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Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62619761

A lunatic posted:

The paper also reports that, under plans drawn up by the Treasury, doctors would be able to write prescriptions to give people money off their energy bills.
Under the proposal, GPs would hold a patient consultation and verify they need help, before writing a prescription. Money would then either be given in cash or as a voucher.

Suggestion that GPs, not busy enough with helping people, are going to be used to means test you and give you a prescription to get money off your energy bill.


edit - 318 - the number of better ideas you could come up with in under a minute than this policy.

Sad Panda fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Aug 21, 2022

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Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

Sad Panda posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62619761

Suggestion that GPs, not busy enough with helping people, are going to be used to means test you and give you a prescription to get money off your energy bill.

That might be the single stupidest thing I've ever seen in politics.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Why would they trust GPs to issue prescriptions for money off the 'leccie when they don't trust them to say someone needs PIP etc preferring to believe a non-medically qualified assessor?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Microplastics posted:

Kier Starmer is an energy vampire

He's the shrunken frightening creature that crawled out of the dead body of Margaret Thatcher

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Sad Panda posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62619761

Suggestion that GPs, not busy enough with helping people, are going to be used to means test you and give you a prescription to get money off your energy bill.


edit - 318 - the number of better ideas you could come up with in under a minute than this policy.

Also, lmao, when the gently caress are they going to do that

Every so often the government tries to make us, in pharmacy, the cops of whether people have to pay or not. Get hosed. I just ask 'do you pay for your prescriptions' and if people want to lie that's up to them. There's no world where I will be looking it up to make sure they're telling the truth.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Yes I know this meme has been rinsed to death already but…

https://twitter.com/salenagodden/status/1561090375628079106

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

smellmycheese posted:

Yes I know this meme has been rinsed to death already but…

https://twitter.com/salenagodden/status/1561090375628079106

Not all caps 2/10, would not retweet

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Sad Panda posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62619761

Suggestion that GPs, not busy enough with helping people, are going to be used to means test you and give you a prescription to get money off your energy bill.


edit - 318 - the number of better ideas you could come up with in under a minute than this policy.

Yeah that is legit the dumbest loving idea. My GP surgery has been outright refusing appointments unless it's super critical and doing everything to dissuade people from March 2020 onwards, and have also made it much harder to register as a new patient which I suspect probably leaves a lot of people without a GP these days if they've come here from other parts of the city, country or indeed world. This'll do nothing for most of the people who need it :smith:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Ah hello yes I have diagnosed you with having homeostasis, this means that you need to be kept warm during winter, I'm prescribing you a gas top up card. This has been a productive use of everyone's time that could not have been managed better.

Hallucinogenic Toreador
Nov 21, 2000

Whoooooahh I'd be
Nothin' without you
Baaaaaa-by
Transferring money from the NHS to energy companies is a fantastic idea with no draw backs.

RDevz
Dec 7, 2002

Wasn't me Guv

big scary monsters posted:

IIRC energy markets use a bizarre auction system where all the producers end up getting paid the price of the most expensive MWh purchased. So even if you're getting electricity from a wind farm with tiny overheads, if someone is spinning up a gas plant to meet demand at double the usual rate all of the electricity prices go up.

Yeah, the entire model that the electricity markets have been built on since 2001 is effectively based on the price of electricity being the short-term marginal cost of its production, with the difference between how much a generator actually costs to generate and the market price being margin that the generator can then use to do things like pay for its staff, maintenance, and paying off the costs of building the power station in the first place.

At the day-ahead stage (so there were 2 auctions this morning at around 09:30 for delivery on Monday), you get sellers posting how much they're willing to sell in each hour of the day, along with minimum prices that they're willing to accept; and buyers posting how much they want to buy and a maximum price that they're willing to pay. The auctioneer then works out at what price the buy curve meets the sell curve, and that's the price that everyone transacts energy at.

Wind farms are a special case, as there's a couple of subsidy regimes that they might be siged up to. The older ones get Renewable Obligation Certificates that energy suppliers need to buy as they have to surrender them to Ofgem or pay a cash-out fee. The newer ones can have a Contract for Difference with a strike price. If the auction price is below their strike price, they get the difference between the two which is then charged out to suppliers; and if the auction price is above their strike price, they pay the difference between the two, which is then distributed back out to the suppliers.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Overloading the GP system even further just gives the next health secretary more ammo to privatise it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's an extension of the Victorian preoccupation with malingering.

"Well what if people were turning their heating off and freezing to death on purpose because they didn't want to work? We need a bunch of men with big coats and hats and sideburns to separate the deserving cold from the undeserving cold."

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
If I were a GP I'd just set a form up on the website which goes:

Registered with us?
Confirm details?
Do you have enough money not to freeze in winter?

And that generates an automatic prescription.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Repeat prescription for gas and electricity

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Guavanaut posted:

It's an extension of the Victorian preoccupation with malingering.

"Well what if people were turning their heating off and freezing to death on purpose because they didn't want to work? We need a bunch of men with big coats and hats and sideburns to separate the deserving cold from the undeserving cold."

Didn’t realise Frostpunk was prophecy.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Guavanaut posted:

Ah hello yes I have diagnosed you with having homeostasis, this means that you need to be kept warm during winter, I'm prescribing you a gas top up card. This has been a productive use of everyone's time that could not have been managed better.

From my experiences with the overworked NHS the GP would go through a few stages of gatekeeping (yes I know that's their job but it can become perverse) including telling me I'm too young to feel the cold, laughing at me coming back because of the cold multiple times, telling me they aren't sure cold is even a real thing and that I should stop googling about thermodynamics.

Then when I finally see a specialist 2 years later they'll instantly acknowledge that temperature changes can have an effect on humans, and then I'll be out the door within 2 minutes holding my new gas card, good for one top up.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
sorry you need at least two years' real life warmth experience where you dress as if the ambient temperature was 30 celsius at all times before we can call you physiologically ready to be given medical assistance to not be cold

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Angepain posted:

sorry you need at least two years' real life warmth experience where you dress as if the ambient temperature was 30 celsius at all times before we can call you physiologically ready to be given medical assistance to not be cold

This was just my hip actually, because I'm "too young for hip problems". I imagine two years would be really fast for a transition referral with all the political fuckery and culture war around those treatments.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Brendan Rodgers posted:

This was just my hip actually, because I'm "too young for hip problems". I imagine two years would be really fast for a transition referral with all the political fuckery and culture war around those treatments.

Double that is considered quick for a transition referral. And it can be revoked at any given time based on which wizard-based young adult fiction the referring doctor might enjoy.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
hey guys I drew a Tory



the only good capitalist

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I'm thinking about making a survival cocoon in my flat using a tent, and insulating the bottom with cardboard and the outer with old duvets, and basically spend most of my time in there. It would be cheaper to heat that tiny space than an entire flat.

My current heating is night storage heaters. I only had one of those on this past winter, and that was expensive enough. I'm not sure I'll be able to do it again this coming winter.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

fuctifino posted:

I'm thinking about making a survival cocoon in my flat using a tent, and insulating the bottom with cardboard and the outer with old duvets, and basically spend most of my time in there. It would be cheaper to heat that tiny space than an entire flat.

My current heating is night storage heaters. I only had one of those on this past winter, and that was expensive enough. I'm not sure I'll be able to do it again this coming winter.

Ugh that we're having to think like this.

I've got one of those heated pads for my back (and one for my cat) - wondering if a blanket over me and that at my back would be sufficient. I don't think they're *too* pricey on electricity. Surely less than a space heater would be.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Heated blankets are very cost efficient. My problem is if I don't properly heat my place it goes damp/mouldy.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Well, here we go again, the deserving vs the undeserving poor. How long before Hank Hill is delivering bottles of propane to surgeries?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

fuctifino posted:

I'm thinking about making a survival cocoon in my flat using a tent, and insulating the bottom with cardboard and the outer with old duvets, and basically spend most of my time in there. It would be cheaper to heat that tiny space than an entire flat.

My current heating is night storage heaters. I only had one of those on this past winter, and that was expensive enough. I'm not sure I'll be able to do it again this coming winter.

In our block of flats there are 9 storage heaters for the corridors and lobby areas. Between them, over last winter (approx 5 months) they used about 70 units PER NIGHT and it wasn't that cold last winter. With the new tariff I've just fixed for us, that means EACH storage heater - on average - will cost £3 per night or £90 per month to run.

We've a meeting in a couple of weeks on the increased electricity charges and how this will affect the service charges. I will need to convince them all that we have to be strict in our usage but also cannot leave them off entirely else the building fabric will deteriorate. I'm hoping that we might get agreement to invest in some curtains for the communal windows and those of our external doors that are not officially designated fire exits. Also leave the front entrance one off and buy a couple of blankets from a charity shop so if people are waiting in the lobby for lifts they can cover their legs.

I also recalled today "degree day tables" which the heating engineers in the NHS used to use some 30 years ago so I've also downloaded csv files from the nearest 3 weather stations for the past 3 years to triangulate on our town to see what information might be useful from those in terms of deciding when we might need to turn the heating up a bit. (I've decided weekly data is good enough for storage heaters given you have to be a bit of a fortune teller with them!)

(If any of you are involved in heating communal areas in buildings this might be of interest: https://www.degreedays.net/)


Personally, I've got a hooded poncho effort that I bought a few years ago and used for the first time this year while sitting in my living room without the heating on late spring!

Tights are also good for keeping your legs warm as I'm given to understand from various rail maintenance folk working overnight shifts in winter.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 21, 2022

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

fuctifino posted:

I'm thinking about making a survival cocoon in my flat using a tent, and insulating the bottom with cardboard and the outer with old duvets, and basically spend most of my time in there. It would be cheaper to heat that tiny space than an entire flat.

My current heating is night storage heaters. I only had one of those on this past winter, and that was expensive enough. I'm not sure I'll be able to do it again this coming winter.

A sleeping mat made for camping or an inflatable mattress would be much better than cardboard (which will compress) for heat & comfort in the cold.

Also avoid naked flames or anything with an exposed element as while comfy a cocoon is also a fire risk.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost
For folk in office jobs that pivoted to WFH during 2020, think the whole us vs them mentality where you had senior people WFH in nicely appointed studies or conservatories while others worked from a kitchen table or sitting on the edge of a bed will only be heightened when the well-paid can happily sit in a nice warm home all winter wearing a t-shirt but the workers they're on zoom calls with are wearing three jumpers and fingerless gloves just to sit in their own home. Gonna have no loving time for managers who ask why I'm wearing a jacket in my flat.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
if you want to get serious about your layers then thermal baselayers are amazing- they don't trap much heat just by themselves but they wick your body sweat so you can layer up above that comfortably to sit around and still be able to move when needed without roasting yourself instantly

only downside is they start to smell pretty drat fast

Only Kindness
Oct 12, 2016
Don't we all just love living in a wealthy first-world country.

Mourning Due
Oct 11, 2004

*~ missin u ~*
:canada:
Well, I finally feel like a real English motorist 😆

There's only street parking where we live & sometimes it's a bit tight, but never been too bad.

Today when my wife and I were clearing out the boot, heard a voice behind us, "Hey, I need to ask you a question". Turned around, saw a bloke who lives coupe doors down from us. White, short, skinny, shaved head, faded tattoos, about 50-60. "Why do you keep parking your car in front of my house?". I said I would just park anywhere there was a spot on the street, but that was I live like 4 doors down from him, that usually means parking close to our place means parking close to his. He went on a big heated rant about how we always park in front of his & never move, how other people take their cars out all the time but we just have ours "sitting taking up space", asked why I don't park on one of the (further away, less safe) other side streets or main road, etc.

I stayed calm with him, and in the end said while I'll keep parking in front of his if it's the only spot available, I'll keep it free if there's other spaces within reasonable distance. But a couple takeaways:

- our car got keyed a couple months back, I just assumed it was some lovely kids. Now that he's said he's been watching us and we always park in front of his (on an unmarked public street btw), I'm wondering: was it him? Cost £400 to replace that I'm still salty about.
- why do people always approach this stuff by starting off aggro as gently caress? Like, if he'd just said, I often need this spot for X reason, can I get your number & text you if I ever really need it: I would have been fine with that. But him flipping out about someone parking in a public space doesn't make me want to make any changes to my behaviour for him.

If anything happens again I'll tell him I filmed it & sent it to the cops, see how he reacts 😆 it's far enough away that I couldn't film, but he seems thick enough that he'd give himself away.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010
I'm very sorry commoners, but you need at least 5,000 party loyalty points to qualify for heating assistance this year. Perhaps a few of you could be lucky enough to be chosen for Lord Reese-Mogg's annual peasant shoot though, he always likes to throw a few shillings towards the newly bereaved as a season's greeting

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Jedit posted:

No, "alarming" is that Truss is going to win and Johnson actually would be better than her.

never thought i'd say it but yeah, i'll miss boris

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

In our block of flats there are 9 storage heaters for the corridors and lobby areas. Between them, over last winter (approx 5 months) they used about 70 units PER NIGHT and it wasn't that cold last winter. With the new tariff I've just fixed for us, that means EACH storage heater - on average - will cost £3 per night or £90 per month to run.

We've a meeting in a couple of weeks on the increased electricity charges and how this will affect the service charges. I will need to convince them all that we have to be strict in our usage but also cannot leave them off entirely else the building fabric will deteriorate. I'm hoping that we might get agreement to invest in some curtains for the communal windows and those of our external doors that are not officially designated fire exits. Also leave the front entrance one off and buy a couple of blankets from a charity shop so if people are waiting in the lobby for lifts they can cover their legs.

I also recalled today "degree day tables" which the heating engineers in the NHS used to use some 30 years ago so I've also downloaded csv files from the nearest 3 weather stations for the past 3 years to triangulate on our town to see what information might be useful from those in terms of deciding when we might need to turn the heating up a bit. (I've decided weekly data is good enough for storage heaters given you have to be a bit of a fortune teller with them!)

(If any of you are involved in heating communal areas in buildings this might be of interest: https://www.degreedays.net/)


Personally, I've got a hooded poncho effort that I bought a few years ago and used for the first time this year while sitting in my living room without the heating on late spring!

Tights are also good for keeping your legs warm as I'm given to understand from various rail maintenance folk working overnight shifts in winter.

i don’t know if this is something you can do or even if it’s affordable but lower power ir heaters can often do just as good a job as an area heater since they heat the whole room less than they do whatever they’re shining at (incl people)

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Z the IVth posted:

If I were a GP I'd just set a form up on the website which goes:

Registered with us?
Confirm details?
Do you have enough money not to freeze in winter?

And that generates an automatic prescription.

i worked in IT in the health service for some years and i can tell you from experience that doctors tend to be very bad on computers, op

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Mourning Due posted:

Well, I finally feel like a real English motorist 😆

There's only street parking where we live & sometimes it's a bit tight, but never been too bad.

Today when my wife and I were clearing out the boot, heard a voice behind us, "Hey, I need to ask you a question". Turned around, saw a bloke who lives coupe doors down from us. White, short, skinny, shaved head, faded tattoos, about 50-60. "Why do you keep parking your car in front of my house?". I said I would just park anywhere there was a spot on the street, but that was I live like 4 doors down from him, that usually means parking close to our place means parking close to his. He went on a big heated rant about how we always park in front of his & never move, how other people take their cars out all the time but we just have ours "sitting taking up space", asked why I don't park on one of the (further away, less safe) other side streets or main road, etc.

I stayed calm with him, and in the end said while I'll keep parking in front of his if it's the only spot available, I'll keep it free if there's other spaces within reasonable distance. But a couple takeaways:

- our car got keyed a couple months back, I just assumed it was some lovely kids. Now that he's said he's been watching us and we always park in front of his (on an unmarked public street btw), I'm wondering: was it him? Cost £400 to replace that I'm still salty about.
- why do people always approach this stuff by starting off aggro as gently caress? Like, if he'd just said, I often need this spot for X reason, can I get your number & text you if I ever really need it: I would have been fine with that. But him flipping out about someone parking in a public space doesn't make me want to make any changes to my behaviour for him.

If anything happens again I'll tell him I filmed it & sent it to the cops, see how he reacts 😆 it's far enough away that I couldn't film, but he seems thick enough that he'd give himself away.

Reminds me of my former neighbour getting insanely aggro about us leaving our bins up front (we had a tiny garden with only access being carrying the bins down 2 flights of winding stairs, with 6 bins in total because we were a large shared house).

He would do things like dump garbage next to the bins in the middle of the night or stuff our recycling bins with used nappies (funnily enough we didn't have any children while he did). Also called police on us once after having done so, but accidentally left his address on one of the pieces of garbage he stuffed in. Oh and he'd write us extremely aggro letters and called to complain to our landlord - he got the number from a maintenance guy who came around.

Just an utter unreasonable disphit. My solution was to move sadly, though he did tone it down to complaining to our landlord after the police incident.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




crispix posted:

i worked in IT in the health service for some years and i can tell you from experience that doctors tend to be very bad on computers, op

My surgery has a mandatory online thing now where you leave the doctor a message in a chat window and they eventually reply to you, you get an email that says they’ve replied and then you log in and reply back, etc.

More than once I’ve had a notification that the chat has been ended and then a phone call from a very flustered doctor to tell me that they didn’t mean to press that button and not to worry they’re still looking at it.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
I think it was in this thread that someone posted a recipe for an Extremely Chocolatey cake

Well I made it



Verdict: chocolatey

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



crispix posted:

i worked in IT in the health service for some years and i can tell you from experience that doctors tend to be very bad on computers, op

My doctor uses wiki for diagnosis :\

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I must demand the recipe for this cake please.

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