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Kanos posted:Wait, you don't remember getting called queerphobic slurs in TF2 and UO??? Yeah lmao, must have been pretty lucky
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If anything I think the likelihood of getting called slurs in modern multiplayer games is actually *less* than back in those days, since so many games have completely gotten rid of public chat outside of emotes/canned messages for that very reason.
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Aug 12, 2022 23:31
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Or just play with voice chat off. It’s how I can manage to play call of duty in 2022, which is especially impressive because cod vanguard is a steaming pile of poo poo.
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Aug 12, 2022 23:51
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Kanos posted:If anything I think the likelihood of getting called slurs in modern multiplayer games is actually *less* than back in those days, since so many games have completely gotten rid of public chat outside of emotes/canned messages for that very reason. I remember being a mod of infantry online in 2002 and arguing about whether or not the homophobic f word slur was ok or not (it wasn’t a ban at the time). I am glad that in that one instance at least I was on the right side of history. Also remember being on there on 9/11 and the racism that came out that day. I probably wouldn’t play them now because of not being a teenager with too much time on his hands, but I kind of miss games that derived so much of their value from being chat interfaces with something else to do at the same time.
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Aug 13, 2022 00:32
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Kanos posted:Wait, you don't remember getting called queerphobic slurs in TF2 and UO??? It's a weird situation - modern games tend to be less slur-y than games of yore taken as a whole thanks to limitations on chat, word filters, and harsh moderation, but older games had community servers that let you get past that almost entirely. I spent a number of years on a queer counter strike source server and it was fantastic. Regular cs:s servers were cesspits, but if you found a good community, you had a good place to be yourself while gaming. Almost nothing uses community servers now though, it's all automatching poo poo because that's easier to lock down. Now it's just constant low-level bigotry instead of highly variable levels.
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Aug 13, 2022 01:02
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LividLiquid posted:Freelancer Why hasn't this been remade or copied? I loved this game.
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Oldstench posted:Why hasn't this been remade or copied? I loved this game. It's called rebel Galaxy Outlaw.
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Jordan7hm posted:I remember being a mod of infantry online in 2002 and arguing about whether or not the homophobic f word slur was ok or not (it wasn’t a ban at the time). I am glad that in that one instance at least I was on the right side of history. Also remember being on there on 9/11 and the racism that came out that day. Yep Infantry Online, Subspace and even community servers for Counterstrike were good times. I still play Quake Live and most of that aspect is still there cause it’s servers only but yeah matchmaking ruined the feel.
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Social Animal posted:Yep Infantry Online, Subspace and even community servers for Counterstrike were good times. I still play Quake Live and most of that aspect is still there cause it’s servers only but yeah matchmaking ruined the feel. I haven't thought about Infantry Online in years. I was playing on one of those community Subspace servers at the time (one of the Deathstar maps as I recall) and people there told me about the open beta for Infantry Online. Played the heck out of that game for months until it was bought by Sony, at which point I didn't have the time to devote to it any more.
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Aug 13, 2022 02:54
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Oldstench posted:Why hasn't this been remade or copied? I loved this game. Everspace 2 is shaping up to be a decent successor, I only played the demo but I've watched folks play the Early Access version and they've said nice things about it. The original was a roguelite with Freelancer-style space combat, but the sequel is a full-on open space game. Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is a thing too, but from what I can tell it's a lot closer to older flight games like Privateer in its core gameplay. I passed it up because I heard the keyboard and mouse controls were terrible and nothing like Freelancer in that regard. It's probably a nice game though.
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Aug 13, 2022 04:21
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kirbysuperstar posted:Yeah lmao, must have been pretty lucky I feel like I must have gotten lucky with my times with most FPS games. In TF2, the only "bad" thing I got were from music blaring in voice, and in Halo Infinite, I never got any voice during my solo queues aside from asking for the sword or hammer. The only times I can recall getting slurs in a FPS game is in Valorant.
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Aug 13, 2022 07:40
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My space flight game as a kid was Escape Velocity, because my folks had a Mac. Good old Ambrosia Software. The modern -and free!- clone of it is Endless Sky. It hits about 85% of the right buttons for me, but the combat is balanced such that you basically have to have a large fleet of escort ships. And that's not unfun, but my preferred tactics in the original were either high speed strafing runs, or matching the other ship's speed and poking them to death with beam weapons from just outside their range.
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Since we are talking about gaming communities, I feel discord and reddit contributed to killing old school game communities. Back then every game had official or unofficial forums. Nowadays it seems to only be Reddits and Discord channels. It might be me getting old and grumpy, but Reddit and Discord does not give me that old community feel forums did. Reddits are usually chock full of tiresome memes, and discord servers are just an unending stream of messages, any conversation just get lost.
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GyverMac posted:Since we are talking about gaming communities, I feel discord and reddit contributed to killing old school game communities. Back then every game had official or unofficial forums. Nowadays it seems to only be Reddits and Discord channels. It might be me getting old and grumpy, but Reddit and Discord does not give me that old community feel forums did. Reddits are usually chock full of tiresome memes, and discord servers are just an unending stream of messages, any conversation just get lost. Chris, from GGG? Is that you?
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yeah discord in particular is really bad because it removes info from the public internet, but it's a natural reaction after poo poo like fandom showed up and started monetizing people's volunteer work gardening wikis and forums reddit & discord both have community events and stuff, it's just all the type of communication that happens on a forum like this is more temporal
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Aug 13, 2022 18:16
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Using Wikia/Fandom is a rancid experience. Especially on mobile, where ads/embeds can take up half the screen
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also google shoves them to highest relevance, even above official dedicated wikis
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It should be extremely illegal to auto-play loving Twitch streams that are embedded into every possible page of a wiki.
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Mad Wack posted:yeah discord in particular is really bad because it removes info from the public internet, but it's a natural reaction after poo poo like fandom showed up and started monetizing people's volunteer work gardening wikis and forums this bugs me more than it probably should. Maybe it partly symbolizes the altruism of early internet efforts being turned into a) something someone can squeeze a buck out of, b) bland and flavorless mush, c) something that'll disappear the moment it becomes unprofitable and d) an advertising beachhead. Fandom is one of the very few sites I have to use uBlock Origin to excise entire portions of the page on a semi-regular basis. I don't use Discord at all, but it makes sense as a sort of retreat from the colonized internet. Total illusion there, I'm guessing, unless there's a reliable way to archive, export, and organize content from it. Or, the expectation of permanence (or the desire for it) is an outdated idea for the current gen of internet users. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 20:32
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Tunicate posted:also google shoves them to highest relevance, even above official dedicated wikis I find this a bit suspicious. It's also laughable that, compared to the other robotically generated info-vacuum pages that filter to the tops of searches, Fandom will sometimes contain usable information, so maybe Google's algorithm is making the right choice. Not gaming related, but I did a search for bird diet information and got multiple conflicting information from several generated sites before finding one composed by a human, wayyy down the page.
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Aug 13, 2022 20:35
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Fandom/Wikia did a lot of search engine manipulation & "optimization" to make sure they were always listed above their competitors. Gamepedia, for example, which did have ads but was saintly compared to the aggressive and unwholesome business practices of Fandom, would 100% of the time be listed after the Fandom results. Unsurprisingly, Wikia/Fandom bought them out a few years ago, then immediately rehosted all the content in their own awful format. You still see this happen, for example if you need information on Bethesda games the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages wiki is terrific, thorough, and a product of complete fan dedication; but it will always be outlisted by the Wikia results that come first. I don't mind Discord as much, because I see it less as a replacement for forums and more as modern IRC. I hate that it's centralized and subject to arbitrary control mechanisms with opaque moderation and data collection policies like all other social media (and the guy who created the company has had other companies that have been in hot water for illegal data harvesting) but the thing that Discord killed isn't forums, it's a different platform. At least Discord does make some meaningful improvements over IRC, though it's at the cost of running like garbage.
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The problem with Discord is that it is widely being used as a replacement for forums despite not being a replacement for forums.
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Yeah I hate discord way more than I hate fandom. If the info for a game is up on fandom at least it's still visible and searchable on the public internet even if you have to block a bunch of lovely ads. If it's all in discord, you can't see it and won't even know it's there until you join the specific discord server. Nothing worse than looking up info on a game and finding results that say poo poo like "there's a really great guide in this discord, i'll link it for you!"
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Discord does have threads now, so you can talk about specific topics, but I'm just part of too many discords that I only use two, one with a group of friends, and one with my other friend. Discords get started about specific games or topics, and then try to turn into general communities and I don't have time to keep up with all of that. It was easier when I was a teen and had all kinds of time to spend on three different forums.
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Ultimately, the problem is that modern social media killed the existing forum hosting systems as something most people will interact with. Discord was only really designed with the community aspects of forums/IRC in mind, so it was kind of hosed when people started using it for the information-retention uses of forums too. Hopefully forum channels get released to the public soon.
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forum channels still suck rear end unless they're search indexable and publicly visible without an account/phonenumber/invite code
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also, if you want to be in more then 100 discords you must pay them money... i discovered this joining every game and mod discord exactly to get at that info
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doctorfrog posted:I find this a bit suspicious. It's also laughable that, compared to the other robotically generated info-vacuum pages that filter to the tops of searches, Fandom will sometimes contain usable information, so maybe Google's algorithm is making the right choice. https://www.aiweirdness.com/baltimore-orioles-effect/
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John Murdoch posted:It should be extremely illegal to auto-play loving Twitch streams that are embedded into every possible page of a wiki. loving Fextralife
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aniviron posted:Fandom/Wikia did a lot of search engine manipulation & "optimization" to make sure they were always listed above their competitors. Gamepedia, for example, which did have ads but was saintly compared to the aggressive and unwholesome business practices of Fandom, would 100% of the time be listed after the Fandom results. Unsurprisingly, Wikia/Fandom bought them out a few years ago, then immediately rehosted all the content in their own awful format. You still see this happen, for example if you need information on Bethesda games the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages wiki is terrific, thorough, and a product of complete fan dedication; but it will always be outlisted by the Wikia results that come first. They did that with the Magic the Gathering wiki. The good one was in gamepedia, and now it's straight up gone. Don't think it was integrated, just wikia's poo poo one overwrote it.
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the Internet is bad and only getting worse, click here to find out how
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treat posted:the Internet is bad and only getting worse, click here to find out how You know what? Checks out.
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treat posted:the Internet is bad and only getting worse, click here to find out how I don't mind, the internet was making me stupid anyway.
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Kanos posted:Wait, you don't remember getting called queerphobic slurs in TF2 and UO??? It changes some poo poo.
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treat posted:the Internet is bad and only getting worse, click here to find out how i clicked this but all i saw was cat pics and random restaurant bot
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John Murdoch posted:It should be extremely illegal to auto-play loving Twitch streams that are embedded into every possible page of a wiki. If you've got ublock origin, you can drop either of these into your "My Filters": 1: block ALL twitch embeds anywhere: code:code: to figure out a cosmetic rule to expand the actual content back across where the sidebar was.
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Fextrafile and fandom are both utter garbage as wikis
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ilmucche posted:Fextrafile and fandom are both utter garbage as wikis both of those also sound like BDSM/Kink sites.
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Large Testicles posted:both of those also sound like BDSM/Kink sites.
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They are, if your kink is rambling, extremely thorough, yet somehow still inaccurate walkthroughs
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