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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Some people choose to see the ugliness in this thread. The disarray. I choose to see the beauty. it doesn't look like anything to me 
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Batmasterson posted:This is driving me insane but when Host William shot Bernard, it was daytime, and then we have a flashback to Bernard's conversation in the Sublime where he sees the city burning, then it cuts back to Bernard dying on the ground and its suddenly night time. Am I remembering this correctly? Was this just a continuity error? Might just be that it took that long for WilliamBot to get the program going.
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Aug 8, 2022 23:43
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ram dass in hell posted:it doesn't look like anything to me Man, all these meme quotes from season 1 remind me how good and fresh that season felt and now I'm just bummed again at how the potential got squandered so quickly from Season 2 on. I just don't get it - did some integral part of the team beyond Nolan and Joy that nobody knows about leave after Season 1? How did a pair of writers who made something so good... just stop being good?
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Aug 9, 2022 00:59
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This has been in my head since the tone generator stuff first came up, and then there was this week.
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Aug 9, 2022 01:10
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This thread about Westworld > the show If you’re going to steal from anything, Spaceballs is a good place to start. I wish there was more Akecheta this season
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Aug 9, 2022 01:35
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Codependent Poster posted:I think we haven't seen what the whole deal for the end of season 2 was with William and his daughter in the future? Lister posted:No, not really. It's a full two seasons and over four years since that episode aired and we barely have any indication what was going on there. Only an understanding of why everything in the park was ruined and where the William host came from. I hate that poo poo about mystery box plotting. Introducing a big question like that and still barely have a clue so long afterwards is a sloppy way to make a tv show. I'm not too wrapped up in the show now, and less than I was back then, but I think an honest question deserves a year-old old take if it might de-puzzle things. I think--could be wrong, but this actually made sense to me--that that bit in the end of S2 was the fidelity test for the robot William that was introduced at the end of S3 and is now one of the most important characters in S4. That's all it was, the simulation testing the mind of the William host for fidelity.
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Memnaelar posted:Man, all these meme quotes from season 1 remind me how good and fresh that season felt and now I'm just bummed again at how the potential got squandered so quickly from Season 2 on. I just don't get it - did some integral part of the team beyond Nolan and Joy that nobody knows about leave after Season 1? How did a pair of writers who made something so good... just stop being good? I saw people online talking about how great Hale was as a bad guy when she was playing with the humans a few episodes ago, and then I remembered the season 1 scene where Ford has a sit down with that business woman. The slow build of how coolly sinister and in control he was is such a better way to portray a villain versus laughably evil poo poo like making people into a chair for you on a whim. I don't know what happened either. Sometimes people just burn all their good ideas and just can't think of anything else. Onomarchus posted:I'm not too wrapped up in the show now, and less than I was back then, but I think an honest question deserves a year-old old take if it might de-puzzle things. I think--could be wrong, but this actually made sense to me--that that bit in the end of S2 was the fidelity test for the robot William that was introduced at the end of S3 and is now one of the most important characters in S4. That's all it was, the simulation testing the mind of the William host for fidelity. That's not a bad idea, but it seemed to me like that location had a lot more than a year or two of disrepair.
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Aug 9, 2022 06:27
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Butternubs posted:I knew goons in TV IV had bad takes but wow. thats not candy posted:do those transcended host bodies not have arms or do they fold up like a bug or something?
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Aug 9, 2022 10:41
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So can somebody summarize the s4 plot? I am still not sure, especially the non-Deloros part.
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Aug 9, 2022 10:58
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stephenthinkpad posted:So can somebody summarize the s4 plot? I am still not sure, especially the non-Deloros part. Halores has taken over the world with nanotech flies and put all the humans in park-like "cities" where they're subliminally controlled by infrasound towers. Maeve and Caleb tried to stop her, but Maeve got buried in an explosion and Caleb got killed then resurrected as a Host. Bernard used his time in The Infinite to run millions of simulations of different ways to stop her and has returned to put the best one into action by digging up Maeve and teaming up with Caleb's daughter. Also Stubbs is there. Oh yeah and it turns out the Infinite is housed on a server farm at a hydroelectric dam. Halores wants all the Hosts to evolve past their human-based programming and "ascend" (we don't know what that actually means yet) but it's a hard sell even to herself. Host William is getting sick of being Halores' lil bitch, which is not helped by his chats with Real William, who is kept on ice. He ends up killing Halores and Maeve, then setting all the cities to Deathmatch/The Purge mode. Meanwhile there's a Dolores variant called Christine who doesn't know she's a host and thinks the narratives she writes are for computer games and not actually controlling the lives of humans in the cities. Also Teddy is there. and then it turns out that they're in a simulation somehow but interfacing with the real world? idk that was the cliffhanger of the last episode so I guess we'll find out Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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Aug 9, 2022 11:48
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My guess for a bit has been that Christine/Teddy are whatever Bernard has been screwing around with and is the culmination of his plan.
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Aug 9, 2022 12:09
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So not-Deloros is like...how do I phrase it...an AI wearing a reversed VR gaggles? She is not a actual robot? Wait doesn't she interact with other people? Unless she is a projection like doc in Voyager. Is Christina in a Matrix or in real NYC?
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Aug 9, 2022 12:12
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stephenthinkpad posted:So not-Deloros is like...how do I phrase it...an AI wearing a reversed VR gaggles? She is not a actual robot? Wait doesn't she interact with other people? Unless she is a projection like doc in Voyager. We're not sure yet.
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Aug 9, 2022 12:13
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Lister posted:versus laughably evil poo poo like making people into a chair for you on a whim. Well, it's all about the use of weapons. Also, A.Hopkins is Welsh and by his very nature, sinister.
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Aug 9, 2022 13:39
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at least the first season was really good yo
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Aug 9, 2022 14:32
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Don't forget robowilliam beat the Vice President to death
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Aug 9, 2022 18:02
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So anyway, will they tie into the Dutch daughter talking down to Robo-Will scene from season 3, or will they conveniently ignore that one? That's gonna be interesting. --edit: Or season 2. gently caress knows, I can't keep them apart.
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Aug 9, 2022 18:11
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When we revisit the scene of MIB passing his fidelity test I hope he was built with the memory of convincing DIB to stab him. I’m going with DIB now.
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Aug 9, 2022 18:16
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A Buttery Pastry posted:MGS is a super straightforward series. The idea that it's complicated or nonsensical is just a meme.  Tell me you've never played the metal gear solid series without telling me you've never played the metal gear solid series lol
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Aug 9, 2022 18:24
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run on sentience posted:
Yeah, try explaining Ocelot's plan, starting with Snake Eater and how he ended up somehow fulfilling it in MGS4. It's the most convoluted nonsense ever.
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Aug 9, 2022 18:28
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Listen, he's not possessed. He just used nanomachines to fake possession. It's an easy mistake to make, you know, what with his dad being a medium and all.
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Aug 9, 2022 18:41
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Darko posted:Yeah, try explaining Ocelot's plan, starting with Snake Eater and how he ended up somehow fulfilling it in MGS4. It's the most convoluted nonsense ever.
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Aug 9, 2022 20:36
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love can definitely bloom even on the battlefield, there will always be a weapon to surpass metal gear, there are no heroes in war, and what you think you see is only as real as your brain tells you it is
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Aug 9, 2022 21:06
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Wait until you see the plot of Gundam
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Aug 9, 2022 21:43
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Darko posted:I caught that too; there was a super blatant cut back and forth to black with a total scene change there. The show does this all the time, literally every episode. I'm guessing it's for dramatic effect?
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Aug 9, 2022 22:40
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Darko posted:It's the most convoluted nonsense ever. Kingdom Hearts still exists
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Aug 9, 2022 23:55
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Halores has taken over the world with nanotech flies and put all the humans in park-like "cities" where they're subliminally controlled by infrasound towers. Maeve and Caleb tried to stop her, but Maeve got buried in an explosion and Caleb got killed then resurrected as a Host. Best synopsis of the season. Especially the "Also Teddy is there." I'm sure there will be a DUN DUN DUNN moment in the finale where it reveals who he really is, but I'm tired of "the actor who is known to the audience and contractually obligated to show up to set was actually ____ wearing a skinsuit all along!" It's no longer a twist. It's convolution.
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Aug 10, 2022 00:16
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Am I misremembering or did Bernard not literally change Stubbs's programming so that he'd serve and protect him? Pretty funny to see them being all emotional at the end there.
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Chris James 2 posted:Kingdom Hearts still exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwEwxKkCGJE Get Nort'ed
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Aug 10, 2022 03:54
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Nah they made those like 2 games in the aughts then it just kinda went away. Shame
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Aug 10, 2022 15:08
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Is it correct that the The Infinite runs simulations of the world based on all the data and The Sublime is AI paradise? They are two distinct things right?
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Aug 10, 2022 15:56
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Owling Howl posted:Is it correct that the The Infinite runs simulations of the world based on all the data and The Sublime is AI paradise? They are two distinct things right? The Infinite is AI paradise, Bernard just used it as a World Simulator because he wasn't going to stay. I don't think we've ever actually been told what The Sublime is, but to me it just sounds like The Infinite mk II, made because no-one could get into The Infinite (right up until Bernard opened the door and left it open)
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Aug 10, 2022 16:14
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As evolved and above the physical world as the AI now are, they are still turbo hosed if someone cuts the power to the server farm.
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Yeah, given that Amazon and Google already understand the importance of offsite data redundancy, you'd think a hyper-intelligent AI in 2080 would have a more robust system for their cloud heaven than the one server farm powered by a singular source. You'd think they'd put together a few dozen networked sites worldwide, all powered by different renewables and/or nuclear. Probably wouldn't hurt to have accessible drone hosts in the physical world to handle repairs or manufacturing new equipment and what-not.
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Collateral posted:As evolved and above the physical world as the AI now are, they are still turbo hosed if someone cuts the power to the server farm. Excession, by Iain M Banks posted:There was only one problem with the Land of Infinite Fun, and that was that if you ever did lose yourself in it completely - as Minds occasionally did, just as humans sometimes surrendered utterly to some AI environment - you could forget that there was a base reality at all. In a way, this didn't really matter, as long as there was somebody back where you came from minding the hearth. The problem came when there was nobody left or inclined to tend the fire, mind the store, look after the housekeeping (or however you wanted to express it), or if somebody or something else - somebody or something from outside, the sort of entity that came under the general heading of an Outside Context Problem, for example - decided they wanted to meddle with the fire in that hearth, the stock in the store, the contents and running of the house; if you'd spent all your time having Fun, with no way back to reality, or just no idea what to do to protect yourself when you did get back there, then you were vulnerable. In fact, you were probably dead, or enslaved.
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They're pulling some more time poo poo with Teddy and Charlotte not being anywhere near the same continuity as Bernard and Maeve, aren't they? Time shenanigans were a fun twist in S1 but it's made me doubt the timelines of any group that isn't speaking to each other in the same room. They've even already pulled it this season! Stupid show. Excited for the finale.
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Jorge Bell posted:They're pulling some more time poo poo with Teddy and Charlotte not being anywhere near the same continuity as Bernard and Maeve, aren't they? Time shenanigans were a fun twist in S1 but it's made me doubt the timelines of any group that isn't speaking to each other in the same room. They've even already pulled it this season! Stupid show. Excited for the finale.
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Aug 11, 2022 12:14
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Jorge Bell posted:They're pulling some more time poo poo with Teddy and Charlotte not being anywhere near the same continuity as Bernard and Maeve, aren't they? Time shenanigans were a fun twist in S1 but it's made me doubt the timelines of any group that isn't speaking to each other in the same room. They've even already pulled it this season! Stupid show. Excited for the finale. Do you mean Christina? Charlotte was definitely in the same continuity as Maeve, at least for part of the last episode.
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Christina, and by extension Teddy, are not physical beings. They exist in a simulation of the world that perfectly emulates the real world in real time. How this squares up with a real person physically cutting Christina, and Teddy beating the poo poo out him, I don’t know.
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So this real world of mind controlled humans walking around for the amusement of Halores, it doesn't even need the back end service depots to make the humans act properly like in the Westworld park. Everything just get explained away with cheap rear end FX nanomachine flies?
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