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I've been planning to replace my 17-year-old Mazda 6 with an EV in the next year or so. I had mostly settled on an Ioniq 5 (or 6, now that I've learned about it and would prefer a sedan-sized car anyway), but one of my stumbling blocks is I don't make enough money to get even half the value of the tax credit, so I was theorycrafting that I could pay for the house improvements my mom was withdrawing her retirement for while she buys the EV for me and gets the full tax credit. I didn't realize the Inflation Reduction Act was screwing around with the EV incentives, so my plans may have been mooted especially if the Ioniq doesn't qualify for the incentives anymore. What I haven't been able to find is how the $7500 works with the bill. I saw a post earlier in the thread saying it could be applied at time of purchase instead of waiting for tax time, but what I couldn't find is if that means I don't have to actually pay $7500 in income taxes to take full advantage of the credit. Is it just going to be a flat $7500 off a fully-qualified car, or is my income going to factor into it (beyond the caps which I don't remotely come close to)?
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bird with big dick posted:ya think the 35k msrp one does not have supercruise
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Aug 11, 2022 20:11
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the 35k msrp one does not have supercruise Yes, it does. Stop being wrong.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:16
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bird with big dick posted:Yes, it does. I stand corrected! GM shows net of incentives/offers but not tax credits on their website unlike some OEMs.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:17
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Because they don't have tax credits when it was setup/yet.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:52
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I too was confused by your response. So it’s a true hands free system for 35k that’s going to be a significant upgrade over typical LKA features. Hell if you wanted the base trim it would be even less, like 31k. If I’m super lucky it will be delivered in 2023 and maybe I’ll get some tax credits to have in my back pocket next year hobbez fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 21:07
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hobbez posted:I too was confused by your response. So it’s a true hands free system for 35k that’s going to be a significant upgrade over typical LKA features. Hell if you wanted the base trim it would be even less, like 31k. It is a true hands free system on certain highways only, mostly interstate highways, keep in mind. map here: https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/super-cruise
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Aug 11, 2022 21:26
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Pyroclastic posted:What I haven't been able to find is how the $7500 works with the bill. I saw a post earlier in the thread saying it could be applied at time of purchase instead of waiting for tax time, but what I couldn't find is if that means I don't have to actually pay $7500 in income taxes to take full advantage of the credit. The tax credit is going to be transferable to the dealer so you can opt to let them have it and they have to give you the money at time of sale as either "cash or in the form of a partial payment or down payment for the purchase". It also says that "the credit which would be allowed to such taxpayer with respect to such vehicle shall be allowed to the [dealer]", which makes me think that if you don't have a $7500 tax bill only what does apply to you gets transferred to the dealer. I could be reading that completely wrong though.
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Aug 11, 2022 23:16
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The Mazda compliance EVs are already on CarMax. Given that there are fewer than 600 of them, seeing (e: 5) of them for sale is not a shining recommendation. This is of course to be expected; they have poo poo range + charging, bizarre doors, and are pretty small. However, that does mean they are some of the cheapest basically new EVs - just no tax credit to offset the cost, which could be part of the reason they are there. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 23:30
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Saw a Volvo XC40 Recharge in person, honestly, if it hadn't been at a DC fast charger I would have had no idea that it was a EV. There is basically nothing that you can see at any distance to suggest that it is an EV which I think is an interesting take. Pricing though, once you option it out to it's competitors levels I just could not justify spending another $10k.
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Aug 12, 2022 00:44
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Three Olives posted:Saw a Volvo XC40 Recharge in person, honestly, if it hadn't been at a DC fast charger I would have had no idea that it was a EV. There is basically nothing that you can see at any distance to suggest that it is an EV which I think is an interesting take. Depending on the colour, the white ones with the white grille look very EV-ish. I see one around here pretty often. I also don’t think they’re great value, they don’t do anything that a competitor doesn’t do better for less money. Not quite luxe enough. Tiny cargo space for the size of it. I would really be interested in an all ev xc90 but it would be mega bucks.
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Aug 12, 2022 00:48
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Today must be “Everybody Talk to Endy About EVs Day”, my goodness Three separate people during my work day talking about my car. Two of them were boomer coworkers trying goad me into saying it’s worse than gas, using the fun things like “well what’ll you do when it runs out of battery?” and “gas is still cheaper than electricity”. Which holy moly no it the gently caress isn’t, not here in Ohio coal country where I’m paying like 12 or 13 cents a kW. And the third was the teen at Burger King who wanted to know how fast it was 😊
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Today must be “Everybody Talk to Endy About EVs Day”, my goodness I don’t think gas is cheaper than electricity even in San Francisco or LA.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:“gas is still cheaper than electricity”. Which holy moly no it the gently caress isn’t, not here in Ohio coal country where I’m paying like 12 or 13 cents a kW. I had some chud in a jacked up truck trot that one out. Got pretty annoyed when I told him my solar panels had the charging costs covered. I still haven't used all of my 1000kwh EA credit from Kia.
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Aug 12, 2022 02:00
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Citizen Z posted:I had some chud in a jacked up truck trot that one out. Got pretty annoyed when I told him my solar panels had the charging costs covered. Probably saw the FB moron that did the math assuming it takes 8 hours of DCFC to fill an EVs battery.
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Aug 12, 2022 02:13
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Traded the 3 in.
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I feel like there's an argument to be made about self-reliance when it comes to EVs and solar generation, but I don't know how to form that argument in a way that would land properly with the people I'd need to make it to.
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bird with big dick posted:Traded the 3 in. You're in the car-of-the-month club aren't you.
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I’ve had some dumber relatives post “here’s another load of EV fuel” with images of a coal train. “Hurr hurr so much for getting off fossil fuels.” They don’t have much response when I point out I’ve got solar panels plus my state is heavy into nuclear.
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Aug 12, 2022 02:22
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Putting a deposit down on a Rivian to take advantage of the tax credit before it expires is a bad idea, right? It's just a bit too long to fit in the garage space I'd like it to go in. 
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cruft posted:Another thing to bear in mind, if you care about such things, is that you wishing you could have an EV and things just not being set up for that to be feasible is itself helping the global situation. You're contributing to demand. This is a really nice sentiment, thank you 
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cruft posted:I feel like there's an argument to be made about self-reliance when it comes to EVs and solar generation, but I don't know how to form that argument in a way that would land properly with the people I'd need to make it to. "Boy, I sure hate paying for gas and electricity. Don't you?"
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Residency Evil posted:Putting a deposit down on a Rivian to take advantage of the tax credit before it expires is a bad idea, right? That's an odd way to spell Taycan Sport Turismo GTS.
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MrYenko posted:I don’t think gas is cheaper than electricity even in San Francisco or LA. I believe electricity rates have to hit about 60c/kWh to break even with $5/gal gasoline and even here in the Northern Sac Valley of CA where PG&E has a stranglehold, rates are a bit under 40c/kWh off-peak, so an EV only costs around 2/3 as much to fuel. PG&E also raised their rates 20% this year due to huge expenses from causing the worst fires in California history and there’s no reason to assume they won’t do it again, so if gas falls back to the $4.50 range we could potentially hit electricity/gas price parity soon.
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I'm paying $20/day to commute instead of $1.50 driving a 25MPG gas truck instead of my Leaf. When I get my Mach I'll be paying $0.00 per day to commute. I get my Leaf back Monday and I'm so loving excited. Would be more excited if Ford would build me my goddamn car. 
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Aug 12, 2022 11:47
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I did a road trip for work and I feel kinda dirty expensing the 62 cents per mile.
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Eyes Only posted:I did a road trip for work and I feel kinda dirty expensing the 62 cents per mile. Don’t tell anyone or we’ll get an email about how we’re not allowed to claim it if we drive an EV
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Eyes Only posted:I did a road trip for work and I feel kinda dirty expensing the 62 cents per mile. Don't feel bad 
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Tacier posted:I believe electricity rates have to hit about 60c/kWh to break even with $5/gal gasoline and even here in the Northern Sac Valley of CA where PG&E has a stranglehold, rates are a bit under 40c/kWh off-peak, so an EV only costs around 2/3 as much to fuel. Is there a reliable way to check price per kWh? I’m in Nj on pseg and I’ve scoured my account and bill and I never see the actual rate I’m being charged which is suspect is by design.
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bird with big dick posted:Traded the 3 in. Wait, what? More info needed!
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Tacier posted:rates are a bit under 40c/kWh off-peak  I thought we had it bad in MA at ~ 25c/kWh average
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Is there a reliable way to check price per kWh? I’m in Nj on pseg and I’ve scoured my account and bill and I never see the actual rate I’m being charged which is suspect is by design. The rate you pay is mostly irrelevant because there are other things you also have to pay for. I typically just take the entire electricity bill and divide it on the kWh used.
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Holy poo poo, my winter electricity bills would be loving brutal at $0.40/kWh.
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We're looking at $0.80 per kWh this winter. Even if the govt covers 90% above 8.75c it will still sting. (Normal winter rates here are around 5-7c)
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mattfl posted:Wait, what? More info needed! I didn't really, it's just a loaner.
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bird with big dick posted:I didn't really, it's just a loaner. I was going to say that’s a pretty aggressive wrap that it turned into a new car. Evil_Greven posted:The Mazda compliance EVs are already on CarMax. Given that there are fewer than 600 of them, seeing (e: 5) of them for sale is not a shining recommendation. My brain is broken because I like all the bad EVs, the i3 and this crappy mazda (aesthetics wise). Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Eyes Only posted:I did a road trip for work and I feel kinda dirty expensing the 62 cents per mile. I'm planning a work road-trip in my EV BECAUSE I can expense at 62¢ a mile 
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So far I've only driven the S back from the service center but do these older (2016ish? it's a 75D) ones not apply the brake at stoplights? I looked for a setting to turn it on but didn't see it and it definitely likes to roll forward if you don't have your foot on the brake. Also I panicked for a second when it had zero regen and rapidly realized they had charged it to 100%. Also the center screen is very slow/non responsive compared to my 2022.
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Just wanted to post a pic of my new ride. I love the way it drives but wish it had a little more cargo room. AWD Wind w/ tech.
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Russian Bear posted:My brain is broken because I like all the bad EVs, the i3 and this crappy mazda (aesthetics wise). Same, I have a soft spot for crappy Mazdas though. I heard a rumor they want to put a rotary range extender in the next one.
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