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JesusSinfulHands posted:I've always imagined that in the completely unrealistic scenario where Animorphs ever got a Game of Thrones level TV adaptation, it would be around 6 seasons, with a slow and leisurely, character-building adaptation of most of the first 26 books or so, while skipping obvious filler like 14 with the Yeerk-infested horses or 25 with the adventure to the North Pole. After that a ton of filler books in the 30s and 40s could be skipped, not skipping the important Aftran/Yeerk Peace Movement stuff, everything with Marco and his mom, and the Tobias & Taylor stuff. Then nearly everything from 45 onward is basically an entire big-budget last season on its own...actually 45 would be a great episode to end the previous season on. Don’t diss book 14 it’s hilarious when you’re 9. Alien toilets! Theme parks! It’s great as a lighter Yeerk-plot-of-the-week episode.
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# ? Aug 12, 2022 07:23 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:14 |
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I think I'd do three seasons. Season 1 is setup, meeting Elfangor, learning to morph etc. It would end with the plot of book 7 where they meet the Ellimist and destroy the Kandrona, but I'd shuffle things around so they meet Ax and Eric first. So that would be a mostly triumphant arc where they gain confidence and overcome fear. Season 2 would be darker, where they're really struggling and also getting back story for the different races. You'd have the Hork Bajir / Alloran back story revealed by Toby, see the Andalite traitor on Leera, Tobias gets captured, Cassie meets the Yeerk resistance. The would end with the aircraft carrier fight and Ax's decision. Third season starts with Marco blowing his cover and goes through the final arc. Also full length feature films for each of the Chronicles books.
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# ? Aug 12, 2022 14:09 |
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I think you could just leave out the Ellimist entirely, and probably the Chee too. They provide way too many outs for the Animorphs to get away with. Or if there must be Chee, Erek should be the only one they ever meet and he gives the Animorphs a lead on where the Kandrona machine in the hotel tower instead of the Ellimist. Excluding the Ellimist means that Tobias is permanently stuck as a hawk, so either we need another reason for him to regain his morphing ability or just accept that he's a nothlit forever. Star Man fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Aug 12, 2022 |
# ? Aug 12, 2022 17:07 |
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Removing the Ellimist isn't a good idea imo. It has too many knock-on effects and completely sidelines Tobias for the series. It also removes a ton of the more interesting conflicts he has with being Elfangor's son, the Hawk vs Human stuff and the plots of his last 4 books which are all highlights of the series. Like what do you even do with a theoretical nothlit Tobias after the initial horror and first 'Hawk v Man' we cover in book 3? It does make things a bit weirder and more complicated, but the series as a whole does a lot of weird and experimental things. Adapting it should keep at least some of that intact.
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# ? Aug 12, 2022 18:31 |
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Zore posted:Removing the Ellimist isn't a good idea imo. It has too many knock-on effects and completely sidelines Tobias for the series. It also removes a ton of the more interesting conflicts he has with being Elfangor's son, the Hawk vs Human stuff and the plots of his last 4 books which are all highlights of the series. Like what do you even do with a theoretical nothlit Tobias after the initial horror and first 'Hawk v Man' we cover in book 3? The way you get around that, just for the sake of argument, is to either have Tobias stay human for far longer and become a nothlit as the hammer to either season 1 or season 2's ending. And/or establish some kind of Andalite Science sort-of cure for nothlit-ism that works the same way the Ellimist's deal does: restoration of morphing abilities with the nothlit form becoming default, and the ability to resume one's original form as a morph, but if you nothlit yourself twice in the name of permanently becoming your old self again, that's it, there's no fixing that. An Ellimist-less hypothetical TV show could work, you just need the right sort of creative mind to pull it off and make sure all the threads don't unravel, because there's a LOT of them.
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# ? Aug 12, 2022 18:48 |
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Nah. Nah. At it's core, Animorphs is a fuckin' weird series, and removing the Ellimist from the plot loses a lot of that unique weirdness from the story. The Ellimist stays and that's that.
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# ? Aug 13, 2022 01:08 |
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Chapter 19 - Isaiah Fitzhenryquote:Dusk, and still no sign of Forrest’s forces. Isaiah, having cheery thoughts of the battle ahead, Chapter 20-Jake quote:We started to demorph. Based on their current position, the Yeerks had chosen to attack at dawn. It was showtime. Jake also having cheerful thoughts of the battle ahead.
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# ? Aug 13, 2022 02:57 |
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Sorry about yesterday. I had a fever and needed to sleep. Chapter 21 quote:Near silence. The light from the sun grew brighter. A gray mist rose off the earth. Hey, it's Visser One's first morph in the series. Chapter 22 - Isaiah Fitzhenry quote:Christmas morning. Tactical retreat to try to throw off the army?
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The Yeerks really need to get a Dracon machine gun
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 06:47 |
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kiminewt posted:The Yeerks really need to get a Dracon machine gun Can't you just... hold down the trigger?
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 06:59 |
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nine-gear crow posted:The way you get around that, just for the sake of argument, is to either have Tobias stay human for far longer and become a nothlit as the hammer to either season 1 or season 2's ending. In retrospect I get why they did it the way they did, but it would also have been interesting to see Tobias remain human throughout books 1-3 but show a disinterest into morphing anything but hawk and a troubling fascination with pushing the morphing time limit to the brink, and then he gets stuck as nothlit at the end of 3 and it underscores the others' suspicion that maybe he did it half-deliberately. And while we're armchair re-storyboarding the books: the concept of this one, with some pretty serious plot beats like the battle for the free Hork Bajir and the first revelation of their human identities to ordinary civilians (who I don't remember but suspect are about to get killed) and the friction over Ax's decision and the presence of Marco's parents*, all feels like it looked good on a storyboard or in basic notes provided to the ghostwriter but would have been a lot better coming directly from the Applegates. Or even, maybe, being a Megamorphs book with more room to breathe. *also lol at Marco's dad apparently not being on a first-name or even any-name basis with anyone, let alone Jake
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 10:22 |
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freebooter posted:with more room to breathe Is the brevity of these books (compared with, say, even the shortest Harry Potter volume) a product of scholastic wanting to churn stuff out on a monthly basis? Or was it just assumed that kids would never read anything of more than a hundred pages?
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 10:45 |
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I know I'm being that guy, but... You don't storyboard a book.
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 13:16 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Is the brevity of these books (compared with, say, even the shortest Harry Potter volume) a product of scholastic wanting to churn stuff out on a monthly basis? Or was it just assumed that kids would never read anything of more than a hundred pages? Combination of both. Scholastic wanted to get these out fast, but at the same time, recommendations for length for middle school literature is that they should be between 70-150 manuscript pages (which is different from published pages)
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 15:44 |
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Star Man posted:I know I'm being that guy, but... You know what I mean - for lack of a better term.
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 21:22 |
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freebooter posted:You know what I mean - for lack of a better term. An outline
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# ? Aug 15, 2022 21:56 |
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Chapter 23quote:The rain came in a torrent now, turning the works to mud. Everybody bleeds the same color, at least. Chapter 24-Jake quote:The retreating Hork-Bajir-Controllers stopped just beyond the range of our spears. Turned. Aimed their Dracon beams at the trees and picked off one free Hork-Bajir at a time. Well, that's the series everybody. Jake's dead. Didn't really think it would end that way, but... Oh, there are still two more chapters in the book. Ok.
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# ? Aug 16, 2022 03:41 |
I can't help but feel like they would have done better against Forrest if he'd actually loving fought instead of standing there writing like a maniac. Still, points for recording his own death, I admire that kind of single-mindedness.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I can't help but feel like they would have done better against Forrest if he'd actually loving fought instead of standing there writing like a maniac. Still, points for recording his own death, I admire that kind of single-mindedness. <Confederate cavalryman levels his carbine> Isaiah: Could you hold on a second? I'm just finishing this paragraph. Confederate: Look Yankee, it's Christmas morning, I really want to get this over with so I can go back to camp and celebrate. Captain got his hands on some hams Isaiah: I just have one more sentence. Confederate: You're lucky I respect diarists for providing a record to future generations of historians...
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I can't help but feel like they would have done better against Forrest if he'd actually loving fought instead of standing there writing like a maniac. Still, points for recording his own death, I admire that kind of single-mindedness. Yeah, I was going to say. A lot of his chapters felt way too novelistic, describing things that no one actually in the scene would say, not to mention failing to capture the voice of a Union commander; it's almost as if it was written in third person and then someone went through and changed all the pronouns just before publication. But that bit took the cake.
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# ? Aug 16, 2022 04:42 |
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Lovecraft was the all-time champion for having his first-person narrators awkwardly describe their own doom. "Good Lord! It is Coming through the Window! I dare not Describe its Monstrous Form! Oh No---"
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# ? Aug 16, 2022 04:47 |
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Star Man posted:An outline I dunno, when I write I think of it as a storyboard because I can shuffle key scenes around chronologically if need be But anyway yeah lol at the idea of Ancestor Jake lying there shakily scribbling in his diary while bleeding out
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# ? Aug 16, 2022 08:26 |
"Perhaps he was dictating-" "Oh, shut up!"
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Tree Bucket posted:Lovecraft was the all-time champion for having his first-person narrators awkwardly describe their own doom. "Good Lord! It is Coming through the Window! I dare not Describe its Monstrous Form! Oh No---" he who is valiant, and pure of spirit, may find the holy grail in the castle of Auuuuugggghhhh
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Mazerunner posted:he who is valiant, and pure of spirit, may find the holy grail in the castle of Auuuuugggghhhh Indiana Jones and the Castle of Auuuuugggghhhh coming soon from LucasFilm!
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Just to give you an idea about where we are with Animorphs and the schedule going forward. We have two more chapters in this book. They'll be added tomorrow, around 10 pm eastern time. (To give you an idea for people in other time zones, it's about 10:15 pm eastern here now). I'm then going to take off a few days....there will be no new Animorphs until Sunday the 21st. The reason for this is that I have a bunch of personal stuff going on, both work and medical (For instance, I have about 7 hours of work meetings on Thursday), and I just need a little bit of time to rest and recuperate,. and we all know that weekends tend to be fairly slow in this thread anyway. On Sunday the 21st, we're going to start the last of the Chronicles Books, the Elimist Chronicles. After that book, we have 7 more books in the series. I just wanted to give you a heads up so that if you didn't see new Animorphs after tomorrow for a few days, you wouldn't think I abandoned you. Obviously, continue talking about the books, for those who haven't read them before, how do you think this thing is going to end? The thread works when we talk about it, and I'll just say it's been an honor so far to be able to talk about Animorphs with you, and I hope this will continue as we wind our way to the end.
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# ? Aug 17, 2022 03:29 |
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The Ellimist Chronicles is really, really good. Looking forward to that one.
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# ? Aug 17, 2022 04:05 |
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The Ellimist Chronicles is probably my favorite in the series. It's the only book of it I still own.
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# ? Aug 17, 2022 04:08 |
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I never read the Ellimist Chronicles, but the other Chronicles books were great and I am curious to have more background on our knockoff Q.
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# ? Aug 17, 2022 04:38 |
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Epicurius posted:Just to give you an idea about where we are with Animorphs and the schedule going forward. We have two more chapters in this book. They'll be added tomorrow, around 10 pm eastern time. (To give you an idea for people in other time zones, it's about 10:15 pm eastern here now). I'm then going to take off a few days....there will be no new Animorphs until Sunday the 21st. The reason for this is that I have a bunch of personal stuff going on, both work and medical (For instance, I have about 7 hours of work meetings on Thursday), and I just need a little bit of time to rest and recuperate,. and we all know that weekends tend to be fairly slow in this thread anyway. On Sunday the 21st, we're going to start the last of the Chronicles Books, the Elimist Chronicles. After that book, we have 7 more books in the series. I've also really enjoyed revisiting this and talking about it with everyone, and want to thank you again for doing this over the last few years, and wish you the best with your health. Re: Ellimist Chronicles, I remember it as being one of the best books in the series and probably the only one that could just be read as a standalone sci-fi story. It's a banger and I'm looking forward to it. Re: the end of the series, obviously I've read them before, but at the time as a kid I honestly believed - and think I still could believe, if I were reading them as an adult for the first time - that they could end any way you could think of. Triumphant hero's ending, or brutal and hopeless conquest of Earth by the Yeerks, or something anywhere in between. Everything in the series so far had demonstrated that the Applegates were totally prepared (and Scholastic was totally not paying attention, lol) to tear up the rulebook and cross any boundaries they wanted.
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# ? Aug 17, 2022 10:06 |
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Chapter 25quote:Thoooph! Thoooph! Thoooph! So, maybe this genie is out of the bottle after the whole carrier thing, but how do you explain Richard Carpenter's death? I mean, maybe he drowned in the flood, but if there's actual battle death, I'd think that would be hard. [b]Chapter 26[/b[ quote:The aftermath of battle. I mean, say what you want about FitzHenry, the man was dedicated to his diary. So, the Free Hork-Bajir have lost their home for now. I hope they'll find someplace new, but I don't know where they're going to go. What did everybody think of the book? While there were certainly better books in the series, I didn't hate it. Sunday we're going to start the Ellimist Chronicle. It's going to be a wild ride, as the chronicles tend to be. I think people will enjoy it.
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# ? Aug 18, 2022 03:16 |
I'm chuckling at the thought of five traitorous rebels stabbing him over and over as he's trying to finish the page.
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# ? Aug 18, 2022 03:25 |
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Yeah I really thought there was gonna be one more chapter where FitzHenry survived the battle and so would be able to reasonably finish his diary. Also I find it pretty funny that this is the book with the beaver on the cover.
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# ? Aug 18, 2022 10:32 |
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I give it credit for trying something new, but splitting the book up makes it feel shorter and incomplete, and the gimmick really only works the first time you read it IMO. It's not a bad book, but it's just kinda there, and after the one-two punch of Marco's and Ax's book it falls flatter than it should. Glad we're doing Ellimist Chronicles next, because that's a great book, and otherwise we'd be doing Rachel's next book, which is decidedly not.
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# ? Aug 18, 2022 11:58 |
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disaster pastor posted:I give it credit for trying something new, but splitting the book up makes it feel shorter and incomplete, and the gimmick really only works the first time you read it IMO. It's not a bad book, but it's just kinda there, and after the one-two punch of Marco's and Ax's book it falls flatter than it should. Yeah, I feel like the interleaved chapters structure of the gimmick rob it of its effect. If it was just a glob of several chapters straight of this guy's diary dropped in the middle of the book, and the Jake takes those ideas and applies them in his life, that might work and be interesting. But this approach kind of trivializes both. It's interesting how many people say EC is the best of the Chronicles books. It's also the only one I haven't read, so I'm looking forward to it. I have a vague idea how the series ends, which I picked up from osmosis reading various fan discussions, despite trying to avoid spoilers. Also I know some about the big dramatic event in the last(?) book because I couldn't help myself from reading spoilers in a retrospective thread in GBS a few years afterwards. But I'm interested to see how the series closes out and how it handles all the details.
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disaster pastor posted:I give it credit for trying something new, but splitting the book up makes it feel shorter and incomplete, and the gimmick really only works the first time you read it IMO. It's not a bad book, but it's just kinda there, and after the one-two punch of Marco's and Ax's book it falls flatter than it should. Agreed. I also found the ending rather abrupt. Another chapter fleshing out what happened to the campers would be nice.
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Fuschia tude posted:It's interesting how many people say EC is the best of the Chronicles books. It's also the only one I haven't read, so I'm looking forward to it. It's basically a very fun (well, "fun," it wouldn't be Animorphs without a genocide or ten) space opera fairly divorced from the main story. I think it probably has a lot of concepts which will be more familiar to seasoned sci-fi readers reading it again now, but which blew my mind when I was 12. I would probably rank it alongside Visser, but they're very different books, Visser swings the pendulum all the way in the other direction in being intrinsically tied to the contemporary plot.
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# ? Aug 19, 2022 08:31 |
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Also I love the idea of Fitzhenry licking the nib of his pen, lying there with his guts spilled out while the battle rages around him, and muttering to himself "...growing narrow like a field glass, a darkening tunnel... Hmmm... should that be growing narrow, or narrowing? Hmm..."
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# ? Aug 19, 2022 08:33 |
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Ok, You want to hear about the Ellimist? I know you do! So, here we go. The Ellimist Chronicles Prologue quote:The human child called to me. The human child was dying, and nothing I could do within the rules of the game would change that fact. I point out "dying", which is a bad sign. First Life Chapter 1 quote:My full name is Azure Level, Seven Spar, Extension Two, Down-Messenger, Forty-one. My chosen name is Toomin. I like the sound of the word, which is all the reason you need for a chosen name. My “game” name is Ellimist. Like Toomin, it doesn’t mean anything in particular. I just thought it sounded breezy. Never occurred to me when I chose the name that it would follow me for so long, and so far. The Pangabans were an interesting race well adapted to their unusual world. They lived beneath an eternally gray, clouded sky. They had never seen their own sun clearly, had no notion of stars or other planets. This was particularly ironic because their own planet was in fact a moon that orbited a much larger planet well suited to life. So, I have bad news. The Ellimist is a gamer. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Aug 22, 2022 |
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competitive spore
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