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Mooseontheloose posted:Ed Robertson of Barenaked Ladies solved the orange rhyme problem years ago: That was because of the 90s hippie retro surge. There were hippie holdovers through the late 70's and 80's, but they'd really faded from mainstream attention. Kind of like guys still dressing like 50s greasers in the 70s. Think the resurgence of jam bands with hordes of patchouli scented fans following them from town to town, heroin coming back after the go get 'em 70's & 80's cocaine binge, resurgence of eco concerns, and literal hippie clothing fashions returning.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Got bad news about the owners of every business in existence Yeah, but it's one thing to 'know' and another thing to "know"
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MrUnderbridge posted:That was because of the 90s hippie retro surge. There were hippie holdovers through the late 70's and 80's, but they'd really faded from mainstream attention.
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Aug 14, 2022 02:31
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Hippiedom grew out of an opposition to an establishment that was defined by the Military Industrial Complex and “better living through chemistry” so bound up with the dislike of racism and militarism there was a distrust of any authority and the popular narrative of scientific (industrial) progress. Obviously there’s no unified front among the 60s counterculture but there was a “let’s all live like the Indians” wing and a “go back to The Earth” movement which was also reflected in a distrust of things like modern medicine, pastoralism which is why you see things like Renaissance Faires and J.R.R. Tolkien getting very weird fan letters, and an anarchism which easily curdled into libertarianism. (Also the Jesus freaks.)
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Aug 14, 2022 03:22
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It’s easy to confuse contempt for the establishment with contempt for expertise, and oops now you’re against vaccines and public schools.
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Aug 14, 2022 03:30
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They didn't, however, seem to have any real issue with misogyny
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Aug 14, 2022 03:30
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There’s that same characteristic confusion where rejecting a midcentury establishment meant refusing prudishness and rigid monogamy, so you end up thinking women should dress all sexy and have lots of sex with you, but you never think any more carefully about it than that.
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Aug 14, 2022 03:33
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Add the normalization of contraceptives and abortions for maybe the first time, and poo poo got crazy
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Aug 14, 2022 04:10
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And they had a few decades to do it before AIDS.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:12
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I still reckon boomers are still mad that they have to pretend they were hippies for their kids to not think they were incredibly lame.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:33
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Ellie Crabcakes posted:They didn't, however, seem to have any real issue with misogyny They totally did.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:35
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I AM GRANDO posted:It’s easy to confuse contempt for the establishment with contempt for expertise, and oops now you’re against vaccines and public schools. i like this post and how it distills so much into one sentence.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:03
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2nd Amendment posted:They totally did.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:29
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Been said elsewhere and possibly itt that contrarianism without being grounded in a specific ideology means you tend to end up on the far right eventually.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:29
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I AM GRANDO posted:There’s that same characteristic confusion where rejecting a midcentury establishment meant refusing prudishness and rigid monogamy, so you end up thinking women should dress all sexy and have lots of sex with you, but you never think any more carefully about it than that. Ghost Leviathan posted:Been said elsewhere and possibly itt that contrarianism without being grounded in a specific ideology means you tend to end up on the far right eventually. Ellie Crabcakes has a new favorite as of 05:43 on Aug 14, 2022 |
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Aug 14, 2022 05:39
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Ellie Crabcakes posted:They didn't, however, seem to have any real issue with misogyny Wait, do you mean that hippies weren’t really misogynistic (misogyny wasn’t an issue with the hippies), or that they were (hippies did not take issue with misogyny)? The grammar is ambiguous and I don’t know if I took it the right way.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:42
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I AM GRANDO posted:Wait, do you mean that hippies weren’t really misogynistic (misogyny wasn’t an issue with the hippies), or that they were (hippies did not take issue with misogyny)? The grammar is ambiguous and I don’t know if I took it the right way.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:45
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Ellie Crabcakes posted:Okay yeah it is a bit? I meant specifically that they didn't take issue and in fact quite enthusiastically engaged in it with very few exceptions Ok—that’s what I thought you meant, but some replies seem to have taken the opposite sense. Hippies were sexist as hell, everybody. Just look at the tv and movies they made that have been posted in this thread.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:47
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I AM GRANDO posted:Ok—that’s what I thought you meant, but some replies seem to have taken the opposite sense. Yeah, I took the opposite meaning. Hippies were sexist as hell. Thank you for clarifying.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:55
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2nd Amendment posted:Yeah, I took the opposite meaning. Hippies were sexist as hell. Thank you for clarifying.
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Aug 14, 2022 05:57
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It's all good. We lose a lot of nuance over text. Mods know I've been probed more than once for people misunderstanding my tone. It happens, part of the medium. I'm glad you are sane and good.
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Aug 14, 2022 06:04
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2nd Amendment posted:It's all good. We lose a lot of nuance over text. Mods know I've been probed more than once for people misunderstanding my tone. It happens, part of the medium. wait people misunderstand the tone of the 2nd amendment? do you mean that it was just a misreading i get to own a tank? answer carefully
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Arivia posted:wait people misunderstand the tone of the 2nd amendment? do you mean that it was just a misreading i get to own a tank? answer carefully The 2nd Amendment is clear and everyone should be able to own private nukes if they can afford them just like our smuggler Founding Fathers could afford merchantmen armed with canon. But the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to enable slave patrols to recapture runaways. So the more localized "Zimmerman-Rittenhouse" application of the 2nd Amendment is also in keeping with the vision of our Founding Fathers. Whether that is a good or bad thing, I leave to your own discretion but good or bad it is the law of our land rightly founded.
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Aug 14, 2022 06:15
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2nd Amendment posted:The 2nd Amendment is clear and everyone should be able to own private nukes if they can afford them just like our smuggler Founding Fathers could afford merchantmen armed with canon. But the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to enable slave patrols to recapture runaways. So the more localized "Zimmerman-Rittenhouse" application of the 2nd Amendment is also in keeping with the vision of our Founding Fathers. Whether that is a good or bad thing, I leave to your own discretion but good or bad it is the law of our land rightly founded. 
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2nd Amendment posted:I'm glad you are sane
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Aug 14, 2022 06:21
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Ellie Crabcakes posted:Oh that I definitely am not Grading on a curve my sibling in stairs. We're defending Killdozer as an American icon in this thread, so I figure most people are beyond broken in some or many degrees.
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Aug 14, 2022 06:23
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2nd Amendment posted:The 2nd Amendment is clear and everyone should be able to own private nukes if they can afford them just like our smuggler Founding Fathers could afford merchantmen armed with canon. But the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to enable slave patrols to recapture runaways. So the more localized "Zimmerman-Rittenhouse" application of the 2nd Amendment is also in keeping with the vision of our Founding Fathers. Whether that is a good or bad thing, I leave to your own discretion but good or bad it is the law of our land rightly founded. Hey now, it's also to make it easier for white people to exterminate Native Americans.
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Aug 14, 2022 09:11
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2nd Amendment posted:Yeah, I took the opposite meaning. Hippies were sexist as hell. Thank you for clarifying. Hippies, and people in general, were all over the place by todays ideology, but yeah , "The only position for women in SNCC is prone."
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Aug 14, 2022 12:14
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A shitload of stereotypical hippies are pretty much just 60s/70s frat boys with a different aesthetic.
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Buncha dudes simpin' for Ginsberg & Leary like they're Musk Daddy or Jorp
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rydiafan posted:Just a city boy.  I know goons aren't great at poetry, but assonance is a poetic form that exists. It's still kinda whack tho; gimme that East Coast hiphop any day ninja edit: I watched the infamous 1971 film The Devils the other day, and it's kinda mid compared to the Aldous Huxley book it's based on, trading heavily on the shock value of nudity and blasphemy when Huxley is much more interested in the social environment (also the shock value doesn't hit as hard in a post-Goatse world). It's also kinda homophobic (Huxley mentions that Louis XIII was probably gay and the film opens with him performing in drag and generally acting like a mincing caricature; the antagonists are a bunch of effete beta males and the protagonist Grandier is a mustachioed manly man) and sectarian (the film implies that Grandier is a crypto-Protestant while Huxley's depiction is a hypocritical philanderer). Huxley's The Devils of Loudun has a couple faults too, mostly Huxley falling for pseudoscience like parapsychology and Margaret Murray's witch-cult hypothesis. I presume contrary evidence wasn't as available back in the 1940's and those mistakes don't ruin the book. CHIMlord has a new favorite as of 15:51 on Aug 14, 2022 |
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South detroit is in canada
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 Speaking of hippies,Ridiculous movie from 1970 wherein satanic hippies get rabies and take out a small town
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the_steve posted:Not gonna lie, that realization was a bit of a shock to me. It makes perfect sense when you realise hippies are and were only interested in their own hedonistic pleasure. Neoliberalism is just the hippies and the old-school conservatives realising the only thing they really disagree on is how many Grateful Dead bootlegs you should own.
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Ambitious Spider posted:
I prefer the modern update, Mandy
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Hey now, it's also to make it easier for white people to exterminate Native Americans. Of course. And to protect white Americans from swarthy invaders like the Irish who can never fully integrate or adopt our values. They will never be able to understand private property so we need to enforce our ownership.
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I AM GRANDO posted:There’s that same characteristic confusion where rejecting a midcentury establishment meant refusing prudishness and rigid monogamy, so you end up thinking women should dress all sexy and have lots of sex with you, but you never think any more carefully about it than that. That's not entirely true. Given how many sex cults came out of the Hippie movement, lots of dudes thought about "How do I use this free love thing to make a harem." And good lord did so many dudes go that exact route.
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Thomamelas posted:That's not entirely true. Given how many sex cults came out of the Hippie movement, lots of dudes thought about "How do I use this free love thing to make a harem." And good lord did so many dudes go that exact route. Given how many conservative religious communes turn into sex cults I don't honestly think this has much to do with the hippie movement in general, and has more to do with what happens when a cult of personality imbues a particular person with absolute authority. Eventually it will occur to that person that they can gently caress whoever they want in the group without consequences, and at that point its merely a matter of how long until they do it.
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2nd Amendment posted:Of course. And to protect white Americans from swarthy invaders like the Irish who can never fully integrate or adopt our values. They will never be able to understand private property so we need to enforce our ownership. Landowners never know when the urban horde might come (Irish, Italian, Black, Chinese, whoever).
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sweet geek swag posted:Given how many conservative religious communes turn into sex cults I don't honestly think this has much to do with the hippie movement in general, and has more to do with what happens when a cult of personality imbues a particular person with absolute authority. Eventually it will occur to that person that they can gently caress whoever they want in the group without consequences, and at that point its merely a matter of how long until they do it. Speaking of which, are the Children of God cult still around? I remember hearing how Joaquin and River Phoenix had been members, and Winona Ryder too. Did it have many ties to hollywood, or was that just a coincidence?
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