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fridge corn posted:Pumping fake exhaust noise into the cabin is a hell of a lot better than pumping real exhaust noise into the cabin Is it though? VW used a sound transducer thingy solution for many years that worked fine, funneling sound from the engine bay to the cabin. I dislike all of it but yeah.
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Aug 18, 2022 16:11
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looks like something you see at a car show and i dont mean that in a good way
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Aug 18, 2022 16:15
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Yeah, I don't think we need to be encouraging people to have fake rev sounds that are really loving annoying. It's bad enough that the neighbor across the street wakes me up every day when he starts his BMW with a lovely exhaust and it rumbles my windows. At least he actually has to jump through some hoops to install that poo poo. A factory option that can probably be hacked to increase the volume by anyone with a USB cable, GTFO. We need some regulations on the books now to deal with this level of noise polution. Other thoughts, good job Dodge marketing making your product with a name as unique as "Electric Charger". In no way is that going to cause SEO problems.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:07
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The "idle" sounds like the hum of Robocop. Which is totally unnecessary but is kind of a cool sound.KakerMix posted:Can't wait for the hot EV mods where dorks increase the volume on their fake Challenger ~exhaust~ to annoy the poo poo out of everyone I've got a teen neighbor with a lovely old Elantra with huge loving fart cans on it and he got his tires slashed a couple months back--probably by a new mom trying to get their kids to sleep at any time. Frankly, I'm so loving sick of people just letting their loud trucks and cars idle all loving day long at the curb. We have a handful of burbling MOPARs (for some loving reason?) in our neighborhood and the sound of the two-honk and BLARGGGHHHHHHHHH every morning with their remote starts just makes me want to start chucking bricks. And I like decent sounding exhaust notes on cars that deserve it But man, no one seems to give a poo poo about anyone else.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:10
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, I don't think we need to be encouraging people to have fake rev sounds that are really loving annoying. It's bad enough that the neighbor across the street wakes me up every day when he starts his BMW with a lovely exhaust and it rumbles my windows. At least he actually has to jump through some hoops to install that poo poo. A factory option that can probably be hacked to increase the volume by anyone with a USB cable, GTFO. We need some regulations on the books now to deal with this level of noise polution. One hopeful scenario is no bro noise in 0-30kmh areas in the satnav cartography and bro noise in 50+ areas. So it doesn't get torched down by neighbors after the tenth time the owner does fake revs in the middle off the night.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:13
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My neighbor got back at me for loud v8 exhaust noises by buying a '22 Corvette. That thing is MEAN.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:14
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How does that thing even make the fake rev noises? Obviously (probably?) it wasn't flooring the 'gas' pedal. I hope it's a lovely button or knob that gets stuck
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Aug 18, 2022 17:36
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Inner Light posted:Is it though? VW used a sound transducer thingy solution for many years that worked fine, funneling sound from the engine bay to the cabin. I dislike all of it but yeah. Not if it's literally a pipe from the exhaust straight into the cabin and the only thing preventing the exhaust gases from entering the cabin is a flimsy little diaphragm 
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Aug 18, 2022 17:37
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:How does that thing even make the fake rev noises? Obviously (probably?) it wasn't flooring the 'gas' pedal. I hope it's a lovely button or knob that gets stuck Probably by depressing the clutch pedal/reving right?
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Aug 18, 2022 17:37
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3 pedals throttle brake engine noise a literal loud pedal
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Aug 18, 2022 17:49
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Residency Evil posted:Probably by depressing the clutch pedal/reving right? This is the future so it's probably a little slider in the infotainment screen that you waggle back and forth. Naturally, the slider is really small and works regardless of vehicle speed.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:54
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Why are EVs so goddamn weird? Why can't we just have an EV that looks like a normal car, has like 400 miles of range, has a standard instrument cluster, maybe like the civic, with switches and knobs for stuff like climate control and a screen for your radio, nav, carplay etc. Why does it need to be some weird dumpy looking hatchback with cat ears, space ship noises or fart noises? Why must everything be consolidated beneath a stupid touch screen where you can play video games on it? Seriously, why cant a car just be a car? Why does it have to pretend its an iPad on wheels?
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Aug 18, 2022 17:55
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Isn't it a literal pipe, not a speaker? The guy quoted said it was like a wind organ.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:55
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Kraftwerk posted:Why must everything be consolidated beneath a stupid touch screen where you can play video games on it? Cost-cutting to make up for all the batteries which is also why they don't go 400 miles for now. I'm sure once Bentley makes an EV it will cost a million dollars and have buttons, then buttons will be seen as a status symbol so they'll start working their way back down to luxury brands.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:59
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SlowBloke posted:One hopeful scenario is no bro noise in 0-30kmh areas in the satnav cartography and bro noise in 50+ areas. So it doesn't get torched down by neighbors after the tenth time the owner does fake revs in the middle off the night. But EVs already required to make noise at low speeds out of safety lol.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:24
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Kraftwerk posted:Why are EVs so goddamn weird? I’m assuming it’s because they’re trying to sell it to people who previously bought chargers/challengers.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:40
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Kraftwerk posted:Why are EVs so goddamn weird? I don't think any of the super boring EVs have been huge sales hits. The Kia Niro is the most normcore EV I can think of, and it only gets bought by even weirder people than Tesla buyers. It doesn't have any advanced tech and has less touchscreen and more physical controls than a modern Civic. Buyers want the fart noises and bizarre looks. https://blog.codinghorror.com/electric-geek-transportation-systems/ https://jalopnik.com/the-kia-niro-ev-is-more-fun-than-it-has-any-right-to-be-1848751119
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Aug 18, 2022 18:45
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Sab669 posted:But EVs already required to make noise at low speeds out of safety lol. I just looked this up and EVs in the UK apparently have to make noise of at least 56 decibels (which is as loud as your fridge) and only below 12mph which is why I've never actually heard one make any noise.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:49
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It's apparently only required up to 18.6 mph in the States. I thought it was 20-25 or so. But yea either way just seemed funny to me that we're like, "They're too quiet! They must make some noise! ...No that's too much noise"
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Aug 18, 2022 19:07
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Sab669 posted:But EVs already required to make noise at low speeds out of safety lol. If you hear the twitter vid, the car is doing jetson noises while moving with random hemi noises. I'm starting to think that there is either a hemi noise button on the wheel or it depends on pedal depression.
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Aug 18, 2022 20:01
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Maybe there's a sound board. Jetson noises Hemi rev Tim Allen grunt rod knock blowoff valve money shift
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Aug 18, 2022 20:13
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Powershift posted:Maybe there's a sound board. Detroit Diesel jake brake
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Aug 18, 2022 20:15
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SlowBloke posted:If you hear the twitter vid, the car is doing jetson noises while moving with random hemi noises. I'm starting to think that there is either a hemi noise button on the wheel or it depends on pedal depression. https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-how-the-electric-dodge-charger-concepts-exhaust-is-as-loud-as-a-hellcat Dodge posted:Elshoff told me that the system doesn't sample the noise from the Charger EV's motors, but generates a synthetic one based on the "cadence from a Hemi V8." He adds that it "screams at higher revs," which might explain where Dodge got the Banshee name for its 800-volt electric drivetrain. A transducer then manipulates that sound based on throttle position, vehicle speed, load, and so on, feeding the signal to an amplifier that spits it out through a fairly conventional exhaust. Elshoff likens the setup to "a resonator or those direct/reflecting home speakers from the 1980s." Yea basically it just kinda says, "Okay half throttle at this speed probably sounds something like this" and tries to make that noise.
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Aug 18, 2022 20:34
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SlowBloke posted:One hopeful scenario is no bro noise in 0-30kmh areas in the satnav cartography and bro noise in 50+ areas. So it doesn't get torched down by neighbors after the tenth time the owner does fake revs in the middle off the night. If there's technological controls, they can be hacked worked around and lack of regulation means that there's no enforcement around that hack. Noise ordinances and/or inspection routines would really only apply right now to exhaust. For example, my local town ordnance says that no one should operate a motor vehicle without properly equipped mufflers such that it emits noise that would be a disturbance to residents. That's vague as gently caress to begin with which leaves a lot of wiggle room based on who's responding to any complaint, but the fact that it focuses around exhaust and mufflers means it doesn't apply at all for something like this. So, there's nothing preventing someone from modding in a larger exterior speaker and a inline amp to make the thing 2x or 3x as loud or disabling any controls that may be in place to prevent it from being a nuisance. Loud exhaust was always a grey area because there's some functional performance aspect of it and the alteration of an already existing and necessary output is different than creating something just for the sake of it. We have regulations around vehicle lighting and people aren't allowed to just install flashing leds all over their car, there should be definitive regulations around the type and level of unnecessary noise they can emit. Sab669 posted:https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-how-the-electric-dodge-charger-concepts-exhaust-is-as-loud-as-a-hellcat That tracks for the constant noise, but not those revs that were there. If you jab the pedal on an electric vehicle to make a rev sound, you are going to end up putting yourself through the wall from sudden acceleration. If it is pedal controlled, there has to be something that's disengaging it from causing acceleration. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 18, 2022 |
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Aug 18, 2022 20:42
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bull3964 posted:If there's technological controls, they can be hacked worked around and lack of regulation means that there's no enforcement around that hack. It's vague only in the states, in the EU car noise levels are written in stone https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014R0540 Which is also why car journalists trying to act cool, revving current cars while stopped, will end up in soft limiters with reduced noises(much to the chagrin of matt watson/carwow, he always points it out)
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Aug 18, 2022 20:48
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My guess is most people will turn off the fake noises when the novelty wears off after a few days. The only people leaving it on will be boomers clutching on to their '69 440 Charger memories Which by the way is the best sounding V8 in a muscle car ever imo
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Aug 18, 2022 21:22
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bull3964 posted:That tracks for the constant noise, but not those revs that were there. If you jab the pedal on an electric vehicle to make a rev sound, you are going to end up putting yourself through the wall from sudden acceleration. If it is pedal controlled, there has to be something that's disengaging it from causing acceleration. It was probably just a pre recorded demo for the vehicle roll out and not actually representative of how the actual vehicle will function. There isn't a button, switch, slider, pedal that is doing this at all.
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Aug 18, 2022 21:37
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Kraftwerk posted:Why are EVs so goddamn weird? What's a "normal" looking car? I mean I'm sorry if you think design peaked at the E46 or whatever but it's almost 25 years on now, let it go. I wish people still liked regular old sedans and wagons, but they were dead and buried by the public long before EV's became a thing. If you want just a regular old EV hatchback, well they exist, just not in America because you don't buy them. But even in the modern design trends, there's plenty of just regular shaped EV's that look no different to their ICE cousins. You seem to be raging at the dickhead gimmick poo poo that is the sole domain of Tesla, and whacky attention grabbing concept cars. Plenty of cars without that poo poo, just not without touchscreens, but you know the answer to why those are a thing - ease and cost of manufacture and customer "ohhh shiny!" demand.
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fridge corn posted:You got me excited for a second there https://twitter.com/sniffpetrol/status/1560187808559538177?s=20&t=U8i7k-cNGjcInRUAfo-Dhw
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Aug 19, 2022 00:53
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Where’s my brown wagon EV with 400 mile range, physical HVAC controls, manual transmission and 120 mph trap speed. I’ll buy one 3 years old for $19k.
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Aug 19, 2022 01:44
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Infinotize posted:Where’s my brown wagon EV with 400 mile range, physical HVAC controls, manual transmission and 120 mph trap speed. I’ll buy one 3 years old for $19k. In my head this is how the Taycan wagon is supposed to work.
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Aug 19, 2022 01:59
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Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers
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I just want a 3,750 lb BMW X5 AWD with adjustable dampers, a hitch, 19" wheels, and no stupid moonroof oh and some better color choices.
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Aug 19, 2022 02:06
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The Mini Cooper EV looks almost identical to a regular Mini. The Audi e-tron GT doesn’t stick out. The VW ID.4 is ugly, but not because it’s an EV. As they become more common, designs will become less polarizing. Looking weird and futuristic is part of attracting people willing to deal with the issues of being an early adopter. Given all of the current and coming soon EVs, if I had to choose one it would probably be an ID. Buzz. Talk about practical storage space!
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Aug 19, 2022 02:12
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Twerk from Home posted:I don't think any of the super boring EVs have been huge sales hits. The Kia Niro is the most normcore EV I can think of, and it only gets bought by even weirder people than Tesla buyers. It doesn't have any advanced tech and has less touchscreen and more physical controls than a modern Civic. Buyers want the fart noises and bizarre looks. The Niro EV is based on an ICE platform so it already has some compromises and it was only available in ZEV states until recently. But it’s a perfectly fine car and regular rear end people buy them, Kia just didn’t make many because it was a compliance car meant to bridge the gap until they could start manufacturing cars on their dedicated platform. The reason there are so many Teslas out there relative to other EVs is that Tesla is the only company that was attempting to make EVs in any real volume other than Nissan with the Leaf. That’s only very recently changed but it’s still going to take a few years for production lines to fully ramp up. As mentioned, the ID.4 is pretty normal looking, is selling well, and the stupidity with capacitive buttons isn’t because it’s an EV, it’s because Volkswagen is stupid. There are probably plenty of people out there who want an EV that’s “just a car” but “just a car” now means touch screens and funky shapes. That’s not an EV thing it’s a modern car design thing.
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Aug 19, 2022 03:33
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kill me now posted:It was probably just a pre recorded demo for the vehicle roll out and not actually representative of how the actual vehicle will function. If you're going to make an EV that sounds like that there absolutely needs to be a way to "rev the engine" as silly as the whole concept is it'd be sillier not to able to rev it imo
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bird with big dick posted:If you're going to make an EV that sounds like that there absolutely needs to be a way to "rev the engine" as silly as the whole concept is it'd be sillier not to able to rev it imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NgSZ8sjDgU
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Aug 19, 2022 06:19
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EVs still have neutral, you can still have them “rev” using the gas pedal.
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Aug 19, 2022 06:22
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Kraftwerk posted:Why are EVs so goddamn weird? isn't this just an i4? it's a 4-series but electric. i guess the interior screens are bigger.
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Yea the i4 is about as close to "normal car" as EVs have gotten so far outside. But I don't think "the screens are bigger" is quite descriptive enough though, it's quite different: i4 on the left doesn't even try to resemble ye olde gauge cluster. And now that I'm looking this closely, weird that the hazards button is in different spots / looks like they deleted the HVAC buttons too 
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