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MJeff posted:imo the booker should try to book well, instead of poorly. Sounds dumb
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MJeff posted:I wanna know how having his twitter account heavy airquotes "suspended " is risking his life. Well you see this weekend his friends/sock puppets were claiming he left twitter to avoid all the death threats. But now he was suspended.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah this is honestly way funnier thing going on than another lonely mentally ill dude who's only treatment is a Twitter account.
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History Comes Inside! posted:Sounds dumb People though Tony Khan was a goon but it was Vince all along
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah this is honestly way funnier thing going on than another lonely mentally ill dude who's only treatment is a Twitter account. Par for the course along with Nazis and Confederate sympathizers. In fascism the enemy is all powerful but also weak
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah this is honestly way funnier thing going on than another lonely mentally ill dude who's only treatment is a Twitter account. Say what you want about cat boys, they never lost any wars.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Say what you want about cat boys, they never lost any wars. Shunma just lost a battle royal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m90HvUp01Gc The first four minutes of this are spectacular.
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https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1559365149625950208?s=21&t=cluFsDZgl0kZJ2jBsO3Wmg what longer matches on raw does to a mf
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in the late 90s they snuck the noun creative into wrestling forever. it's a dumb word. it's not "from television" like they want you to think either. they just thought it sounded like that
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JUNGLE BOY posted:https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1559365149625950208?s=21&t=cluFsDZgl0kZJ2jBsO3Wmg I mean, Triple H was in charge of NXT creative 5 years ago, so seems likely?
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah this is honestly way funnier thing going on than another lonely mentally ill dude who's only treatment is a Twitter account. The US for a variety of reasons you can go to school and study about decided to Nuke Japan. It’s like a black eye at a bus stop deal. Henare carrying water for it is funny on a variety of levels. Normal people ask to go home so idk what is going on over at NJPW.
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https://twitter.com/Dego419/status/1559366333631979522 im sure that cm punk, who was pissed he was never going to main event wrestlemania, would have loved being the star of loving nxt lol
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JUNGLE BOY posted:https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1559365149625950208?s=21&t=cluFsDZgl0kZJ2jBsO3Wmg what were the Elite asking for from WWE when they turned down their offered contracts from Vince and made AEW?
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im kinda amazed at how quickly vince, who was just a few weeks ago the singular booking genius who alone could run wwe, has been memory holed.
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KungFu Grip posted:what were the Elite asking for from WWE when they turned down their offered contracts from Vince and made AEW? I don’t think the bucks were willing to scrap everything they’ve built nor trust WWE to supply them with compensation equal to what they estimated their worth to be.
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Cagematch ratings are low-hanging fruit, but just lol at a dude I happened across who gave PAC, Ospreay, and Sami Zayn each a 1.0, Braun Strowman a 9.0, and HHH & Hogan each a 10.
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MassRafTer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m90HvUp01Gc I didn't spot it before but I'm getting big Butterfield vibes from him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6s994jOFuY Hell, even just loading the vids up and not letting them play and they look kinda similar.
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Ringo Roadagain posted:im sure that cm punk, who was pissed he was never going to main event wrestlemania, would have loved being the star of loving nxt lol Punk does not seem to my impression a big 'forgive and forget' type of guy either.
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HHH is the guy who failed to sign the Elite to WWE in 2018 after literally promising he would do it on live television for crying out loud.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1559365149625950208?s=21&t=cluFsDZgl0kZJ2jBsO3Wmg It's probably around, but I wonder how different it looks. There's a lot of big time players in AEW that HHH brought into the company
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It's actually an interesting question. Would Cody have left WWE if Triple Paul was on creative? Possibly - he doesn't seem like a Triple Paul guy, but maybe I'm wrong. If Cody doesn't leave, do we see All In or something similar? Probably not. If we don't see All In does TK still decide to partner with Kenny and the Bucks to start a new promotion? Probably not. I think it hinges on if Cody thinks he can be elevated under Triple Paul or if he needs to go off and do his own thing for awhile like he ended up doing. If he does go then yeah, I see AEW still existing, but as noted above, probably looks a lot different than it does now. Satin is not asking this in good faith, of course.
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There still would have been a lot of money to be made on a TV deal for a second company, there would still be way too many talented wrestlers for WWE to fit on TV and WWE would still have a non unlimited budget for talent The only way AEW wouldn’t exist in some fashion is if Paul Triple H hosed up the TV deals before 2018 and didn’t have multiple bidders driving up their TV rights to billions of dollars JUNGLE BOY fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Wasn't Triple H the guy Cody talked to and realized there was no upward mobility in the company? No matter what he says about HHH now he had a chip on his shoulder about HHH for a few years.
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Tony is on record that Omega/Jericho at WK12 was the catalyst for him to want to start a wrestling company. People bring up The Cody Tweet and All In all the time but tend to downplay Jericho's role and by extension, Kenny's, since Jericho left WWE to work with Kenny.
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Jericho really did make his mark in history as a big time player by leaving WWE and being the catalyst for the first major American Wrestling Company to do really well in decades. But that could be ignorant of me. I know TNA was around back in the day, and it made decent ratings but it never felt as big time as AEW does. But that could be bias.
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Shard posted:Jericho really did make his mark in history as a big time player by leaving WWE and being the catalyst for the first major American Wrestling Company to do really well in decades. But that could be ignorant of me. I know TNA was around back in the day, and it made decent ratings but it never felt as big time as AEW does. But that could be bias. TNA had more viewers due to there being more cable viewers but was never able to tour and it's biggest PPV number is smaller than AEW's smallest. AEW has a much more engaged fanbase where TNA for most people was a thing that was on TV they'd sort of pay attention to.
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Endless Mike posted:It's actually an interesting question. Would Cody have left WWE if Triple Paul was on creative? Possibly - he doesn't seem like a Triple Paul guy, but maybe I'm wrong. If Cody doesn't leave, do we see All In or something similar? Probably not. If we don't see All In does TK still decide to partner with Kenny and the Bucks to start a new promotion? Probably not. All In wasnt what led to AEW, it was Jericho vs. Omega at WK12. He had already decided to do a wrestling company by the time All In was happening. But also yes Cody would have still left and All In still would have happened.
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AEW is bigger than TNA ever was just by the fans they draw to arenas all around. I liked TNA back in the days but it always was a studio show and when Hogan tried to do a Monday Night war vs Raw I was already stopping watching it because... Hogan (and Dixie Carter of course).
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It’s more unlikely that AEW would exist with Vince in charge vs HHH, given Vince’s track record of maintaining a monopoly. Also, I get that the WWE Universe is riding high right now because the matches are longer and the commentators are saying less buzzwords for 3 weeks, but there is zero evidence that HHH (who experienced heart failure last year) can sustain good booking across 7 hours of television for multiple years that would leave all of the wrestlers and fans satisfied. In the past HHH even said his NXT style booking wouldn’t work on the main roster. His main roster changes are clearly reactive to what AEW did to win over its audience, so if there’s no AEW there’s even more reason to believe that the main roster TV wouldn’t be all that different today
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I've never been a fan of the Great Men view of history. Sure, Tony saw Omega vs Jericho and it opened his eyes about a wrestling company, but I feel like the bigger driver was simply that there were a growing number of people who were wrestling fans without being WWE fans. The increased visibility of New Japan and the increased willingness of Western fans to spend money on it were there regardless of whether Tony Khan got bit by the promoter bug. Having a combined money man, CEO, and booker helped, and things would look very different without Khan, but they would be as different from the 2016 wrestling landscape as we are.
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This is of course, insane to entertain in good faith, because with these people 8 weeks ago there was nothing wrong with WWE, and a year ago it was good that HHH lost control of NXT because he wasn’t creating main roster stars
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HHH is the one who told Cody that they only saw value in Stardust,band not Cody Rhodes
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I'd say it still gets made, and you still get guys like Mox and Bryan jumping ship just because they feel constrained by creative and the WWE style. So I'd imagine it would still be pretty successful, there's just a chance you're losing some of your really big acts like FTR, MIro, TUE, Keith, Swerve, Cesaro
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The never-ending Discourse respects shifts in momentum more than consistent quality. This is why the average Raw bumping from a D+ average to a C+ average has people running wild with praise, while the occasional B- Dynamite brings out the doomposting. Triple H pushes his favorites just as much Vince did (exhibit A: Karrion Kross), no way he could've kept everyone happy. Even if he was the best booker ever, I don't think you could keep hold of everyone, not with the amount of talent there is in wrestling these days. The budget cuts might have looked different, but a publicly traded company needs to keep growing indefinitely, they couldn't have paid everyone. Tony Khan could've overpaid some upper midcard guys if that's what it took to fill out his roster.
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Lamuella posted:I've never been a fan of the Great Men view of history. Sure, Tony saw Omega vs Jericho and it opened his eyes about a wrestling company, but I feel like the bigger driver was simply that there were a growing number of people who were wrestling fans without being WWE fans. The increased visibility of New Japan and the increased willingness of Western fans to spend money on it were there regardless of whether Tony Khan got bit by the promoter bug. I think you're making the same point on this one. Omega vs. Jericho and the amount of western fans who both flew in for the show and who were watching/discussing it online showed a potential audience outside of WWE.
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Somebody hit me with Emmitt Till in a conversation about Vince and his allegations. These people truly have no shame!
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