Victoria 3: the 1960 german unification play comes with a few complications

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DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

I can�t wait to listen to Queen Victoria talk at me while I wait for the game to calculate provinces. :allears:

# ? Aug 21, 2022 14:20

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# ? May 30, 2024 06:23

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

THE BAR posted:

The Chosen DLC for XCOM2 completely ruined the game for me. Keep the railroading in Vicky games, please.

This is still the only DLC I've ever bought which I then turned off, most bad DLC is just forgettable rather than actively making the core game worse

# ? Aug 21, 2022 14:39

team overhead smash: Sep 2, 2006; Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

RabidWeasel posted:

This is still the only DLC I've ever bought which I then turned off, most bad DLC is just forgettable rather than actively making the core game worse

Shocked at this. I loved that DLC and couldn�t imagine playing without it now.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 14:52

HerpicleOmnicron5: May 31, 2013; How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?

I thought they were talking about Alien Hunters at first, not the fantastic expansion pack.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 15:00

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

I,ve been reading Late Victorian Holocausts, and aside from being incredibly depressing, it makes me wonder if the big famines will happen.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 17:39

ilitarist: Apr 26, 2016; illiterate and militarist

In general Paradox doesn't like the events that just screw you over. I remember some EU4 devs explaining this when talking similar grand disasters like East African migrations or New World epidemics being really tame.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 18:22

Cease to Hope: Dec 12, 2011

ilitarist posted:

In general Paradox doesn't like the events that just screw you over. I remember some EU4 devs explaining this when talking similar grand disasters like East African migrations or New World epidemics being really tame.

it did make reaper's due completely underwhelming. not only were diseases relatively harmless, but it did not really mark a huge social upheaval, just a temporary province debuff.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:07

THE BAR: Oct 20, 2011; You know what might look better on your nose?

Cease to Hope posted:

it did make reaper's due completely underwhelming. not only were diseases relatively harmless, but it did not really mark a huge social upheaval, just a temporary province debuff.

It was there so you could get the cannibal trait easily.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:16

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

THE BAR posted:

It was less the gameplay decisions for the DLC, and more everything around it. A linear mission structure wrangled into the base game's more sandboxy design. Cutscenes with characters who would never shut the hell up, ruining the unknowable enemy that has been key to the setting since the original X-COM.

Replacing the loadout music before missions with an inferior track.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. You know what this gritty guerilla resistance against a powerful and mysterious alien empire really needs? Some loving anime villains to monologue about how the player's actions are futile.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:28

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

People care about the aliens in X-com? They are just flavorless cannon fodder last I played. Giving them something worth caring about seems like an improvement

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:32

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

Why should I care about the chosen though? They suck.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:35

feller: Jul 5, 2006

why should i care about xcom itt?

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:42

Yaoi Gagarin: Feb 20, 2014

Speaking of weird civ games no one has heard of:

This ad is on the back of the manual for Warlords

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:45

Radia: Jul 14, 2021; And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Fister Roboto posted:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. You know what this gritty guerilla resistance against a powerful and mysterious alien empire really needs? Some loving anime villains to monologue about how the player's actions are futile.

hell yes!!

# ? Aug 21, 2022 19:50

Vichan: Oct 1, 2014; I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

VostokProgram posted:

Speaking of weird civ games no one has heard of:

This ad is on the back of the manual for Warlords

Oh, I remember that one! Didn't spend that much time with it though.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 20:12

Jackie D: May 27, 2009; Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.

Fister Roboto posted:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. You know what this gritty guerilla resistance against a powerful and mysterious alien empire really needs? Some loving anime villains to monologue about how the player's actions are futile.

Correct.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 20:37

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

ilitarist posted:

In general Paradox doesn't like the events that just screw you over. I remember some EU4 devs explaining this when talking similar grand disasters like East African migrations or New World epidemics being really tame.

Famines are essentially man-made, so famine events that "just screw you over" is you choosing to be a bastard to prop up your regime and its supporters. Like, Ireland wasn't the only place in Europe hit by the potato blight, but it suffered 10x the deaths of the rest of Europe combined. Yeah, the population was more dependent on it, but Ireland produced enough food to feed itself still, and it's not like the rest of Europe wasn't far more populous.

A Potato Blight event basically shouldn't be just something that happens, but something you respond to. A Britain that prevents the famine from ever coming to pass through direct aid to the Irish would probably be seen far more favorably by the Irish, plus it'd move Britain closer toward knocking down its ancient institutions.

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 21, 2022

# ? Aug 21, 2022 20:47

Cease to Hope: Dec 12, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. You know what this gritty guerilla resistance against a powerful and mysterious alien empire really needs? Some loving anime villains to monologue about how the player's actions are futile.

i think adding scenery-chewing saturday morning cartoon villains was a good fit for xcom 2 but i don't think it would be good for victoria 3, the game this thread is about

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:07

Yaoi Gagarin: Feb 20, 2014

Cease to Hope posted:

i think adding scenery-chewing saturday morning cartoon villains was a good fit for xcom 2 but i don't think it would be good for victoria 3, the game this thread is about

There's hardly anything to feel inhuman about until release so I think people should be free to air other humanity-destroying grievances

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:11

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
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Having Lanfang in means I pretty much have to turn Indonesia into a ~~soviet~~, KONGSI utopia as my first game.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:15

Snooze Cruise: Feb 16, 2013; hey look,
a post

Cease to Hope posted:

i think adding scenery-chewing saturday morning cartoon villains was a good fit for xcom 2 but i don't think it would be good for victoria 3, the game this thread is about

the game is called victoria, i think victoria should periodically call and taunt you no matter what country you play

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:18

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Kaiser Wilheim will also taunt you in the late game but it just leaves you a bit confused and slightly annoyed

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:27

Yaoi Gagarin: Feb 20, 2014

CharlestheHammer posted:

Kaiser Wilheim will also taunt you in the late game but it just leaves you a bit confused and slightly annoyed

He will give you advice which will be out of touch, impractical, and extremely patronizing, and he'll sign off with "your dear cousin Willy"

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:33

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Him ending his taunts with your dear cousin wily no matter what government type you are would own

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:35

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

CharlestheHammer posted:

Kaiser Wilheim will also taunt you in the late game but it just leaves you a bit confused and slightly annoyed

He should rather compliment you if you build a nice navy.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:36

feller: Jul 5, 2006

VostokProgram posted:

There's hardly anything to feel inhuman about until release so I think people should be free to air other humanity-destroying grievances

specific threads for specific topics is imperialism

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:38

Ithle01: May 28, 2013

Cease to Hope posted:

i think adding scenery-chewing saturday morning cartoon villains was a good fit for xcom 2 but i don't think it would be good for victoria 3, the game this thread is about

I don't know, considering the time period it actually makes way more sense in Vicky3. Receiving death threats from Socialist Revolutionaries that are trying to overthrow my enlightened monarchy or having Lenin call me up to tell me that my defeat is inevitable feels pretty on point. Or like, literally anything with Baron Von Ungern-Sternberg.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:51

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

I'd be down for receiving a telegram telling me to turn on my Monitor (ironclad).

# ? Aug 21, 2022 21:56

feller: Jul 5, 2006

Is your monitor running? Better go catch it!

# ? Aug 21, 2022 22:00

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Late Victorian holocausts is specifically about how Capitalism and Imperialism dismantled the systems in place to alleviate famines so suddenly millions died.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 22:26

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

MonsieurChoc posted:

Late Victorian holocausts is specifically about how Capitalism and Imperialism dismantled the systems in place to alleviate famines so suddenly millions died.

That's actually simulated in the game I think, maybe a bit crudely.

When you start off there are only a few organized industries and a huge pile of "subsistence farmers." This population basically just produces what they require, so they're stable, but "unproductive" from the perspective of the player. You spend the game filling up the arable land with the particular crops that are most profitable, and you tempt all those "unproductive" masses into factories and such. The state ends up a lot more powerful, but having filled all the arable land with centralized farms, everyone's vulnerable if something goes down.

It would make sense if there were events to let you deal with this situation, but even if it was just set up so that your accepted pops get access to dwindling resources before your marginalized pops, you've dynamically simulated these horrors with regular gameplay.

Though, I'm not an expert in how these famines actually went down so there might be a lot I'm missing.

Incidentally I like the gameplay dynamic of "subsistence farmers," even if I'm not sure that's the right term to talk about everyone living their own lives without the interference of the state. I was reading one of the AARs on their discord, and there was some scenario where the folks reading the AAR were worried about discontent unemployed people, when the issue was that the people outside the factories and plantations were actually too content to be useful to the state. "Unemployment" only becomes an issue when people have shifted their lives around to be dependent on the industrial institutions that only really develop over the course of this game.

# ? Aug 21, 2022 22:52