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 This is the first 1/1 flying haste for 1 ever printed, never mind the other abilities. I think it's pretty solid. Not amazing, but it's a small amount of extra value if you can keep it coming.
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Very nice one mana cards in Dom U so far. Less excited about anything that's 3+ mana at the moment.
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Koirhor posted:Can you tell me which one is the real card? a new player is not going to buy proxies and I think it's lovely to use proxies to fool other players like you're suggesting
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Aug 21, 2022 22:47
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The Shortest Path posted:
CAW CAW MOTHERFUCKERS!
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Aug 21, 2022 22:51
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like how did we even get to that point from 'new players can just print off images on printer paper to learn the game and don't need precons.' did you just want to show off that people can fake the holographic sticker now
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HootTheOwl posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZlpTp_dJA
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like to be clear, I'm fine with proxies and I think you can do some real fun stuff w/ it like using custom art and frames. plus, as someone who is generally priced out of playing paper magic, it'd be cool to play with a deck more expensive than my net worth in real life against other people but I think there's a line where you're seeking not to play the game for cheap but to actually fool/defraud other players and I think replicating the whole thing down to the holographic sticker is well over that line. maybe that wasn't the intent when it was posted in response to me saying 'eventually new players are going to have to buy actual cards' but idk how else to treat that
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Captain Invictus posted:on the other hand, HELL YEAH SKELETON WARRIORS When was the last time Drudge Skeleton was reprinted anyway?
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flatluigi posted:like to be clear, I'm fine with proxies and I think you can do some real fun stuff w/ it like using custom art and frames. plus, as someone who is generally priced out of playing paper magic, it'd be cool to play with a deck more expensive than my net worth in real life against other people Agreed
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Can we all just, for the love of god, agree to probate literally anyone who comes in the thread to complain about Aragorn being black? Tia.
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Just to defend my posting honor, those cards are for me to play with my playgroup, I would never even think to pass them off as real or anything like that. We agreed we wanted to have modern/legacy/pioneer nights occasionally instead of just casual commander. Are other people buying these and doing some shady poo poo? Absolutely because they are shockingly good quality and I will probably buy from another vendor in the future that puts a different backing on the cards so I can’t accidentally forget whats real and whats not in my collection. But ya I mean gently caress wotc tho.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Can we all just, for the love of god, agree to probate literally anyone who comes in the thread to complain about Aragorn being black? Sure, but he's not going to be on a card for like 9 more months
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Koirhor posted:Just to defend my posting honor, those cards are for me to play with my playgroup, I would never even think to pass them off as real or anything like that. should probably mark them in some way so you don't forget
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Paul Zuvella posted:Can we all just, for the love of god, agree to probate literally anyone who comes in the thread to complain about Aragorn being black? Is this in some of the art they showed or something? Idk, I'm not a huge LotR fan but that seems fine to me?
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yeah it's fine but the usual host of shitbags mad at ~white erasure~ and other racist concepts like that are up in arms. i would've waited to bring it up in here until someone actually decided to be that sort of rear end in a top hat publicly in this thread, but w/e
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Arivia posted:Is this in some of the art they showed or something? Idk, I'm not a huge LotR fan but that seems fine to me? They posted a huge piece that will end up being split into the art of like 16 cards.
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Aphrodite posted:They posted a huge piece that will end up being split into the art of like 16 cards. Anyone got a link? The only LotR art I've seen was Gandalf and his fireworks at Bilbo's birthday party months ago.
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https://www.cbr.com/magic-the-gathering-lotr-tales-of-middle-earth-set-wizards-presents/ It's in the little 4 image gallery there.
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The Shortest Path posted:
Wait hang on. Is this card actually good? A 1 drop pretty much guaranteed to get in for 2-3, not a total blank once the ground gets gummed up, comes back from the dead on an alpha strike when you're out of gas.
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humor me, what's wrong with printing proxies that are as close to the real thing as possible. Take it as a given that you're intentionally not passing them off as the real thing for the purpose of selling/trading them. is there a scenario where it's morally (ignore legally) objectionable. the reason I ask is that I have a deep moral objection to proxy limits in tournaments. If it weren't illegal to do so, I don't see any reason why I should respect the wishes of gatekeeping organizers. the person with the most skill should win, not the most money.
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kalel posted:humor me, what's wrong with printing proxies that are as close to the real thing as possible. Take it as a given that you're intentionally not passing them off as the real thing for the purpose of selling/trading them. is there a scenario where it's morally (ignore legally) objectionable. The part you're taking as a given isn't
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Huxley posted:Wait hang on. Is this card actually good? A 1 drop pretty much guaranteed to get in for 2-3, not a total blank once the ground gets gummed up, comes back from the dead on an alpha strike when you're out of gas. Yeah I kinda think so. A version of 8-whack that doesn't go all-in on goblins for 12-whack and plays cards like this instead would be fun to try out.
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kalel posted:humor me, what's wrong with printing proxies that are as close to the real thing as possible. Take it as a given that you're intentionally not passing them off as the real thing for the purpose of selling/trading them. is there a scenario where it's morally (ignore legally) objectionable. What's wrong with having "proxy" down with the artist credit? People already sell fakes so why not add something to the card to ensure that it will never be passed off as one?
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Huxley posted:Wait hang on. Is this card actually good? A 1 drop pretty much guaranteed to get in for 2-3, not a total blank once the ground gets gummed up, comes back from the dead on an alpha strike when you're out of gas. I definitely think it could see play in standard. Kumano Faces Kakkazan is another good 1-drop for that pairs well with this, maybe RDW will be back in nustandard
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kalel posted:humor me, what's wrong with printing proxies that are as close to the real thing as possible. Take it as a given that you're intentionally not passing them off as the real thing for the purpose of selling/trading them. is there a scenario where it's morally (ignore legally) objectionable. I wholeheartedly agree with this, and would like to go further and suggest that Wizards/Hasbro deserves it due to the terrible anti-consumer business decisions they've been making for the past half decade or so. If they are going to make a trivially easily-produced product artificially scarce and keep doubling down on milking their consumers then there is no reason in the world why alternative suppliers shouldn't step up to do what they will not. This applies to a lot more important industries than trading cards but I don't want to go wildly off topic.
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It's OK to talk about proxies here. Like as a generic topic it's not totally off-limits. It's not OK to point to or describe or tell people how to get proxies that closely resemble the real thing. Also please don't expect mods to research sites you link to or talk about to see if what they're selling is or is not close to the real thing, because we won't bother, that's not our job really. The mods do not actually give one poo poo about ripping off wizards of the coast. What we do care about is protecting jeffrey of yospos from having to deal with C&D letters or whatever, and he told us to keep that poo poo off his forums, so that's what we're doing. If you don't like it, talk to him I guess. If you want to discuss the ethics of creating things that could be passed off as the real thing, I guess you can, but I'm gonna ask you to please not call anyone who thinks making copies is bad or even violating copyright is bad a filthy liberal and imply they suck the dick of capitalism or whatever. That poo poo can stay in c-spam where it belongs. I'm not sure there's any more to be said beyond that, though. The consensus in this thread has never been people whining that fakes devalue their real card investments so if you're looking to pick that fight with someone, you'll be disappointed. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Aug 22, 2022 |
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The Shortest Path posted:I wholeheartedly agree with this, and would like to go further and suggest that Wizards/Hasbro deserves it due to the terrible anti-consumer business decisions they've been making for the past half decade or so. If they are going to make a trivially easily-produced product artificially scarce and keep doubling down on milking their consumers then there is no reason in the world why alternative suppliers shouldn't step up to do what they will not. magic the gathering is a non-essential leisure product; jumping through hoops to say wizards deserves it for pricing said product highly is a bit much edit: had the thread open for a while and didn't see the mod post, sorry
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the only purpose of having a proxy that is indistinguishable from the real thing is to either use it in a sanctioned event or defraud a trading partner. One is morally neutral while the other is clearly wrong. The latter, to me, is not worth the risk to allow the former
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A big flaming stink posted:the only purpose of having a proxy that is indistinguishable from the real thing is to either use it in a sanctioned event or defraud a trading partner. One is morally neutral while the other is clearly wrong. The latter, to me, is not worth the risk to allow the former Woah woah I’m defrauding myself  I will say that the fact that these are getting so good combined with the fiasco over amazon booster boxes supposedly being repacked and returned, poo poo I mean wotc gonna have a legit crisis on their hands probably
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I shop in googley eyes on any cards I print.
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kalel posted:humor me, what's wrong with printing proxies that are as close to the real thing as possible. Take it as a given that you're intentionally not passing them off as the real thing for the purpose of selling/trading them. is there a scenario where it's morally (ignore legally) objectionable. You can't set as your premise that the reason why people don't abide counterfeits doesn't exist if you want a real answer You might as well ask "take it as a given that tech companies aren't going to brazenly sell your data, what's wrong with giving Facebook, Google, etc all your info for enhanced services?"
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so we shouldn't have things because people might misuse them? welp time to turn off all the power plants and go back to the caves
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kalel posted:so we shouldn't have things because people might misuse them? welp time to turn off all the power plants and go back to the caves that's extremely disingenuous the only reason to make proxies that are unmarked and indistinguishable from genuine cards is to have them indistinguishable from genuine cards, and the only reason to have them indistinguishable from genuine cards is to mislead others that they're real. every other reason to use proxies can be done the exact same way with a card marked as a proxy (either obviously like custom art or with something unobtrusive in the bottom border), and doing such removes the possibly of intentionally or unintentionally defrauding other players in the future
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I learned about the Minsc and Boo plainswalker today watching a legacy match at SCG baltimore. That is a hosed up magic the gathering card.
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mcmagic posted:I learned about the Minsc and Boo plainswalker today watching a legacy match at SCG baltimore. That is a hosed up magic the gathering card. Not available on mtgo
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kalel posted:so we shouldn't have things because people might misuse them? welp time to turn off all the power plants and go back to the caves Well yes if you're going down this path, generally speaking we weigh the pros and cons of things and decide whether it's best for us to have them freely available. That is what gun laws are, for example.
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HootTheOwl posted:Not available on mtgo what is mtgo?
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mcmagic posted:what is mtgo? modo
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