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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

Dropping Kwame Nkruma on redditors is a powerful flex. I have enough trouble just trying to get people to read Fanon.

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I kind of laughed when i read that story of an Indian not trusting a Chinese story at all.

I think it has to do with Chinese media/governmental accounts has different ways of leak out the actually bad news and bad stat and its very alien to people outside of Mainland. For example, its common to Hong Kongers or Taiwanese not understanding how to read the mainland news and just pick out the rumor or made up stuff from Falun Gong.

I give you an example of a bad news that the local Chinese government actually considered really bad. The Henan flash flood from last year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Henan_floods

The death number took a long time to come out. That's when you know the things looked bad and people speculated that there were unaccounted for bodies that the city gave them to the surrounding towns to report. You would think its was a weird thing for the local government officials to freak out over, given it was a freak act of nature. But this is not how the civilians inside China think. Because the government is supposed to have control over disaster. The government is supposed to know how to deal with mother nature. And in this sudden disaster the government completely lost control for the first day. This is when the state censoring mechanism ran on full speed to make sure people don't talk about it too much online.

There are other examples, like that news of a few women got beat up inside a restaurant in Tanshan. You would think how is this accident even news, but no, I assume you it was mega news inside China.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Dropping Kwame Nkruma on redditors is a powerful flex. I have enough trouble just trying to get people to read Fanon.

Their loss, Fanon is fantastic. Black Skin, White Masks is one of my favorite books.

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006

In Training posted:

It's such an insane tactic too bc you can just like. Watch vlogs from China. Fuckoads of them every day on YouTube and twitch.
chinese people in china freak out if they think they have covid, the idea that anyone could possibly imagine covering up uncontrolled spread is nuts. there would be wild panic. i was gonna say insane panic but actually it would be calamitous to sink to the level of the barbarians and any panic would be rational

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Frosted Flake posted:

Probably at the same time as redscarepod and stupidpol, yeah.

i wouldn't describe the redscare subreddit as 'wholesome'

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Frosted Flake posted:

Probably at the same time as redscarepod and stupidpol, yeah.

come on buddy

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Their loss, Fanon is fantastic. Black Skin, White Masks is one of my favorite books.

It cured me of liberalism.

stephenthinkpad posted:

I think it has to do with Chinese media/governmental accounts has different ways of leak out the actually bad news and bad stat and its very alien to people outside of Mainland. For example, its common to Hong Kongers or Taiwanese not understanding how to read the mainland news and just pick out the rumor or made up stuff from Falun Gong.

I think it's as simple as, any government in the world will lie about anything for their own reasons but we're propagandized to think state enemies are particularly nefarious. China is only seen as particularly inscrutable because their spin is always under an extraordinary amount of scrutiny. If they were as threatening as, say Jamaica, then hardly anyone would care.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

tristeham posted:

i wouldn't describe the redscare subreddit as 'wholesome'

Its only crimes are being pro Anna and pro ana.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

What's so crazy is even if you believe that North Korea is an authoritarian dystopia, that makes it the perfect place to enforce strict Covid protocols.

Really drives home how inconsistent the liberals are.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It cured me of liberalism.

I think it's as simple as, any government in the world will lie about anything for their own reasons but we're propagandized to think state enemies are particularly nefarious. China is only seen as particularly inscrutable because their spin is always under an extraordinary amount of scrutiny. If they were as threatening as, say Jamaica, then hardly anyone would care.

Kind of, but you have to explain why the third party media like Aljazeera or CNA tend to side with the western narrative though.

Chinese media is more opaque and ...layered.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/ShingetsuNews/status/1561936644600504320?s=20&t=hPlgJ5Q-46vKnHH_AWREbQ

Posting another tweet about the Abe thing because I appreciate the graphic design work here

is this twin peaks season 4

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

I kind of laughed when i read that story of an Indian not trusting a Chinese story at all.

I think it has to do with Chinese media/governmental accounts has different ways of leak out the actually bad news and bad stat and its very alien to people outside of Mainland.

It has more to do with the BJP essentially having constructed an alternate reality through the magic of whatsapp forwards

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/SGMWorldnews/status/1561868558396964864?s=20&t=IGPLE-ihHXvwGScn_mQUzA

Lmao just yelled at the Brits until they committed to spending billions of dollars tearing down already installed equipment

lmao this is insane. propping up our network equipment companies by threatening them AND making them think that our poo poo isnt horribly compromised so the FBI/CIA/NSA can just backdoor in themselves

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Cao Ni Ma posted:

lmao this is insane. propping up our network equipment companies by threatening them AND making them think that our poo poo isnt horribly compromised so the FBI/CIA/NSA can just backdoor in themselves

Only one of the US telecoms tried to resist the co-opting of their network to install NSA backdoors and the CEO was sent off to jail on some manufactured crimes for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

The entire american telecom industry is just semi-state controlled apparatus now, if you even think about pushing back or asking questions you get fired.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Cao Ni Ma posted:

lmao this is insane. propping up our network equipment companies by threatening them AND making them think that our poo poo isnt horribly compromised so the FBI/CIA/NSA can just backdoor in themselves

the US also got Canada to arrest a Huawei exec before thee pandemic which led to a major diplomatic incident involving some canadian citizens and the US just refused to help us out lmao

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Pryor on Fire posted:

The entire american telecom industry is just semi-state controlled apparatus now

always has been lol

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Dreylad posted:

the US also got Canada to arrest a Huawei exec before thee pandemic which led to a major diplomatic incident involving some canadian citizens and the US just refused to help us out lmao

I assume there was some backroom deals going on.

It was pretty much part of the general attack on Huawei from the rules-based world order with the sanctions and probably some other poo poo.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

mila kunis posted:

It has more to do with the BJP essentially having constructed an alternate reality through the magic of whatsapp forwards

Yep. Incredibly targeted propaganda. Everyone knows that a collapse in society is coming but you check your phone and think that everything might just be fine even as prices increase, services decline and become more privatized.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Nancy's attempts to plunge the USA into nuclear hellfire have failed and because of it her husband had to plead guilty to a DUI

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Lostconfused posted:

I assume there was some backroom deals going on.

It was pretty much part of the general attack on Huawei from the rules-based world order with the sanctions and probably some other poo poo.

china knew our weakness: our precious supplies of Michaels

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


are there any decent english-language sources for malaysia news/analysis?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I packed up my Huawei P40 last year and was going to sell it.

But i cracked my realme phone screen recently so I dig it back up and use it as my 2nd phone. The one inch camera is still top tier.

It's interesting to see how Huawei figuring out different ways to get around the google ban. Last year, their solution was offer a default search bar that let you search the 3rd party apk sites and install the apps apk yourself. Most google app work but the login didn't working.

This year, they you install a virtualization layer called gspace. You can run all google apps and download the play store apps seamlessly with working login. All my youtube and gmap bookmarks work. Only penalty is the app launch takes 1 second longer and the play store doesn't seem to remember your paid history. Of course Huawei doesn't tell you who make the vm machine and officially you can't install gspace if you are in the US.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Pryor on Fire posted:

Only one of the US telecoms tried to resist the co-opting of their network to install NSA backdoors and the CEO was sent off to jail on some manufactured crimes for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

The entire american telecom industry is just semi-state controlled apparatus now, if you even think about pushing back or asking questions you get fired.

He was convicted of 19 counts of insider trading in Qwest stock on April 19, 2007[2] – charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001.[3] This defense was not admissible in court because the U.S. Department of Justice filed an in limine motion,[4] which is often used in national security cases, to exclude information which may reveal state secrets. Information from the Classified Information Procedures Act hearings in Nacchio's case was likewise ruled inadmissible.[5]

lol neat trick there

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

He was convicted of 19 counts of insider trading in Qwest stock on April 19, 2007[2] – charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001.[3] This defense was not admissible in court because the U.S. Department of Justice filed an in limine motion,[4] which is often used in national security cases, to exclude information which may reveal state secrets. Information from the Classified Information Procedures Act hearings in Nacchio's case was likewise ruled inadmissible.[5]

lol neat trick there

the judge for his case:

Although Nottingham's talent as a jurist was never in serious dispute, the consistency of his work and his judicial temperament were matters of widespread concern.
...
In August 2007 a complaint of judicial misconduct was filed against him with the Tenth Circuit and an investigation started that included two hearings over the course of a year; the complaint concerned allegations that he had spent thousands of dollars at a strip club.[13][14] Over the course of the year he was also named as a figure in an investigation into a prostitution ring, in which a prostitute said that he had asked her to mislead investigators.[15][16] He resigned from the bench on October 21, 2008,[15] and the misconduct charges were dismissed, as he was no longer a judge.[17]

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/wv04b9/ama_the_chinese_social_imperialists_are_building/

Some guy on the TrueAnon subreddit (yes I know it's reddit) did an ama about Chinese development in Ghana.

quote:

I have actually met with some younger, more enthusiastic party members in the capital. It was a luncheon for those who shared a common ideology. Anyway, this new generation of party members is different from the sclerotic old bureaucrats of the Deng era. Xi Jinping casts a long shadow, and newer cadres of party members genuinely seem more ideologically motivated and far less corrupt than the first wave that came in the 90s. Many see the modernization of Africa as essential to bringing about world socialism, or at least protecting Chinese socialism, if we are being purely cynical. They see it as their sacred duty to the revolution, and their homeland to bring about development and industrialization in Africa, which Marxist theory teaches us will lead to socialism in Africa.

this is cool and lines up with my experience, younger people tend to be a lot more ideological and have genuine commitments though of course there are still people who've drunk the liberalism kool-aid

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007
Deng proven correct once again.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
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China's usa speed run

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

R. Guyovich posted:

this is cool and lines up with my experience, younger people tend to be a lot more ideological and have genuine commitments though of course there are still people who've drunk the liberalism kool-aid

Partial development of African states in close cooperation with China serves the same function that industrializing the ROK did for the Japanese. China needs African laborers to take on the burden of industrial labors which will free up the Chinese economy to pursue higher value capital goods. You can argue over whether that's cynical or ideological, but the real world consequence is an industrializing Africa which can get on a path towards poverty reduction if not elimination.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


https://twitter.com/Devon_OnEarth/status/1561985212841689089?t=2yGsBlJkoPFoJQ9jSWbnNg&s=19

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Weird

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/PunjabiMarxist/status/1562098374681284609

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

China's usa speed run
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did you hear their real estate market is collapsing and with it their entire economy?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

R. Guyovich posted:

this is cool and lines up with my experience, younger people tend to be a lot more ideological and have genuine commitments though of course there are still people who've drunk the liberalism kool-aid
also from that

quote:

While there are certainly Chinese business men who come here to plunder, as do men from all EU nations, China is unique in that they actually arrested a bunch of people when we complained to them about galampsey(illegal gold mining). No EU nation did this, although Ghana's complaints about this issue were sent out universally. China is building steel mills, aluminum plants, hospitals, and schools. The EU is building car only speedways in high end areas, shopping malls, luxury car factories, and chocolate processing mills.

While on paper, both of those categories can be profitable endeavors, the Chinese ones are really the only ones that pay themselves back year on year, and also help build a domestic economic base that improves the lives of Ghanaian workers. An economy that depends on Europe buying chocolate can still be controlled by Europe. A nation that makes its own steel and power is much more resistant to economic pressures from foreign powers.

Furthermore, China remembers the lash of the conqueror. I personally don't believe they are insane enough to think they are capable of "taking over the world" in America's stead. I think China realizes you can dethrone and kill God, without trying to become God afterwards. The world is just moving into the next epoch of human history. Just as bourgeois democracy washed away the old feudal system in Europe, socialism and planned economies will wash away the current order. From scattered partisan strongholds in the mountains, Mao Zedong truly did light the sparks that will burn away the old world and give birth to the future. And call me nostalgic, but Kwame Nkruma was ultimately overthrown because he got together with Mao, recognized red China, and started seeding Maoist insurgencies all across Africa. So there are some specific Ghana/China historical ties here that go back to the beginning.

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I mean they really are following in the footsteps of the old Soviet tech we used to get. I remember T-34s with no turrets just being used as farm vehicles until, well now probably, they're still probably in use up North. But for example, I have a Toyota, but its a Frankenstein car with a Chinese diesel engine in it. Basically if anything falls off the engine I just reattach it with chicken wire or electrical tape. You can put mud in the radiator of a Chinese truck and then drive it across the desert, it'll be back to new after a quick flush. I know this because when I bought my car some shithead had very clearly filled the radiator with muddy puddle water, somewhere along its over land trek from Egypt to Ghana. And I've seen Chinese vehicles coming in from Burkina Faso with holes shot in them, they're fine too. You used to see a lot of old European trucks, from West and Eastern blocs, but then the Eastern bloc collapsed, and European motor companies started purpose building vehicles to poo poo the bed after a few years, and needs lots of in house (proprietary) maintenance. For a while it was all Toyota and Indian brands, but now it is a pretty even split between Chinese, Korean, and Indian heavy vehicles on the road. A lot of people also drive American or European personal cars, but frankly a lot of those are just stolen overseas and come in through Togo free port.

I'm pretty sure the first Chinese businessman who tried to patent "planned obsolescence" was shot on site after a quick party tribunal, so for the foreseeable future I think Chinese trucks and equipment will be king. As for the other stuff, there's no OSHA here so it's really hard to gauge. Honestly I would think a Chinese construction site is probably safer, but a lot of people end up squished no matter where you work. Sadly the growing pains of an industrializing nation, hopefully my children will not have to see as much of it. The generation before me was subsistence farmers who brought about independence and the revolution, hopefully my children will be the first generation to only know moderate prosperity, the Chinese dream.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 04:10 on Aug 24, 2022

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

anarchists getting ideas again

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


never underestimate the Japanese capacity to hate Koreans

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

What's interesting is this minimal security prison, it's a different word in Taiwan (外役监), it's a lot more lax than the US "minimal security prison". There is no wall. It's basically a farm you work on. You rest in the weekends and you get to go home during national holidays. You just have to come back to the prison after the vacation. What other countries have super chill prison like this?

this basically sounds like the xinjiang prisons lol

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


Why is Antonio Inoki in the background?! :confused:

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Good to see Tata motor's dumb rear end managing to compete.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

that ghana thread is fantastic

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