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Elviscat posted:The Red looks great, and the Grabber blue is pretty awesome IMO I never in a million years thought I would buy a red car but the Mach-E red is really textured and deep, very rich in person. The color is available on regular Mustangs, however, it is not the red that you will typically see, it's more a candy apple red with a lacquered look than red paint. That said, more colors would have been better for sure, the overall selection is pretty much meh, interior color options bother me more though, they really should have offered a brown interior.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Umm....not engaging in dangerous behaviour is actually all about driver skill. Part of advanced driver training is about situational awareness about dangerous behavior and that is a skill sorely lacking with almost every one of the thousands of people I taught. And it can be as simple as where is your focus when you are in traffic going the speed limit on the freeway, Imean hey thats not driving dangerously is it? The bumper ahead of you or 5 cars ahead as well? Well.. no, Because if you are focusing on the bumper ahead you are in fact not skilled and being dangerous because you are going to miss the taillights come on 5 cars ahead and lose the 2 or 3 seconds warning looking ahead gives. Thats what driver skill is actually about, not just wether you can threshold brake to try to avoid the accident you failed to see coming. All of this assumes a driver who is attentive and interested in driving safely which doesn’t really seem to be born out by data. At least one a speeding, alcohol, or not wearing a seatbelt was a factor in 45% of the fatal crashes in the US in 2020. Add in distracted driving and you’re above 50% before you even account for other reckless or careless behavior. IIHS data for 2016-2017 found that men were 63% more likely to involved in a fatal crash than women, normalized by miles traveled, but the difference was overwhelmingly concentrated in the 16-29 age brackets, after which men were only slightly more likely to be involved in a fatal crash. Boys and girls receive the same exact drivers education so it’s not a teaching or driving skill issue. It’s just that men, especially young men, often act like complete assholes on the road with no concern for their own safety or the safety of others. Can you take someone who is already trying to be a safe driver and make safer by teaching them how to drive defensively? Yea, sure, but those people aren’t the ones causing most accidents so you’re only going to see marginal improvements. It’s like the argument you hear in the US sometimes that the answer to our insanely high gun death toll is gun safety classes. Teaching people who are going to be around guns to operate them safely is probably a good idea but our gun death numbers aren’t driven by well intentioned people making mistakes due to improper training, they’re driven by people who want to kill someone else or themselves.
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I don't understand your argument, countries with better driver training standards than the US have safer roads, by literally every possible metric, and they have young idiot men driving too. You seem to be saying there's no point in better educating drivers because they'll still text/drink/speed etc, which is just not borne out by facts and statistics, there's a direct correlation between education and traffic safety.Three Olives posted:I never in a million years thought I would buy a red car but the Mach-E red is really textured and deep, very rich in person. The color is available on regular Mustangs, however, it is not the red that you will typically see, it's more a candy apple red with a lacquered look than red paint. Yeah, the red and grabber blue are the only colors that really appeal to me, I like that out of 10 colors for the 2021MY 2 were grays and 2 were whites, plus black, silver, and a really underwhelming dark blue. That kinda sucks and the OG Mustang has a much wider range of choices.
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BYD has revealed the Australian service schedule for the Atto 3 Kinda pricey especially if you don't drive close to 20,000km per year
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Beffer posted:Speaking as someone who has kids getting their licence, the change in student driver requirements in Australia make an enormous difference to how well they drive. When i got my licence over 30 years ago i had had about 4 lessons and maybe driven 10 times. Today my kids had to do 120 hours before they could go for their test. You get bonuses for doing advanced driver safety courses, and also for driving 10 hours with a qualified instructor. The US equivalent is a ~20 minute driving exam that ensures they can probably operate at low speeds in a suburban parking lot environment without literally tearing the fenders off on every single bollard or parked car, successful completion of which allows them to legally drive anything that weighs less than 26,000lbs (~11,800kg,) anywhere on public roads, including highways. It is absolutely ludicrous.
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Elviscat posted:I don't understand your argument, countries with better driver training standards than the US have safer roads, by literally every possible metric, and they have young idiot men driving too. You seem to be saying there's no point in better educating drivers because they'll still text/drink/speed etc, which is just not borne out by facts and statistics, there's a direct correlation between education and traffic safety. 'No way to prevent this', says only nation where this regularly happens.
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MrYenko posted:The US equivalent is a ~20 minute driving exam that ensures they can probably operate at low speeds in a suburban parking lot environment without literally tearing the fenders off on every single bollard or parked car, successful completion of which allows them to legally drive anything that weighs less than 26,000lbs (~11,800kg,) anywhere on public roads, including highways. I don’t think this is true in all states. We had to do the stupid test as described, but also had to do 40 hours of driving, 8 hours with a qualified instructor, and I think 8 hours at night. This was in Vermont in the early 2000s. The driving log was of course falsifiable other than the qualified instructor part, but I’m not sure there’s a decent way to prevent that.
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Shower thoughts reality check: There is no reason to buy a 2021 Bolt. It won't get any rebate this year or next. There are dozens of dealerships with new 2021 Bolts. Is it insane to think I could find a dealership who'd let me drive one off for ~< $20k cash? A Premier, hopefully.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I don’t think this is true in all states. We had to do the stupid test as described, but also had to do 40 hours of driving, 8 hours with a qualified instructor, and I think 8 hours at night. This was in Vermont in the early 2000s. The driving log was of course falsifiable other than the qualified instructor part, but I’m not sure there’s a decent way to prevent that. Most countries I'm aware of will do the test and the mandatory hours in clear driving conditions and will move the dates if the weather is adverse. Only a few northern Europe countries will do teaching and test driving skills for heavy rain/ice. Given how easy you could end up suddenly in a monsoon or an ice storm in a lot of countries nowadays, teaching kids how to deal with poo poo weather should be enforced in driving licenses syllabus. Another thing that should be teached is to expect every other driver to be an unattentive idiot, so you don't get splatted by a truck the size of an IFV but that would require effort. Bolting on the equivalent of a defensive driving course would make the testing cut 50% of the potential drivers or worse. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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UK motorcycle license training and test were significantly about defensive driving, with quite a lot of emphasis on observation and planning. Same with my truck license. Obviously very different and more specialised licenses but it's not that you can't train and test good driving, just that it's not done for whatever reason in lots of places.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I don’t think this is true in all states. We had to do the stupid test as described, but also had to do 40 hours of driving, 8 hours with a qualified instructor, and I think 8 hours at night. This was in Vermont in the early 2000s. The driving log was of course falsifiable other than the qualified instructor part, but I’m not sure there’s a decent way to prevent that. Similar in Virginia, with about a month of classroom instruction on top of that. My instructor time also covered highway driving.
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SlowBloke posted:Most countries I'm aware of will do the test and the mandatory hours in clear driving conditions and will move the dates if the weather is adverse. Only a few northern Europe countries will do teaching and test driving skills for heavy rain/ice. Given how easy you could end up suddenly in a monsoon or an ice storm in a lot of countries nowadays, teaching kids how to deal with poo poo weather should be enforced in driving licenses syllabus. we were certainly taught to drive defensively in our driver's education class and through practical instruction but poo poo just does not necessarily stick in 15 year olds brains judging by the number of kids who got in car accidents doing stupid poo poo
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Step one, fix centuries of cultural toxic american male entitlement Step two, mandate physical hvac buttons
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When were touchscreen interfaces brought into the sci-fi aesthetic? Is it Stanley Kubrik's fault I have to jab at a screen to turn on the demist setting? Goddamn it Stanley
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Normal Barbarian posted:Shower thoughts reality check: If you find a used one it should qualify for the $4k credit I think.
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knox_harrington posted:When were touchscreen interfaces brought into the sci-fi aesthetic? Is it Stanley Kubrik's fault I have to jab at a screen to turn on the demist setting? I would guess it was more of a minority report/irobot thing, kubrick was still all in on buttons. edit Tom Guycot posted:Star Trek TNG i'd say. Configurable touch screen displays everywhere the eye could see. They even flew their god drat shuttles tapping at their consoles like flappy bird... SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Star Trek TNG i'd say. Configurable touch screen displays everywhere the eye could see. They even flew their god drat shuttles tapping at their consoles like flappy bird...
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Normal Barbarian posted:Shower thoughts reality check: For an anecdotal data point, I bought a 2021 bolt in April of 2021 for $19k, but that included a $2k CA rebate and ~$3500 trade-in. You might be in the ballpark? It's an LT with all the safety features though, not a premier. Most importantly though, it's blue: https://imgur.com/a/OU1Zi5b edit: do imgur embeds not work anymore? Walrusmaster fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Infinotize posted:Step one, fix centuries of cultural toxic american male entitlement 
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I started driving in the US only about a year ago and I’ve been scared shitless by the sheer number of people I see texting while driving. It’s some kind of epidemic and I basically just drive with the assumption that no one else is paying any attention to the road.
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Elviscat posted:I don't understand your argument, countries with better driver training standards than the US have safer roads, by literally every possible metric, and they have young idiot men driving too. You seem to be saying there's no point in better educating drivers because they'll still text/drink/speed etc, which is just not borne out by facts and statistics, there's a direct correlation between education and traffic safety. America is a uniquely stupid country in a lot of ways. Car culture here is simply different than in Western Europe, which is pretty much the only place that has safer roads (and Canada/Australia). The lack of public transit options and heavy suburbanization mean that people absolutely have to have a car if they want to work, and the lack of any real social safety net means everyone has to work. Meanwhile roads are poorly maintained, there are precious few protections for pedestrians or cyclists who make up more than 30% of traffic fatalities, and on a state by state basis DUI laws can be incredibly lax allowing people to keep driving no matter how many times they get caught driving drunk. And people drive drunk a loving lot because they live in the suburbs and have to take the car to get to their favorite bar. There’s a billion reasons why American roads suck and additional driver training (which, as mentioned, already happens to a larger degree than people seem to think) is hardly a magic bullet. bad_fmr posted:'No way to prevent this', says only nation where this regularly happens. There are a lot of countries where the roads are much less safe than the US. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Vegetable posted:I started driving in the US only about a year ago and I’ve been scared shitless by the sheer number of people I see texting while driving. It’s some kind of epidemic and I basically just drive with the assumption that no one else is paying any attention to the road. That's always a good assumption. Driving like everyone else on the road is a maniac about to kill you will help you stay out of a lot of potentially dangerous situations.
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Deteriorata posted:That's always a good assumption. Driving like everyone else on the road is a maniac about to kill you will help you stay out of a lot of potentially dangerous situations. This is the most critical skill you learn in a motorcycle course and from other riders who have been riding safely for a while. One benefit motorcycles have over cars is significantly better visibility so you learn pretty quickly to look at the drivers, not just the cars, and put distance between the ones who clearly aren’t paying attention.
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I just saw a motorbike that looks just like the one in the beginning of Death Stranding with the two front wheels, dunno if it was EV but man, that was pretty wild. Did not know that was a real thing!
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priznat posted:I just saw a motorbike that looks just like the one in the beginning of Death Stranding with the two front wheels, dunno if it was EV but man, that was pretty wild. Did not know that was a real thing! It's likely the yamaha niken.
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SlowBloke posted:It's likely the yamaha niken. Nice, that looks like it. Didn’t have any idea that was a thing! Not EV though. However this hydrofoil I just saw in the news that uses Polestar battery tech is and drat, that’d be pretty sweet: https://newatlas.com/marine/polestar-candela-battery-supply-partnership/
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Deteriorata posted:That's always a good assumption. Driving like everyone else on the road is a maniac about to kill you will help you stay out of a lot of potentially dangerous situations. "Look at every car you can see, and figure out the dumbest thing each of them could do in the next ten seconds. Assume they're all going to do that thing, and be prepared for it." This philosophy has helped me avoid countless accidents, and has potentially saved my life once or twice. Don't assume the delivery truck is going to stop at the stop sign. Assume the Audi* ahead to my left is going to suddenly execute a four-lane crossover in the span of 50 feet to make an exit. Assume the minivan in front of me is going to slam on their brakes for no reason. * It's always a loving Audi.
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This report has a lot of interesting information about auto fatalities in the US: https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state Notable facts: - Measured by miles traveled you are about 3 times as likely to die in a crash in South Carolina as Massachusetts - Measured per capita you are about 5 times more likely to die in a crash in Mississippi than Massachusetts - 55% of motor vehicle crash deaths occurred in single car accidents - Alcohol impairment was a factor in about 30% of crashes where that data is collected. - At least 46% of fatally injured occupants were not wearing seat belts. Basically American drivers are often drunk, don’t take basic safety precautions, and regularly run into things that aren’t other cars. Driving in the south is basically like Death Race. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:
Of the out of state license plates I see, Texas and Louisiana are loving rear end in a top hat drivers (at least in my state). Granted they're mostly probably oil field employees which is an automatic major rear end in a top hat driver criteria.
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Driving to meet my extended family outside the state requires me to pass near Aviano, so if i see the weird imports with non-standard plates, I need to give them about a car and change of space cause those troops drive like loving maniacs. One troop did squish a kid on a bicycle recently while on a 5x BAC limit.
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wandler20 posted:Of the out of state license plates I see, Texas and Louisiana are loving rear end in a top hat drivers (at least in my state). Granted they're mostly probably oil field employees which is an automatic major rear end in a top hat driver criteria. Louisiana drivers loving suck in the state too. When I rent a car while visiting family down there it’s always a huge adjustment after spending most of my time dealing with fairly passive Portland drivers. I get on I-10 and I’m immediately greeted with a stream of assholes going 20mph faster than the flow of traffic, weaving in and out of lanes, tailgating, never signaling and half the time their brake lights don’t even loving work. It’s noticeable enough that my wife commented on it almost immediately on her first trip with me. That and the endless string of billboards on I-10 between New Orleans and Baton Route advertising DUI attorneys.
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bird with big dick posted:Braking should be done by stomping your feet, acceleration should be done by thrusting your pelvis. Sometimes I feel like you're the only one in this thread who really understands me, bird with big dick.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Driving in the south is basically like Death Race. This is an important thing to keep in mind for anyone comparing a single country in western Europe to the entire United States, for any reason. Significant portions of the US are akin to developing countries in some ways.
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cruft posted:Sometimes I feel like you're the only one in this thread who really understands me, bird with big dick. I thought you two were the same person
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knox_harrington posted:When were touchscreen interfaces brought into the sci-fi aesthetic? Is it Stanley Kubrik's fault I have to jab at a screen to turn on the demist setting? When I test drove the i4, I couldn't be arsed trying to find the HVAC controls on the UI; stating "Hey BMW, please make it colder" was sufficient. Would prefer physical buttons/knobs, but hey ho.
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Tom Guycot posted:Star Trek TNG i'd say. Configurable touch screen displays everywhere the eye could see. They even flew their god drat shuttles tapping at their consoles like flappy bird... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lMHAZwR-BdQ
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darnon posted:If you find a used one it should qualify for the $4k credit I think. I will (most likely) be making too much for that, alas. Wow betide me. Walrusmaster posted:For an anecdotal data point, I bought a 2021 bolt in April of 2021 for $19k, but that included a $2k CA rebate and ~$3500 trade-in. You might be in the ballpark? Oh cool, do you miss any of the features you'd have gotten with the Premier, specifically the surround-view cameras? Did it take any effort/stress to get that price? Also, yes. Blue car supremacy. That's a pretty blue, too, though I've started coming around in the garish Oasis Blue, too.
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