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Honestly, rereading this now as opposed to... like fifth grade, I'm surprised how blunt the "People you think are your intellectual inferiors: 1. Still have a right to decide their own destiny and 2. Understand far more than you think." parallel is, as I only remember thinking "Why did they put this Civil War story into this book?"
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Sorry about no post tonight. A few days ago, I was diagnosed with viral pneumonia, and whatever the virus is, it's hitting me hard right now, so my plan is to drink water and go to bed.
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# ? Aug 6, 2022 04:25 |
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Epicurius posted:Sorry about no post tonight. A few days ago, I was diagnosed with viral pneumonia, and whatever the virus is, it's hitting me hard right now, so my plan is to drink water and go to bed. hopefully you won't need a teenager to do brain surgery on you or spew out a crocodile
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# ? Aug 6, 2022 05:54 |
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Mazerunner posted:hopefully you won't need a teenager to do brain surgery on you or spew out a crocodile ok cool, so you want him to get addicted to maple ginger oatmeal?? very normal.
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Epicurius posted:Sorry about no post tonight. A few days ago, I was diagnosed with viral pneumonia, and whatever the virus is, it's hitting me hard right now, so my plan is to drink water and go to bed. No worries dude. You take all the rest you need. GWS.
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# ? Aug 6, 2022 06:40 |
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Epicurius posted:Sorry about no post tonight. A few days ago, I was diagnosed with viral pneumonia, and whatever the virus is, it's hitting me hard right now, so my plan is to drink water and go to bed. That sucks man, get well soon
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# ? Aug 6, 2022 11:16 |
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Chapter 9 - Isaiah Fitzhenryquote:At sundown, Sergeant Raines and two other soldiers walked with me down the main street of Sinkler’s Ridge. So, first off, that song was a pretty popular campsong during the Civil War. The joke was that in camp, the bugle ruled your life. THe attitudes of Joe Miller and the other townspeople about arming black soldiers is also not untypical of the period. This was Tennessee, which was a slave state, but even in non-slave states, the attitude was similar. Even a lot of people who didn't support slavery didn't support the idea of black people with guns, or black people considering themselves or being treated as the equal of white people. Sadly, this attitude didn't end with the Civil War. Chapter 10 - Jake quote:The more I looked at the makeshift map, the more I realized there weren’t going to be any Hork- Bajir left to relocate after the Yeerks came through. Not for nothing, but Jake's plan here isn't unlike the plan of the Chinese against the Japanese in WWII. In 1938, the Chinese government, desperate to stop the Chinese, destroyed the levees of the Yellow River, causing a giant flood. The floods did slow the Japanese down, but unfortunately, it also killed between 800,000-900,000 Chinese, and left up to 12 million homeless, their villages and property destroyed. So lets hope Jake manages to avoid that second part.
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# ? Aug 7, 2022 02:56 |
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Chapter 11quote:“We’re going to flood them out,” I announced. “We’re going to wash the Yeerks back down the valley. The beavers have already started things for us. We just have to expand their dam to hold back enough water to make a mini tidal wave.” The difference between Cassie and i was, when I was growing up, my mom never told me not to stick my hand in a beaver lodge. I mean, probably why my hands are all mangled and beaver torn to this day, but... Chapter 12 - Isaiah Fitzhenry quote:December 24, 1864. Fort Pillow happened much as Lieutenant Fitzhenry described.. Fort Pillow was being garrisoned by two units, a black artillery unit, and a unit of what was referred to as "Galvanized Yankees"....former Confederate soldiers who, usually after they were captured, agreed to join the US Army. Neither group was particularly well regarded by the Confederates. Forrest's troops won the battle and there were reports afterwards that troops, especially black troops, trying to surrender, were killed. After the battle, it's estimated that about 60% of the white troops and 20% of the black troops who fought for the Union, were taken prisoner, that discrepancy a pretty obvious illustration of what happened to the black soldiers. Forrest was cheered in the south and condemned in the north. I will point out that while the Massacre at Fort Pillow was the most famous, this wasn't the only time it occurred. It wasn't extremely uncommon for Confederate soldiers to execute black soldiers on the spot if they were captured. There was a pretty famous massacre after the Battle of the Crater, which was a failed Union attempt to open a hole in Confederate defenses during the Siege of Petersburg, right outside Richmond. Every soldier who fought in the Civil War knew that the danger of capture was real. But only black soldiers knew that if they were captured, they risked enslavement or death. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 8, 2022 |
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Forrest, while a fine cavalryman, was a loving monster. Also.... I just can't put aside an attack on an aircraft carrier. I just can't. Even in the days before internet, that poo poo would have been all over every single radio channel from here to Africa. Carrier groups are the most powerful military unit on the planet and you just don't sweep that under the rug. America will be pissed.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 04:11 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Forrest, while a fine cavalryman, was a loving monster. For additional context: Nathan Bedford Forrest was also the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. So "monster" is putting it extremely lightly.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 04:25 |
nine-gear crow posted:For additional context: Nathan Bedford Forrest was also the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. So "monster" is putting it extremely lightly. You're right. There aren't a lot of people where wasting a bunch of unarmed prisoners is the least of what they did, but Forrest is amongst that list.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:You're right. There aren't a lot of people where wasting a bunch of unarmed prisoners is the least of what they did, but Forrest is amongst that list. He also had a hilariously godawful ugly statue built in his honor by an extremely racist millionaire in Nashville, TN, who then left it, his entire fortune, and all of his land to his dog purely out of spite when he died in 2020. It was later defaced with pink paint and then removed by the city of Tennessee, whereupon it was catastrophically damaged during the removal process, thus ensuring it will never be re-errected anywhere else ever again.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 05:01 |
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I will sah, that's probably the best statue of a Confederate General out there. Unlike a lot of the other ones, its pretty much incapable of being revered.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 05:21 |
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Epicurius posted:I will sah, that's probably the best statue of a Confederate General out there. Unlike a lot of the other ones, its pretty much incapable of being revered. I maintain to this day it looks like there should be a giant spout of water sputtering out its ghastly agape mouth, just spewing an endless torrent onto the back of the horse's head like the world's worst, incredibly racist fountain adornment.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 05:29 |
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Thanks, wikipedia: that thing was 25 feet high. Just monstrous
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 06:11 |
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One thing I'll say about Forrest is, while you're right to criticize him as being really, really racist, it can be a mistake to single him out, because most of the Confederate leadership, both military and civilian, was really really racist. Sometimes I get the impression that there's a level of classism going on in the way that Forrest, who originally came from a poor family, was treated by historians. For instance, Forrest gets mentioned as being the first leader of the Klan, which is true, But Wade Hampton III, who came from South Carolina planter aristocracy, after the war, one of the people involved in forming the Red Shirts, a Democratic secret paramilitary group, whose terrorist activities got him elected Governor of South Carolina. Don't get me wrong. Forrest was a terrible human being and incredibly racist. But he wasn't the only one.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 06:39 |
Sure, but the topic came up because he was named in the book, is all. You're not gonna find anyone trumpeting the Lost Cause here, I don't think.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Sure, but the topic came up because he was named in the book, is all. You're not gonna find anyone trumpeting the Lost Cause here, I don't think. No, I know. I just thought it was important to bring up, because it's not always taught how terrible a lot of these people were. Really, the only leading Confederate who probably wasn't insanely racist was General Clerburne, who wrote a memo to Jefferson Davis saying, basically, om paraphrasing "Hey, since we're so badly outnumbered, we should probably recruit or draft slaves. To sweeten the pot, we can promise freedom to people who join up and their families. Plus, another benefit is that slavery is a pretty big disadvantage for us both domestically and internationally. The more we reduce the number of slaves, the better off we'll be. After all, we're fighting for independence, not slavery, right?" It was not received well. Here's the actual letter for those interested. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/patrick-cleburnes-proposal-arm-slaves Epicurius fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Aug 8, 2022 |
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Epicurius posted:One thing I'll say about Forrest is, while you're right to criticize him as being really, really racist, it can be a mistake to single him out, because most of the Confederate leadership, both military and civilian, was really really racist. Sometimes I get the impression that there's a level of classism going on in the way that Forrest, who originally came from a poor family, was treated by historians. For instance, Forrest gets mentioned as being the first leader of the Klan, which is true, But Wade Hampton III, who came from South Carolina planter aristocracy, after the war, one of the people involved in forming the Red Shirts, a Democratic secret paramilitary group, whose terrorist activities got him elected Governor of South Carolina. You do not need to hand it to Forrest, but he did also repudiate his racist beliefs and supported Black advancement. Who's to say whether or not it was genuine or if he just felt the wind was blowing that way, but it's pretty sad that "more racist that Nathan Bedford Forrest" is a pretty easy bar to clear. My favorite (?) Confederate is Robert Toombs, because he drank himself blind and died painfully. I liked this book a lot as a kid, but reading it back now it's really obvious that the Civil War bits are just Glory. Not even inspired by, really, it's just the novelization for young readers of the movie Glory.
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 12:07 |
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I'm glad the heroic apartheid warriors of the north won Like yeah everyone of human value sided with the union, but most of them were still awful
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# ? Aug 8, 2022 20:16 |
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oh boy oh boy oh boy This thread is a bad influence
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# ? Aug 9, 2022 02:30 |
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Chapter 13-Jakequote:I put Ax in charge of the “dam expansion.” He had a clear sense of the mechanics of the whole thing. Said something about how the natural curve of the beaver’s dam was actually the most efficient shape to hold back the water. So much for subtlety. I swear, if they try the "I can't tell you my name...." after this book.... Chapter 14 - Isaiah Fitzhenry quote:My heart stopped. Not sure how much more time they have to train, but....
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# ? Aug 9, 2022 03:45 |
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Star Man posted:oh boy oh boy oh boy At least the cover art got better after the first one just like in the original series Also, huh. That "we can morph clothes now btw" seems kinda big for them to just include as a throwaway comment here. Fuschia tude fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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Fuschia tude posted:At least the cover art got better after the first one The first one was pretty well done, but Chris Grine kinda sucks at visually differentiating characters and can only draw one style of face. I've seen some of the submission portfolios from other artists who all auditioned for the graphic novel job with Scholastic posted on Tumblr and Twitter and a lot of theirs were much better selections for the job, but it is what it is, I guess. At least Grine's a cool dude on Twitter and can draw animals REALLY well. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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They could just have Tobias morph Ax, keeps plausible deniability.
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# ? Aug 9, 2022 06:41 |
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Come out of the woods as wolves, tigers, and bears. Surprise them as aliens at night. Even pretend the woods are haunted by blasting them with thoughtspeak. Really there are a lot of other options.
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nine-gear crow posted:The first one was pretty well done, but Chris Grine kinda sucks at visually differentiating characters and can only draw one style of face. I've seen some of the submission portfolios from other artists who all auditioned for the graphic novel job with Scholastic posted on Tumblr and Twitter and a lot of theirs were much better selections for the job, but it is what it is, I guess. At least Grine's a cool dude on Twitter and can draw animals REALLY well. It's fine. It's absolutely uninspiring, the kids all have the same face, and it's apparently pretty indistinguishable from other graphic novels for the target demographic. But it's fine. What I'm surprised by is that it's faithful to the source material to a fault. It's set in the late nineties and no one has things like smartphones. Tobias has a Discman. And poo poo like Rachel trampling a Taxxon to death as an elephant and Tobias ripping a Hork-Bajir's eyes out are right there. All the grossness of morphing is there with bones snapping and flesh turning into goop. I really am impressed by that. I was ready for some things to be adjusted to make it a little less gory or loose clothes being morphed too. I'm not about these being only released once a year. Not that I expect an adaptation of all fifty-four books and all ten supplemental books, but I really can't see these books only rolling out annually and getting any deeper than book five. I fell off the series in 2000 somewhere in the mid-twenties just from growing out of it and falling into other obsessions when I was thirteen. I read the last book when it came out in summer 2001 (good god can you imagine if this series lasted past 9/11). But the impressions I've gotten from the thread, many of the books could be just omitted or condensed, if Scholastic has any ambitions to run these all the way to the end. I know I'd absolutely poo poo my pants if a graphic novel adaptation of Andalite Chronicles and Hork-Bajir Chronicles released. And to nitpick, auditions are for performing arts. In visual art, it's just a call for work or a call for entries. Star Man fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Also, huh. That "we can morph clothes now btw" seems kinda big for them to just include as a throwaway comment here. Was coming in here to say exactly this. That's a hell of a shift to just casually drop in a single line with no further context or explanation. Epicurius posted:Really, the only leading Confederate who probably wasn't insanely racist was General Clerburne, who wrote a memo to Jefferson Davis saying, basically, om paraphrasing "Hey, since we're so badly outnumbered, we should probably recruit or draft slaves. To sweeten the pot, we can promise freedom to people who join up and their families. Plus, another benefit is that slavery is a pretty big disadvantage for us both domestically and internationally. The more we reduce the number of slaves, the better off we'll be. After all, we're fighting for independence, not slavery, right?" Also thanks for this, I'd never heard this story before and it's kinda fascinating. I always kind of thought the "It wasn't about slavery, it was about States' Rights!" creed was a more modern-day defense of confederate pride, I had no idea anyone within the actual confederacy itself legitimately believed that.
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CidGregor posted:Also thanks for this, I'd never heard this story before and it's kinda fascinating. I always kind of thought the "It wasn't about slavery, it was about States' Rights!" creed was a more modern-day defense of confederate pride, I had no idea anyone within the actual confederacy itself legitimately believed that. Cleburne was interesting. He was Irish, and moved to the Arkansas as an adult, where he became a pharmacist and co-owner of a newspaper with a friend. So even though slavery didn't bother him, he was never raised in an environment of slavery or direct anti-black racism, and I don't think he ever owned slaves. So he always had that sort of outsider mentality that let him consider things that somebody brought up in the south wouldn't have considered.
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Hate to do this to you, but going to have to put this off until tomorrow.
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I've just caught up on this thread after slowly devouring it from the beginning over a few weeks and I gotta say thank you so much for doing this. I missed out on Animorphs as a kid (the covers were too goofy and I had already fallen from poo poo like Babysitters Club right into the Star Wars novels so I wasn't too keen on kid heroes anymore at that age) and I'm very grateful to have this opportunity to really read through them. The discussions and details everyone has been contributing to have made this a really great experience. Super stoked to be joining y'all for the endgame.
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Chapter 15-Jakequote:The campers believed. The day Will be saved...by Trekkies. Also, Toby is spooky. Chapter 16-Isaiah Fitzhenry quote:All told, the Union lost five men, the Rebels thirteen. I'm pretty sure this scene is straight out of Glory. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Epicurius posted:The day wukk be saved,,,
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# ? Aug 11, 2022 05:37 |
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I fixed it....
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# ? Aug 11, 2022 05:49 |
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I was following the thread out of childhood curiosity, but stopped when it got too painfully repetitive. Catching up now, it's incredible how much better it gets with some actual plot momentum. You could adapt the whole series into one movie by cutting 30 books' worth of white noise.
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Epicurius posted:
When you steal, steal from the best
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rollick posted:I was following the thread out of childhood curiosity, but stopped when it got too painfully repetitive. Catching up now, it's incredible how much better it gets with some actual plot momentum. You could adapt the whole series into one movie by cutting 30 books' worth of white noise. I've always imagined that in the completely unrealistic scenario where Animorphs ever got a Game of Thrones level TV adaptation, it would be around 6 seasons, with a slow and leisurely, character-building adaptation of most of the first 26 books or so, while skipping obvious filler like 14 with the Yeerk-infested horses or 25 with the adventure to the North Pole. After that a ton of filler books in the 30s and 40s could be skipped, not skipping the important Aftran/Yeerk Peace Movement stuff, everything with Marco and his mom, and the Tobias & Taylor stuff. Then nearly everything from 45 onward is basically an entire big-budget last season on its own...actually 45 would be a great episode to end the previous season on. Not sure how the Megamorphs or Chronicles come in, something like the dinosaurs one or the time matrix shenanigans seems unrealistic to ever make even in this hypothetical world where Animorphs was a global phenomenon. Ellimist Chronicles would simply be unfilmable.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:I've always imagined that in the completely unrealistic scenario where Animorphs ever got a Game of Thrones level TV adaptation, it would be around 6 seasons, with a slow and leisurely, character-building adaptation of most of the first 26 books or so, while skipping obvious filler like 14 with the Yeerk-infested horses or 25 with the adventure to the North Pole. After that a ton of filler books in the 30s and 40s could be skipped, not skipping the important Aftran/Yeerk Peace Movement stuff, everything with Marco and his mom, and the Tobias & Taylor stuff. Then nearly everything from 45 onward is basically an entire big-budget last season on its own...actually 45 would be a great episode to end the previous season on. You could do Andalite Chronicles and Visser probably, it wouldn't take that many setpieces and you could do them as interstitial movies between seasons. Hork-Bajir Chronicles would almost definitely be completely cut if for no other reason than that there are no human characters at all. Ellimist Chronicles would work best as a post series cap that got adapted into an actual movie if you could ever convince people to film it. Or hell build it out into its own prequel series (which again would never be made because of the whole 'no human characters' stuff. The Megamorphs could mostly just go into the pile of unadapted stuff, though the first one is actually probably a good season finale to sneak in for Season 1 or so considering it doesn't get nearly as weird as the later ones. I would also riot if we didn't get to see Tobias ice Hitler.
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Capfalcon posted:When you steal, steal from the best I believe there is another civil war movie where the commander is shot - but he is holding his sword and the bullet bounced off the flat of the blade between the handle and his waist. I am pretty sure him thinking he was shot, was very very familiar to what happened to Isaiah, but I can’t remember what movie it is. Edit: Jeff Daniels in Gettysburg Fritzler fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Chapter 17-Jakequote:The Hork-Bajir welcoming committee walked after us. The campers kept their distance, fear and wonder on their moonstruck faces. It is pretty dangerous, both for the group and the campers. Chapter 18 quote:<Prince Jake.> Ax. <Time is running out. We need your help to finish the dam.> So, here they come.
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