal here?

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Plainly difficult made a video essay about the "Boeing Scandal". Couldn't watch it yet but on other topics where I know something about, Plainly Difficult usually makes good summaries. This one is on my watch list for tonight.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEkH0zd3F8

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


My mate caught this here in Australia:

https://i.imgur.com/xqSokfc.mp4

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Crikey! That’s the largest boomerang I’ve ever seen!

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

XB70

https://youtu.be/2Yu3eZGLsdQ

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Question for the thread: what's Russia spare parts supply for Russian/Soviet aviation assets like?

If you've been following the Ukraine war, you may know by now that Russia's Air Force suffers from the same rot every other part of its military does. There's a paper strength, but a heavy swath of that is nonfunctional, thanks to neglect, corruption and in 2014 Russia suddenly being cut off from its biggest turbine experts. This is a eye opening article, written in 2018, explaining some of these issues. Here's a few excerpts for the lazy.

Recently, the Ukrainians managed to attack a vital airbase of Russia in Crimea, destroying anywhere from ~10 to 30 aircraft, and this isn't a small deal, because all the aircraft were the modernized versions and flying operationally, IE the good ones. And this got me to thinking. Russia held onto the massive Soviet stock of war making equipment, often to no benefit. Of the 12,000 tanks they have in theory sitting around, the deployment of functionally obsolete T-62s from these stocks has people estimating that 87% of that stock is either worthless or picked over for spare parts for the Russian Army. The only time this legacy from the USSR has proved usable has been with Artillery. The only real military success Russia has had in Ukraine has been with intensive application of artillery, where the stocked shells and barrels are still usable.

So this brings me back to the question: how much spare parts can Russia get out of its vast air fleets to keep its aircraft flying? I know trade barriers have cut it off from lots of foreign equipment, but can they still keep some operational ability via salvage?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Platystemon posted:

Crikey! That’s the largest boomerang I’ve ever seen!

I know I've seen a bigger one but I can't quite recall where. I'll think on it for a while, I'm sure it will come back to me.

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Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


Humphreys posted:

My mate caught this here in Australia:

https://i.imgur.com/xqSokfc.mp4

Caught what now?

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