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As I "understand" it, shows written off like that become then property of the goverment so they could probably make them PD if they cared to.
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No idea about the law or if that's a possibility but I very much doubt it would be for OK KO regardless due to the many licenced characters appearing in it. The concept of residuals makes it seems sketchy regardless though, there would probably have to be a distinct agreement with involved artists and voices that addresses a PD release. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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It's worth saying that Disney is fine and not suffering from any corporate issues, and Viacom is as invested in animation as it was before Netflix and Warner Brothers poo poo the bed (which wasn't a lot, but it's not zero). It's things like the demise of Fox and the ridiculous concentration of the industry into a few erratic corporations that's endangering animation, nothing intrinsic to Animation itself. ConanThe3rd posted:As I "understand" it, shows written off like that become then property of the goverment so they could probably make them PD if they cared to. Put out a DVD set of Megas XLR, Joe Biden. SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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Mr Interweb posted:man, really hosed to hear all the poo poo going on with CN/HBOmax/WB. Adler apparently did a voice on the CG Rugrats reboot from last year so I guess he’s still working in some capacity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Adler
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https://twitter.com/thecartooncrave/status/1560574265367355394?s=21&t=zNkSG3RUIrbZ60EO4gQp5A Ughhh, looking more and more like they’re really about to memory hole IT
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Regalingualius posted:https://twitter.com/thecartooncrave/status/1560574265367355394?s=21&t=zNkSG3RUIrbZ60EO4gQp5A As posted earlier in the thread even the show’s own creator has basically said piracy is pretty much the only way to watch it at this point. So yeah, I think we can officially call the series dead and buried unfortunately.
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https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1560481696155217921 simply unbelievable, five Cartoon Network shows flat out winked out of existence, so that Zaslav can save a few pennies The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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They forgot to take down an episode of uncle grandpa
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And the purge continues! https://mobile.twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1560636313086599170 Dammit, I really loved watching those older episodes with my nephews.
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I really don't think the shows are gone forever because of this tax law. I bought Megas XLR on iTunes last year in America. The tax law may not work the way we think it does.
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Regalingualius posted:Ughhh, looking more and more like they’re really about to memory hole IT
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Sivart13 posted:how much could the residual checks possibly be on these shows that it merits banishing them to the phantom zone is one number bigger than the other? if so gently caress em
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All hail the genredom
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OK hear me out: Fan made Blu Ray boxed sets and merch.
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Well they're definitely not going to be tax-holing sesame st.
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readingatwork posted:OK hear me out: https://twitter.com/ianjq/status/1560334393155076096 The future of streaming is every animator in Burbank selling you their shows on blurays or flashdrives off the back of a van.
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ConanThe3rd posted:As I "understand" it, shows written off like that become then property of the goverment so they could probably make them PD if they cared to. so the IRS owns Megas and Sym-Bionic Titan??
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Covok posted:I really don't think the shows are gone forever because of this tax law. I bought Megas XLR on iTunes last year in America. The tax law may not work the way we think it does. I have Megas XLR on iTunes too but I think that was an exception or something? It's certainly not available anywhere else.
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Now I'm depressed that Megas, a show so laser-targeted at me it's no wonder it got cancelled, was cancelled. Again.
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It does make me wonder how much damage Zsaz will do to the brand equity of HBO. If he really does push reality TV like Fboy Island and cancel a lot of the shows they have in the works early, then it will basically destroy the brand. Like, right now, they're still doing the Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings Live Action shows. But that probably was due to them being late in production and not staring women of color since CEOs love canceling anything like that when the time comes (see Batgirl and all the LGBTQA+ shows canceled by Disney when their CEO took over). If the next phase is a push to reality TV, how can HBO the channel keep subscribers? Right now, old contracts is keeping it from descending into that, but their streaming service will likely keep having purges since Zsaz hates streaming as a concept. Even if these shows pop up on Discovery+, it will lead to questions down the line of how the service is now shittier and more costly. Like, what will the brand equity of HBO be in five years under Zsaz? Every other channel he ever bought was slowly turned into a low-effort reality TV show factory that people keep on as white noise. And that will never beat the overwhelming power of YouTube and Streamers. His channels survive by Boomers still loving Cable, but the elite's love of OPEN ER UP means Boomers are dying off at 400,000 a year (at least that's the estimated projected worldwide death total from COVID for 2022). So, in five years, when cable is really on its last legs, what will HBO be if it completely abandonded streaming to be reality TV show cable?
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Oxxidation posted:does hbo get these tax incentives taking a hatchet to their film catalog too or is it just series Yes, remember this all started with them shelving Batgirl and a finished Scooby-Doo movie for the tax credits
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The sensible thing to do, is that if you want a property to be a tax write-off, you need to let it enter public domain, but nobody is going to let that happen because they will still want to cling onto IPs they will never use.
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TwoPair posted:Yes, remember this all started with them shelving Batgirl and a finished Scooby-Doo movie for the tax credits I assume it has to do with Hollywood accounting so movies that are a hit can be shown aren't in fact hits and thus studios don't need to pay taxes on them, or something.
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Dawgstar posted:I assume it has to do with Hollywood accounting so movies that are a hit can be shown aren't in fact hits and thus studios don't need to pay taxes on them, or something. That's a different strategy. They offload company-wide unrelated expenses on a production, so its impossible for it to be profitable.
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Covok posted:Like, right now, they're still doing the Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings Live Action shows. Lord of the Rings is Amazon, not HBO.
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Tig n Seek is gone from CN's website and they have deleted tweets. That's six Cartoon Network shows memory holed.
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Covok posted:It does make me wonder how much damage Zsaz will do to the brand equity of HBO. If he really does push reality TV like Fboy Island and cancel a lot of the shows they have in the works early, then it will basically destroy the brand. Like, right now, they're still doing the Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings Live Action shows. But that probably was due to them being late in production and not staring women of color since CEOs love canceling anything like that when the time comes (see Batgirl and all the LGBTQA+ shows canceled by Disney when their CEO took over). If the next phase is a push to reality TV, how can HBO the channel keep subscribers? Right now, old contracts is keeping it from descending into that, but their streaming service will likely keep having purges since Zsaz hates streaming as a concept. Even if these shows pop up on Discovery+, it will lead to questions down the line of how the service is now shittier and more costly. Like, what will the brand equity of HBO be in five years under Zsaz? Every other channel he ever bought was slowly turned into a low-effort reality TV show factory that people keep on as white noise. And that will never beat the overwhelming power of YouTube and Streamers. His channels survive by Boomers still loving Cable, but the elite's love of OPEN ER UP means Boomers are dying off at 400,000 a year (at least that's the estimated projected worldwide death total from COVID for 2022). So, in five years, when cable is really on its last legs, what will HBO be if it completely abandonded streaming to be reality TV show cable? Did you brainfart / freudian typo the ceo's lastname ? like yeah his kill count is going to be decent but not like Zsaz's
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The 7th Guest posted:Tig n Seek is gone from CN's website and they have deleted tweets. God damnit I wasn’t done with that one! 
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The sensible thing to do, is that if you want a property to be a tax write-off, you need to let it enter public domain, but nobody is going to let that happen because they will still want to cling onto IPs they will never use. They can still put the IPs in their asset pile while still doing the amortization scheme on the movies and series within them. So on paper they get to keep the property value even though they bulldozed the home and salted the earth.
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Neeksy posted:They can still put the IPs in their asset pile while still doing the amortization scheme on the movies and series within them. So on paper they get to keep the property value even though they bulldozed the home and salted the earth. Isn't the entire premise of the tax write-off them officially declaring "this property has zero value"?
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Covok posted:I really don't think the shows are gone forever because of this tax law. I bought Megas XLR on iTunes last year in America. The tax law may not work the way we think it does.
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MikeJF posted:Isn't the entire premise of the tax write-off them officially declaring "this property has zero value"? Writing off a show/movie for taxes isn't going to affect the rights to the characters involved. The Batgirl movie entering the public domain wouldn't prevent WBD from making a different Batgirl movie at some point in the future, for the same reason that Disney is still going to keep using Mickey Mouse in things even after the timer runs out on Steamboat Willie.
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Cattail Prophet posted:Writing off a show/movie for taxes isn't going to affect the rights to the characters involved. The Batgirl movie entering the public domain wouldn't prevent WBD from making a different Batgirl movie at some point in the future, for the same reason that Disney is still going to keep using Mickey Mouse in things even after the timer runs out on Steamboat Willie. Yeah, because Disney's ever going to let Steamboat Willie fall into the public domain. Let's be real, they're probably gearing up a big bribery campaign (if they haven't done so already) to extend copyright again.
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Pyroi posted:Yeah, because Disney's ever going to let Steamboat Willie fall into the public domain. Let's be real, they're probably gearing up a big bribery campaign (if they haven't done so already) to extend copyright again. They don't really have enough time left to do so, Disney's probably realized that trying to extend Copyright even further would be a PR nightmare for them, that and they also probably realized that Trademarks give them similar levels of control over their stuff and unlike Copyrights they don't expire as long as they remain actively used and protected
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Off the subject, has there been any news recently whether Hilda Season 3 is still happening at some point or was the movie supposed to be the series finale (I forget if it was a Netflix original series or if another studio produced it)? Speaking of Netflix, are any of the three shows based on the How To Train Your Dragon franchise any good out of curiosity?
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(Close enough supervising producer) https://twitter.com/calwong/status/1560285510022533120 I'm having flashbacks. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Aug 20, 2022 |
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Cuphead season 2 went completely Ren and Stimpy.
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Crossposting from the Adult Animation thread: https://owendennis.substack.com/p/so-uh-whats-going-on-with-infinity Owen Dennis, creator of Infinity Train, shared what he knows about the situation with his show. Basically, this is 100% on Discovery as Cartoon Network warned them that doing this would ruin their reputation with creators and fans. Discovery didn't care. This was all supposed to happen next week to give creators and probably fans time to prepare but Discovery did it early and didn't tell anyone; Owen found out while he was driving home and his phone started going off. As far as he knows, Infinity Train will be on iTunes, Google Play, Amazon Prime, Vudu, and YouTube to buy. He doesn't know how long it will stay but does believe that, if you buy something off of iTunes and Apple loses the rights to sell it, they won't take it away from you. He doesn't know about the other services. Owen also doesn't know if he's being lied to so that he'll be quiet and stop bothering people. Apparently there have been phone calls and emails for the past 3 days with zero answers because of the merger. Everyone who would know what's going on has either moved, been fired, or quit. He also implies that anyone who claims to know what's going on probably doesn't.
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