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Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


TheCenturion posted:

See, that's what I'm talking about. State authority illegitimately used is still illegitimate when it's against people you don't like.

No, I'm not OK with fascists overrunning the country, but you and PT6A still don't deserve beatings yourselves just for advocating populist police brutality.

You simply cannot say 'well, it's OK for cops to beat the poo poo out of people who believe in the queen of the galactic federation, but not OK for cops to beat the poo poo out of, say, Sammy Yatim.'
I personally am put off by how kid-gloves groups like the conveyers and the q-anon adjacent folk get treated by cops. I'm not sure cops beating them down would be terribly productive (or right,) but I also think cops are probably way too lenient in how they treat them, to the point it is likely emboldening them.

I don't think PT6A or anyone else is advocating for a policy of "cops only beat people I don't like" but "if cops are going to beat people, it'd be nice if they at least doled out the beatings to far right political groups more then never." It's venting of idle frustrations in the face of increasingly hostile and radical movements it feels like we have no realistic solutions to. It's not like we can expect the government to roll out UBI, affordable/free housing, and better and proper access to mental health professionals & treatment.

I also think the more correct response to PT6A's feelings is the response that others have given of "cops won't beat people they sympathize with."

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Tippecanoe
Jan 26, 2011

TheKingofSprings posted:

Honestly it would just be nice if the cops beat the fascists instead of the socialists for once as a change of pace

Regrettably the cops are the fascists

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS

Oxyclean posted:

I personally am put off by how kid-gloves groups like the conveyers and the q-anon adjacent folk get treated by cops. I'm not sure cops beating them down would be terribly productive (or right,) but I also think cops are probably way too lenient in how they treat them, to the point it is likely emboldening them.

I don't think PT6A or anyone else is advocating for a policy of "cops only beat people I don't like" but "if cops are going to beat people, it'd be nice if they at least doled out the beatings to far right political groups more then never." It's venting of idle frustrations in the face of increasingly hostile and radical movements it feels like we have no realistic solutions to. It's not like we can expect the government to roll out UBI, affordable/free housing, and better and proper access to mental health professionals & treatment.

I also think the more correct response to PT6A's feelings is the response that others have given of "cops won't beat people they sympathize with."

The problem isn't that the cops aren't quick enough to beat people on the q-anon spectrum, it's that cops are too quick to beat, say, Indigenous folk.

PT6A can find more productive ways to vent than to advocate extrajudicial state violence against people who are, in all likelihood, seriously mentally ill.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
There's three separate issues here:

1) There's a cultlike group with a tenuous connection to reality openly threatening civil servants.

2) Police have a propensity to overescalate most situations.

3) Police are treating the group in (1) with kid gloves because they have right-wing sympathies.

And its ok to be mad at any one of them. The problem is there's no good way to solve all three at once.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Vintersorg posted:

If it was the US there would be dead bodies with cops getting pushed around like that.

Jan 6th disagrees.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Morrow posted:

The problem is there's no good way to solve all three at once.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
The guy at the far end is definitely not getting his money's worth

redbrouw
Nov 14, 2018

ACAB

infernal machines posted:

The guy at the far end is definitely not getting his money's worth

But just imagine the show if he turns a little to his right

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Oxyclean posted:

I personally am put off by how kid-gloves groups like the conveyers and the q-anon adjacent folk get treated by cops. I'm not sure cops beating them down would be terribly productive (or right,) but I also think cops are probably way too lenient in how they treat them, to the point it is likely emboldening them.

I don't think PT6A or anyone else is advocating for a policy of "cops only beat people I don't like" but "if cops are going to beat people, it'd be nice if they at least doled out the beatings to far right political groups more then never." It's venting of idle frustrations in the face of increasingly hostile and radical movements it feels like we have no realistic solutions to. It's not like we can expect the government to roll out UBI, affordable/free housing, and better and proper access to mental health professionals & treatment.

I also think the more correct response to PT6A's feelings is the response that others have given of "cops won't beat people they sympathize with."

Yeah, exactly. I'm not at all in favor of the police's general tactics against protestors, but people like the convoyers were treated with such kid gloves and gave them so much time to peacefully clear out that when the crackdown eventually came it was just like "Well what did you idiots think was going to happen?".

The police are an alligator in the bathtub of our society: It's a major hazard and we're trying to get rid of it, but saying Bill's an idiot for sticking his hand in its mouth and getting bit doesn't mean I'm pro bathtub alligator...

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




What the hell is this poo poo? There's no way a single blade could cut through that many necks from such a low height.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




I mean, the blade must weigh a whole lot but yeah, add a couple metres for physics purposes

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



In case you're wondering how hospitals are still (barely) functioning and the system is being privatized, the Star has a nice (well not) article on significant increases in the use of nursing temp agencies:

quote:

Spending on temporary agency nurses has soared by millions of dollars at some of Ontario’s largest hospitals grappling with severe staffing shortages, with one that paid over 550 per cent more in its last fiscal year compared to pre-pandemic years.

Ontario’s health worker staffing crisis has prompted ballooning wait times in hospitals, forcing some to cancel surgeries or even temporarily shutter emergency departments.

Since the pandemic began, hospitals across the country have increasingly turned toward agency nurses, nursing unions say. But critics say this stopgap solution is a dangerous symptom of deeper dysfunction in hospitals, where exhausted nurses are leaving permanent jobs for flexible gigs at privately owned temp agencies — where they can sometimes earn double their old hourly rate.

“Agency nursing is a form of privatization,” said Doris Grinspun, CEO of the Registered Nurses’ Association of Ontario. “And really, the ones who are making the mega money are the agencies.”
So far this year, the University Health Network has already spent $6.7 million on agency nurses — a 550 per cent increase compared to 2018, when it spent just over $1 million.

In its last fiscal year ending March 2022, the University Health Network, Canada’s largest research and teaching hospital network, has already spent $6.7 million on agency nurses — a significant jump compared to 2018, when it spent $1.035 million.

During the fiscal year that ended in 2021, UHN only spent about $776,000 on agency nurses.

“It’s gut-wrenching … we will not be able to sustain our health-care system with numbers like that,” said Linda Silas, president of the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions.
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“These are public dollars going to private agencies,” she added. “You think okay, employers, government — let’s shake our heads here. We have to take that money that you’re spending and throwing down the drain, and start fixing the workplace.”

I wonder how many Conservative donors/MPPs are or will be board members/executives of these temp agencies. Also, check out the top hit for "healthcare gig economy" from whatever Huron Consulting Group is:

quote:

The gig economy has transformed the transportation, hotel and delivery industries and could be headed for healthcare next. The gig economy is a model used by companies such as Uber, TaskRabbit and Postmates that uses freelance workers and short-term contracting to supplement full-time staff. With the gig economy, individuals seek out work on their terms and employers hire based on their immediate needs. For healthcare providers and employees, this model could offer many benefits.

“With the gig economy, individuals seek out work on their terms and employers hire based on their immediate needs. For healthcare providers and employees, this model could offer many benefits.”

Why the Gig Economy is Right for Healthcare

Healthcare organizations are trying to drive out inefficiencies across their businesses to increase revenue. While improving supply chain processes and reducing denials can yield significant financial improvement, they struggle to put a dent in labor costs, which account for approximately 60 percent of spending. At the same time, there’s an impending healthcare skills gap with an estimated shortage of 20,400 primary care physicians and 200,000 nurses by 2020. Travel and agency nurses, physical therapists and occupational therapists, and locum tenens physicians help fill labor gaps at understaffed hospitals, but they come at a significant cost. The gig economy would allow hospitals and healthcare providers to negotiate directly with healthcare professionals, significantly reducing the fees charged by pricey intermediaries.

With a gig model, healthcare organizations would be able to hire a professional for one day, several days or a few months based on their staffing needs. This enables providers to hire fewer full-time staff, which gives them a pool of workers to tap into as needed.

I can't wait to have to install a hospital app and search for the perfect Healr to come to my bed (surge pricing may apply).

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

eXXon posted:

In case you're wondering how hospitals are still (barely) functioning and the system is being privatized, the Star has a nice (well not) article on significant increases in the use of nursing temp agencies:

I wonder how many Conservative donors/MPPs are or will be board members/executives of these temp agencies. Also, check out the top hit for "healthcare gig economy" from whatever Huron Consulting Group is:

I can't wait to have to install a hospital app and search for the perfect Healr to come to my bed (surge pricing may apply).

They have ads all over the TTC for gig-economy healthcare workers now

"Set your own hours" is always a dead giveaway

Evis
Feb 28, 2007
Flying Spaghetti Monster

If they’re paying nurses double why are any nurses left in the public system?

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

eXXon posted:

quote:

Healthcare organizations are trying to drive out inefficiencies across their businesses to increase revenue.

How does someone write a sentence like that and not recognize it's a huge problem?

Piquai Souban
Mar 21, 2007

Manque du respect: toujours.
Triple bas cinq: toujours.
The Mayor of Peterborough on Romana Didulo:

https://twitter.com/DianeNTherrien/status/1559623988648763394

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I would give a lot to have a mayor like that.

Not move to Peterborough, but a lot.

Piquai Souban
Mar 21, 2007

Manque du respect: toujours.
Triple bas cinq: toujours.
Ottawa shoulda traded for her during the occupation.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Seriously.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

KingKalamari posted:

How does someone write a sentence like that and not recognize it's a huge problem?

That's an easy one: you don't think it's a huge problem if you're a conservative and only understand interactions based on monetary transactions. Surely you've seen a conservative short circuit and be unable to compute why a transaction that wasn't a monetary transaction even happened, right?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

eXXon posted:

In case you're wondering how hospitals are still (barely) functioning and the system is being privatized, the Star has a nice (well not) article on significant increases in the use of nursing temp agencies:


Those would be the same temps who were mainly responsible for spreading covid to every old folks' home in the province, right?

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



KingKalamari posted:

How does someone write a sentence like that and not recognize it's a huge problem?

Some famous guy wrote that "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it", I guess.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


flakeloaf posted:

Those would be the same temps who were mainly responsible for spreading covid to every old folks' home in the province, right?

IIRC that was a slightly different issue in that PSWs commonly worked at multiple homes because they weren't given enough hours to make anything close to a livable wage working at one because it was cheaper to make everyone part time.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

IIRC that was a slightly different issue in that PSWs commonly worked at multiple homes because they weren't given enough hours to make anything close to a livable wage working at one because it was cheaper to make everyone part time.

And they still do! Because we learned nothing from this pandemic. :smith:

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
IDK, we might have learned that you can significantly reduce long term care costs by having PSWs work at multiple homes.

Evis
Feb 28, 2007
Flying Spaghetti Monster

infernal machines posted:

IDK, we might have learned that you can significantly reduce long term care costs by having PSWs work at multiple homes.

I think we also learned you can drastically cut costs by letting a pandemic rip.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Evis posted:

I think we also learned you can drastically cut costs by letting a pandemic rip.

I'm sure it was a nuisance having dozens of beds open up in a single month. Lots of admin. A real strain on housekeeping getting them all ready at the same time. While years long waiting lists would ensure there were enough replacement patients to fill the beds, the incoming patient's families were probably pushier than usual. Big headache all around.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
If PT6A is the CEO of cops why don’t we just get him to get rid of the fascists???

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Zellers is coming back.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Can't help but notice there was no mention of the restaurant....... hellworld indeed....

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Love to see discount stores flourish as more and more people fall towards poverty during the richest time in human history!

Glimpse
Jun 5, 2011


I’m sure this time they have a rock solid plan to stop walmart from eating their lunch and giving them a wedgie.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Pleads posted:

Love to see discount stores flourish as more and more people fall towards poverty during the richest time in human history!

Safeway's discount brand, freshco, also has the added benefit of union busting and making everybody reapply for their jobs in store changeovers.

Squibbles
Aug 24, 2000

Mwaha ha HA ha!

DaysBefore posted:

Can't help but notice there was no mention of the restaurant....... hellworld indeed....

Make your own at home https://www.cjhk.ca/2022/08/03/you-could-buy-a-vintage-booth-from-a-nova-scotia-zellers-restaurant/

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



Didn't they actually lose their trademark? They can't just pretend this was their plan all along.

Piquai Souban
Mar 21, 2007

Manque du respect: toujours.
Triple bas cinq: toujours.
The Convoy church (the secular “embassy” one, not the Vanier biker convoy church) didn’t pay their rent:

https://twitter.com/a_pinsent/status/1560040938193436675?s=20

A locksmith showed but they threatened him.

Piquai Souban fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Aug 18, 2022

AegisP
Oct 5, 2008
Okay, I sure didn't have "they forgot to pay their rent" as the way that convoy church debacle would end.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

I thought they bought them place for 6 million wtf

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


They thought the American donation money would keep flowing in if they showed they were establishing a serious organization.

They probably thought they could raise $6m to buy the building,, they didn't even raise enough to pay 3 months rent on it.

Now threatening locksmiths, They'll probably link up with Didulo and give us our very own Waco.

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Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

This is seriously good news

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