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Tulip posted:Aside you inadvertently triggered my memory that people, not just like guys but people who get published, have argued that the Roman Empire's success was because they were ethnically pure and did not incorporate minority peoples into their military or civic structure, and the crisis of the 3rd century and eventual collapse was because they let too many non-Romans breed into the Roman population I'd like to take this opportunity to repost acoup's series on the ethnogenesis of the Romans which suggests dramatically the opposite, which is great reading if you're not familiar with just how much of a bastard people they were.
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You'd like to but you... Won't?
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pescennius n****
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Aug 18, 2022 11:58
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The story of Max Thrax first appearing in the record because as a show of strength he jogged along side (the prior emperor's?) A dudes horse and just knocked the drat horse out is a good one. He, however, was not a good one.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:You'd like to but you... Won't? here ya go https://acoup.blog/2021/06/11/collections-the-queens-latin-or-who-were-the-romans-part-i-beginnings-and-legends/
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the aeneid is one giant fight for the right of the trojan exiles to race mix with italians to create the eventual roman line
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Aug 18, 2022 14:12
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Good Tides of History this week about the lives of average working stiffs in New Kingdom Egypt.
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Grevling posted:Good Tides of History this week about the lives of average working stiffs in New Kingdom Egypt. oh hell yeah thanks
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Tulip posted:Aside you inadvertently triggered my memory that people, not just like guys but people who get published, have argued that the Roman Empire's success was because they were ethnically pure and did not incorporate minority peoples into their military or civic structure, and the crisis of the 3rd century and eventual collapse was because they let too many non-Romans breed into the Roman population If they're was a way to argue that the G*rms were solely and totally responsible for the Fall of Rome without being racist I would take out a grad school loan right now.
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War and Pieces posted:If they're was a way to argue that the G*rms were solely and totally responsible for the Fall of Rome without being racist I would take out a grad school loan right now. idk how george r r martin caused the fall of rome but, i would believe it
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Jazerus posted:idk how george r r martin caused the fall of rome but, i would believe it They were too busy waiting for the next book to come out they forgot to defend the Rhine frontier
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sullat posted:They were too busy waiting for the next book to come out they forgot to defend the Rhine frontier The franks were able to ultimately overrun roman gaul through ensuring that the jets would never reach the playoffs via bribery and putting them in the same division as Bradicingetorix
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*discussing an empire that spent its last 300 years in near-constant civil war* the reasons for its fall are complex...
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:You'd like to but you... Won't? Lol owned me.
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Aug 19, 2022 02:36
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Sherbert Hoover posted:*discussing an empire that spent its last 300 years in near-constant civil war* "it was extremely stable, except for the slave revolts and civil wars, which we can safely discount as there are entire years without them"
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Weka posted:Lol owned me. brutal pwnage
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Barry Foster posted:here ya go took a while but I enjoyed this series
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Yea thanks, that's a really good read.
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Rome fell because of this guy's monopoly on lamps https://twitter.com/AntiquityJ/status/1560544232800223233?t=Oh5avwGHmAg6fHWekPp0BQ&s=19
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War and Pieces posted:If they're was a way to argue that the G*rms were solely and totally responsible for the Fall of Rome without being racist I would take out a grad school loan right now. it’s okay to be racist towards germans. they’ve earned it.
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Real hurthling! posted:the aeneid is one giant fight for the right of the trojan exiles to race mix with italians to create the eventual roman line you got to fight for your right to raaaaaace miiixxxx but yeah aeneid owns, first historical instance of Big Head mode as well
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many ancient med peoples claimed to have ancestors from elsewhere rather than to be a pure blooded or indigenous race. like a ton of greeks thought they were descendants of a large movement of dorians into mainland greece that made 19th and 20th century scholars waste their lives looking for non literary evidence of it and we get all these narratives about a supposed great dorian invasion etc... meanwhile the athenians claimed their mythological ancestor had been literally born from the attic soil after hephaestus failed to penetrate athena during a rape attempt and she wiped the mess off her legs onto the ground causing king erichthonius to be born. epic prehistoric conquest vs jizz goblin. greece is a land of contrasts
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Aug 20, 2022 06:26
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The type of racist who loves Greeks but hates people from SWANA has obviously never read any of the hundreds of Greek stories about their founders and inventions all coming from Egypt, Anatolia Persia and Scythia
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War and Pieces posted:The type of racist who loves Greeks but hates people from SWANA has obviously never read any of the hundreds of Greek stories about their founders and inventions all coming from Egypt, Anatolia Persia and Scythia
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A Buttery Pastry posted:hosed up that anyone would hate people from the Solid Waste Association of North America. any experiences with the application process? I think I may have a load of stuff to offer to the organization.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:hosed up that anyone would hate people from the Solid Waste Association of North America. 
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So with the Dorians is it just a case where there was migration but no big military invasion, or is it something else entirely?
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Short answer: there was almost certainly not a massive migration or invasion as envisaged by the ancient Greeks, but something big definitely happened. Homer depicts a significantly different culture than the one reciting the legend, there was definitely a language shift, and we have archaeological evidence of a bunch of destruction around 1200 BC. But curiously, whatever happened seems to leave the area significantly depopulated and without rulers leaving any mark in the archaeological record, which strongly argues against conquest, since the conquerors almost universally stick around to reap the rewards. There's a bunch of theories from mutually destructive civil wars to a climate shift to repeated external raiding by the infamous Sea Peoples but there's just not enough evidence in any one direction to say for sure.
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i sincerely don't give a poo poo about mycenae, but i really wanna know what the poo poo the Minoans were up to
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Riot Bimbo posted:i sincerely don't give a poo poo about mycenae, but i really wanna know what the poo poo the Minoans were up to Great question! Prepare to fight!
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I wanna know how they made and erected such big obelisks and how many they cracked/broke moving them and getting them upright I remember reading a book or long article or something about how Egyptian artifacts got to various places and they describe the absolutely harrowing journey of transporting and setting up the obelisk in Central Park and at the time everyone involved was like "how the gently caress did they do this 3000 years ago, we're lucky we haven't shattered the thing"
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indigi posted:I wanna know how they made and erected such big obelisks and how many they cracked/broke moving them and getting them upright https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgekJnMeNiY
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lol I spent the whole thing going well they wouldn't put a documentary of it if it didn't work but that thing is overengineered by half they'd make a big pile of dirt to act like scaffolding, which ancient engineering did all the time. and it turns out yep lmao
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it's not hard making a big pile of dirt you just need a bunch of shovels and jerks. both tended to be pretty easy to make more of
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HaroldsBro/status/1561058613526810624
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In conclusion: Slavery was forced upon America by the Dutch.
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there is no end to the evils brought upon this world by the wretched dutchman
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The dutch invented capitalism, splitting the check, weird cast iron pots called “ovens”. the worst
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Delthalaz posted:The dutch invented capitalism, splitting the check, weird cast iron pots called “ovens”. the worst They don't sound trustworthy. What's their angle?
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:They don't sound trustworthy. What's their angle? Askew from the rest of us.
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