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Ferrinus posted:I don't know W:tA that well. Was there an Italian tribe?
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I think the closest they get is the Glass Walkers and Silver Fangs because of Rome but there’s none that are Italian stereotypes.
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Aug 12, 2022 19:25
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Well, then, we know what kind of player character tribe we need to replace the Get with.
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Aug 12, 2022 19:25
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when the moon makes you turn into a furry goon that's amore
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Aug 12, 2022 19:49
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Ferrinus posted:I don't know W:tA that well. Was there an Italian tribe? Yeah they were called the Gabbagarou.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:32
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Fuzz posted:Yeah they were called the Gabbagarou. I opened the thread to make this exact joke 
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Aug 12, 2022 21:03
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Kurieg posted:So are they getting rid of all the other tribes then if we're evaluating them only by how they were depicted in 1st edition? or are they still going to have the Fianna be a bunch of drunken irishmen who gently caress faeries? Yeah. There is a lot of cruft at the heart of the Wyld. After rehabbing the Get in Revised just to axe them seems a bit of a waste.
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Aug 12, 2022 21:13
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Honestly not sure if the idea of 'kinfolk' can be rehabilitated at all. They're fundamentally 'breeding stock.'
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TheCenturion posted:Honestly not sure if the idea of 'kinfolk' can be rehabilitated at all. They're fundamentally 'breeding stock.' The number one best change to Werewolf: the Forsaken Second Edition was adding "Wolf-Blooded" (Forsaken's equivalent to kinfolk who carry the potential to become werewolves) who occur spontaneously or from mad blessings and curses, and I wish they had followed through harder and gotten rid of the hereditary Wolf-Blooded altogether.
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“Hey, Spagheddaboutit!” — Roasts-Garlic, Bone Gnawer
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I Am Just a Box posted:The number one best change to Werewolf: the Forsaken Second Edition was adding "Wolf-Blooded" (Forsaken's equivalent to kinfolk who carry the potential to become werewolves) who occur spontaneously or from mad blessings and curses, and I wish they had followed through harder and gotten rid of the hereditary Wolf-Blooded altogether. If I ran Forsaken I'd just make it so that because of past genetic bottlenecks means that basically everyone in the entire world is Wolf-Blooded, it's just a matter of degrees and enough stimuli awakening that ancestral memory.
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Aug 12, 2022 23:16
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I Am Just a Box posted:The number one best change to Werewolf: the Forsaken Second Edition was adding "Wolf-Blooded" (Forsaken's equivalent to kinfolk who carry the potential to become werewolves) who occur spontaneously or from mad blessings and curses, and I wish they had followed through harder and gotten rid of the hereditary Wolf-Blooded altogether. So Werewolves are Jedi?
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Aug 13, 2022 01:11
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Fuzz posted:So Werewolves are Jedi? Some werewolves are born bewitched, devil children who came out the womb with a living caul of wolfskin or spirit doubles who have twin siblings born and raised in the Shadow reflection of the world. (There are mechanics for both of these, as well as several other weird curse-blessings: the caul-child can wear the caulskin to transform into a dire wolf, the Shadow-twins can switch places between the two worlds. 2e Wolf-Blooded are cool even before the First Change.) Other people have one terribly bad day when they have a violent psychotic break from reality, or their flesh is rent and torn by wolf fangs, and to make their day worse, something about how harrowed and panicked they grow in that moment makes the Moon fall in love with them and bless them by turning them into monsters.
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Aug 13, 2022 02:11
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I always thought the Wolf-Blooded who has an always-available second skin should have constant access to Urhan form, while the Wolf-Blooded who transforms uncontrollably by the light of the full moon should be taking on the Urshul form.
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Ferrinus posted:I always thought the Wolf-Blooded who has an always-available second skin should have constant access to Urhan form, while the Wolf-Blooded who transforms uncontrollably by the light of the full moon should be taking on the Urshul form. I was speaking off the top of my head; upon checking the book, Second Skin does give you Urhan, and the Shape-Shifted under the light of the full moon does get Urshul.
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I Am Just a Box posted:I was speaking off the top of my head; upon checking the book, Second Skin does give you Urhan, and the Shape-Shifted under the light of the full moon does get Urshul. Oh poo poo really? I'd swear I remember reading it like you initially said/like I initially implied was weird but I'm glad to have misremembered.
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Aug 13, 2022 05:26
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That Old Tree posted:The reddit thread about it was pretty gross before it got locked. Good riddance. The OP of that thread was the same guy who make a thread about setting a Chronicle in war-torn Ukraine lol
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Aug 13, 2022 06:56
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Please ask INjustin Achilles to confirm that Sgt Rage and his Killing Commandos all got to go to Werewolf Heaven and do pushups with Gaia, even if the Get are being written out or ruled 'extant but unplayable/wyrm-raddled'
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Aug 13, 2022 07:02
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a7m2 posted:The OP of that thread was the same guy who make a thread about setting a Chronicle in war-torn Ukraine lol ...is his IP address in Sweden somewhere?
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Aug 13, 2022 08:21
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So uh, I bought Vampire 5th edition on a nostalgia kick, did I do a bad thing? The OP made the franchise seem too toxic to support. Is it in a better place now that Renegade Studios is in charge?
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Drinking With Nixon posted:So uh, I bought Vampire 5th edition on a nostalgia kick, did I do a bad thing? The OP made the franchise seem too toxic to support. Is it in a better place now that Renegade Studios is in charge? There were some problems earlier with the source books but recently it seems to have been in a good place. The book is terribly laid out in terms of how easy it is to access info quickly but I like the rules a lot
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Drinking With Nixon posted:So uh, I bought Vampire 5th edition on a nostalgia kick, did I do a bad thing? The OP made the franchise seem too toxic to support. Is it in a better place now that Renegade Studios is in charge? If you were looking for nostalgia you should have got the massive phonebook vampire 20th edition. Everything White Wolf made during the 90s is very 90s. Just keep that in mind, we are not in the 90s any more and edgy 90s things are cringe now.
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Rutibex posted:If you were looking for nostalgia you should have got the massive phonebook vampire 20th edition. Totally agree that's why I was excited by an updated version, see if it was any good. I have no desire to go back. Wanted to read the newest and shiniest thing.
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Aug 13, 2022 09:08
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Kurieg posted:So are they getting rid of all the other tribes then if we're evaluating them only by how they were depicted in 1st edition? or are they still going to have the Fianna be a bunch of drunken irishmen who gently caress faeries? That kinda sounds rad ngl
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Aug 13, 2022 10:57
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Drinking With Nixon posted:Totally agree that's why I was excited by an updated version, see if it was any good. I have no desire to go back. Wanted to read the newest and shiniest thing. Beckett's Jyhad Diary is a good read that bridges some of the old story to the new. As another lapsed Vampire enjoyer it was nice to catch up with some of the named characters.
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Aug 13, 2022 11:20
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I'm not 100% comfortable with companies buying IPs and then memory-holing them when they decide they're inappropriate (aside from the broad concerns about the history of Art, that's pressure that could just as easily work against me as for me), so I'd honestly rather they'd just set the price to $0.00 or something. On the other hand, all they actually had up was a lovely scan from 2004 anyway, so the loss is comparatively minor. (Lately I've been working on making better scans of a bunch of WoD and Exalted books so I can send them to DTRPG, but it's a long process. Sadly, my scan of Heresies of the Way did not get adopted for some reason, in spite of being a massive improvement. This may have been because I didn't OCR it, but in fairness, attempting to run OCR on a wacky Asian handwriting font on a rice paper background caused my computer to weep blood.)
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Rand Brittain posted:I'm not 100% comfortable with companies buying IPs and then memory-holing them when they decide they're inappropriate (aside from the broad concerns about the history of Art, that's pressure that could just as easily work against me as for me), so I'd honestly rather they'd just set the price to $0.00 or something. Just consider it to be out of print. It’s not that they are erasing it from history, but they don’t need to be printing copies of it anymore either.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:15
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Yeah. There's something to be said for how piracy is ultimately necessary for any form of game preservation in the modern era and how that sucks, but there aren't exactly a lot of game historians buying copies of old racist WoD books for archival purposes.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Yeah. There's something to be said for how piracy is ultimately necessary for any form of game preservation in the modern era and how that sucks, but there aren't exactly a lot of game historians buying copies of old racist WoD books for archival purposes. Pirates are absolutely archivists, some of them are even professionals. I'm a professional librarian and trained as an archivist, and every one of my peers loves piracy. I know it's not cool to talk about piracy in this sub so I won't say much, but I will guarantee you there are game historians preserving copies of old WoD books (not specifically because they are racist, just to have everything). These archives exist, and a book disappearing from drive through rpg is absolutely not an issue for preservation. Library of Congress has a copy of World of Darkness: Ethnic Slur in their archives https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=4064&recCount=25&recPointer=0&bibId=2111967 Rutibex fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Yeah. There's something to be said for how piracy is ultimately necessary for any form of game preservation in the modern era and how that sucks, but there aren't exactly a lot of game historians buying copies of old racist WoD books for archival purposes. I own a copy of the book in question (I don't remember if it's a POD or if I shelled out for an eBay copy) because I'm going to review it at some point and part of why I'm doing the reviews is an archive of sorts. Or at least that's a better reason than "Eh, I gotta justify the money I've spent on this crap" 
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Rutibex posted:Pirates are absolutely archivists, some of them are even professionals. I'm a professional librarian and trained as an archivist, and every one of my peers loves piracy. I know it's not cool to talk about piracy in this sub so I won't say much, but I will guarantee you there are game historians preserving copies of old WoD books (not specifically because they are racist, just to have everything). Just to be clear, I'm 100% pro  . It just sucks because one big company that wants to flex their copyright muscles can ruin the entire system if they ever felt like it.
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Nessus posted:Please ask INjustin Achilles to confirm that Sgt Rage and his Killing Commandos all got to go to Werewolf Heaven and do pushups with Gaia, even if the Get are being written out or ruled 'extant but unplayable/wyrm-raddled' Sgt Rage is welcome into the loving arms of Mama Rat and is biting nazi throats out with all the other Bone Gnawers that enlisted.
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Rand Brittain posted:(Lately I've been working on making better scans of a bunch of WoD and Exalted books so I can send them to DTRPG, but it's a long process. Sadly, my scan of Heresies of the Way did not get adopted for some reason, in spite of being a massive improvement. This may have been because I didn't OCR it, but in fairness, attempting to run OCR on a wacky Asian handwriting font on a rice paper background caused my computer to weep blood.) I'd be really interested if you end up scanning any of the by Night books like New York and Hong Kong, all the ones with the creepy ugly NPC portraits. Just about all of the scans on DTRPG for those are loving terrible.
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TheKingslayer posted:Beckett's Jyhad Diary is a good read that bridges some of the old story to the new. As another lapsed Vampire enjoyer it was nice to catch up with some of the named characters. On top of that, it's a drat fun read
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Fuzz posted:Achilli was in the official discord and made a vague statement about how the future of the WoD is looking forward, not back. If that was true they wouldn't have revived the old world of darkness as the fifth edition lol.
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MonsieurChoc posted:If that was true they wouldn't have revived the old world of darkness as the fifth edition lol. Well he wasn't there for that. Watch 6th Edition rip off NWoD even more blatantly.
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Who was involved in making v:tr? I was checked out of gaming at the time nwod was launched.
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Soonmot posted:Who was involved in making v:tr? I was checked out of gaming at the time nwod was launched. Achilli helped launch nWoD and Requiem 1e, along with many others.
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Kavak posted:Well he wasn't there for that. Watch 6th Edition rip off NWoD even more blatantly. I feel liek the best choice would be a complete reboot, keeping the MAsquerade name but officially jettisoning the continuity (not the weird half-assed way they're doing now) and importing stuff from both gamelines as needed. Want Count loving Dracula and the Chevalier de Thélème in the same setting as Malkav and Lucita? Sure go for it.
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MonsieurChoc posted:If that was true they wouldn't have revived the old world of darkness as the fifth edition lol. They ran out of monster types to make new splat books. Wtf is beast? Come on. MonsieurChoc posted:I feel liek the best choice would be a complete reboot, keeping the MAsquerade name but officially jettisoning the continuity (not the weird half-assed way they're doing now) and importing stuff from both gamelines as needed. Want Count loving Dracula and the Chevalier de Thélème in the same setting as Malkav and Lucita? Sure go for it. I like the way Mage20 handles things. All lore is optional
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